
The Abstract
Savvy and strong legal leadership is only becoming more critical in a complex world.On The Abstract, we'll be interviewing leading legal executives about how they’ve nurtured their careers, grown in their roles, and become true operators within their businesses. At some points, we’ll deal with the pressure of leadership.We care deeply about helping in-house counsel grow alongside each other. Join us for insightful and interesting conversations with legal leaders.
Latest episodes

Nov 14, 2024 • 51min
Ep 66: Tennis & Media Law with Peter Steckelman, SVP, Tennis Channel
What lessons from tennis can you apply to your day-to-day life? How do you build a career as a dealmaker working with high-profile talent? How has the entertainment industry, and what it needs from its lawyers, changed over the years?Join Peter Steckelman, Senior Vice President of Business and Legal Affairs at the Tennis Channel, as he shares stories from his uniquely wide-ranging career in entertainment law, including working in-house work at Disney, Fox Entertainment, Warner Brothers, Mattel, and Konami.Listen as Peter serves up stories about his lifelong love for tennis, negotiating with celebrity athletes, and the joys of working in film, television, video games, streaming, and more.Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-66Topics:Introduction: 0:00Starting his career in-house at Disney: 9:59How to work with creative people: 20:45What role does creativity play in the legal field?: 24:31Working as a studio executive at video game developer Konami: 28:44Putting together talent agreements with celebrity athletes: 30:51Leading legal at the Tennis Channel: 39:45What playing tennis has taught Peter about being a lawyer: 44:49Rapid-fire questions: 47:30Book recommendations: 49:10What Peter wishes he’d known as a young lawyer: 49:50Connect with us:Peter Steckelman - https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-steckelman-entertainment-sports-professional/Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Nov 7, 2024 • 50min
Ep 65: Why GCs Need to Understand Geopolitics with Sean West
Do general counsels need to care about geopolitics? Is now the right time to start a legal tech company? And should you consider growing your team in a place other than Silicon Valley, like Rwanda?Join Sean West, Co-Founder at Hence Technologies and writer at Geolegal.substack.com, as he explains how he became a geopolitical forecaster for corporations and hedge funds at Eurasia Group, then chose to co-found a tech company that brings geopolitical insights to general counsels and executives at a time of rising international volatility.Listen as Sean explains why CEOs are becoming chief geopolitical officers, why government affairs teams are increasingly falling under the purview of the general counsel, how he develops his predictions in a constantly changing world, and more.Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-65Topics:Introduction: 0:00Tyler asks about the Eurasia Group: 3:51Tyler asks how Sean learned to trust his gut: 8:18Tyler asks why general counsels should care about geopolitics: 10:49Tyler asks how general counsels can get better at handling political risks: 15:59Tyler asks whether CEOs have to be politicians: 22:10Tyler asks about building Hence Technologies in Rwanda: 31:46Tyler asks about starting your own business: 35:03Tyler asks about the future of Hence Technologies: 41:41Tyler asks rapid-fire questions: 43:23Book recommendations: 45:19Tyler asks what Sean wishes he’d known as a young researcher: 47:25Connect with us:Sean West - https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanpwest1/Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Oct 31, 2024 • 26min
Ep 64: How to build and scale legal teams?
As top legal leaders across a variety of industries, our podcast guests are no strangers to building teams from scratch and scaling them to adapt to the needs of a rapidly expanding business. Listen as we share some of our favorite words of advice from past episodes about hiring and growing elite legal teams from some of the most seasoned general counsels and executives working today. Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-64 Topics: You’re starting a leadership role at a new company. What’s your first move?: 0:06 You’re about to go public. How do you build an expert international legal team from scratch?: 2:51 How do you prepare your legal team to be the next generation of GCs and legal leaders?: 8:06 How do you prepare your domestic legal team for an international expansion?: 10:41 How do you bring in the right talent to build out your legal team?: 15:41 How do you identify whether a candidate has the skills they need to succeed on your legal team?: 18:17 How do you keep your team motivated to stay on during moments of crisis, like the Covid-19 pandemic?: 23:24 Connect with us: Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Oct 29, 2024 • 55min
Ep 63: From Prosecutor to GC at Enfusion with Matt Campobasso
How can the general counsel become a true partner to the executive team? How about in the context of a public company? How can the general counsel ensure that that same can-do attitude that they bring to the table pervades the rest of their legal team?Join Matt Campobasso, General Counsel at Enfusion, as he shares stories and lessons from his unique legal career: starting as a prosecutor outside of Chicago, litigating at a firm for more than a decade and becoming partner, then transitioning to in-house and leading legal at a publicly-traded fintech company.Listen as Matt discusses how his time in the courtroom shaped his approach to in-house legal, how to build a department of independent, driven lawyers, cultivating a business mindset in your team, and more.Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-63Topics:Introduction: 0:00Tyler asks about his career as an Illinois prosecutor: 1:36Tyler asks what inspired Matt to be a prosecutor: 4:32Tyler asks about transitioning in-house roles in tech: 16:33Tyler asks about managing work relationships after you become general counsel: 24:15Tyler asks about instilling a business mindset in a legal team: 29:56Tyler on hiring lawyers with an owner’s mindset: 37:32Tyler asks fun questions: 43:50Book recommendations: 49:22What Matt wish he knew as a young lawyer: 52:16Connect with us:Matt Campobasso - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrc1921/Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Oct 24, 2024 • 40min
Ep 62: From Serving in the Army to becoming a CEO with Ethena CEO Roxanne Petraeus
How can corporate leaders make compliance training entertaining enough that their employees will pay attention? How do you know if compliance training is effective? What has a founder in this space learned about building for and selling to HR and legal?Join Roxanne Petraeus, Co-Founder and CEO of Ethena, as she discusses how her company is changing compliance training by making it more personalised, effective, role-based, and specific to scenarios happening in her clients’ companies. Starting her career as an officer in the U.S. Army, she made the leap from consultant to founder and built a platform that saves time, engages distracted employees, and satisfies regulators.Listen as Roxanne discusses why content is as important as technology, how to measure the success of compliance training, the value of balancing quantitative data with qualitative feedback, and how her company is leveraging AI to better serve their clients, and more.Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-62Topics:Introduction: 0:00Finding the inspiration to serve in the military: 1:30Leaving McKinsey & Company to found Ethena: 6:25Scaling up content quality alongside technology: 9:04What companies are getting wrong about in-house training and how to make a change: 11:44Measuring the success of a new compliance training: 13:34Going beyond boring or cringy compliance trainings: 16:45Observing new trends in compliance training: 20:40Leveraging AI as the founder of a tech company: 23:16Comparing compliance issues and needs between small companies and enterprise clients: 29:02Mapping the future for Ethena: 31:50Favorite part of your day and pet peeves: 34:12Book recommendations: 35:50What you wish you’d known as a young founder: 36:58Connect with us:Roxanne Petraeus - https://www.linkedin.com/in/roxanne-bras-petraeus-2292b8109/Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Oct 17, 2024 • 36min
Ep 61: How to lead Legal without a JD with Zoe McMahon, HP, Head of Legal Ops
What skill set should the Chief of Staff to a Chief Legal Officer of a major international corporation need? How do you build trust with a Chief Operating Officer? How do you cultivate the right culture with a large legal and compliance team?Join Zoe McMahon, Chief of Staff, VP of Legal Strategy and Operations at HP, as she shares stories and lessons from her thirty-year career at the world’s second largest computer manufacturer. Starting her career in environmental responsibility, Zoe has transferred her skills to a diverse roster of teams, including HP’s global human rights office, privacy, and legal operations.Listen as Zoe discusses how she drives change from within, why she loves working on the forefront of developing legal and business fields, her fascination with long-term change, why she values strong relationships, and more.Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-61Topics:Introduction: 0:00Tyler asks about starting a career in environmental issues: 2:02How do you advocate for the environment from within a company?: 4:04How do you resource responsibly?: 5:02Why Zoe moved into privacy: 8:03Can you build credibility without a JD?: 9:25Should you change career trajectories? 12:55What does the Chief of Staff to HP’s Chief Legal Officer do?: 19:36How do you build strong relationships at work?: 23:57What part of HP’s culture is Zoe proudest of?: 26:41Fun questions: 30:30Book recommendations: 34:02What Zoe wish she know when she was getting started: 40:04Connect with us:Zoe McMahon - https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-mcmahon-44074814/Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Oct 10, 2024 • 34min
Ep 60: Sharing Legal Secrets Onstage with Playwright and ex-Etsy and Vroom GC Sarah Feingold
Where's the intersection in a career as a creative and as a lawyer? What stories would you tell if you were writing a play about your career in startup law? How do you go and convince some accomplished actors to sign up and perform it off-broadway? Join Sarah Feingold, the legal expert and playwright behind Dirty Legal Secrets: Based on True Startups—running Off-Broadway this October in New York City—as she shares her experience collecting and staging anonymous stories from startup lawyers that they can’t tell themselves. She leveraged her own experience as the first general counsel at start-ups Etsy and Vroom. Listen as Sarah discusses how she leveraged her own experience as the first general counsel at start-ups Etsy and Vroom to tell other lawyers’ brave legal stories, how to balance your creative pursuits with legal work, how to expand beyond in-house to advise, teach, and join boards, and much more. Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-60 Topics: Introduction: 0:00 Becoming Etsy’s first lawyer (and 17th hire): 2:48 Transitioning to General Counsel at Vroom: 6:57 Writing a play: 9:18Getting started on your first draft: 13:59 Finding actors and producing your own play: 16:52 Learning to promote yourself after a career in legal: 19:54 Staging Dirty Legal Secrets: 21:37 Keeping your creative spirit alive while working full-time: 25:28 Leaning into a “portfolio” career: 28:20 Favorite part of your day and pet peeves: 30:13 Book recommendations: 31:24 What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 33:21Cellunova Productions presents Dirty Legal Secrets October 17-27, NYC Buy tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/dirty-legal-secrets-tickets-1001791825317 Connect with us: Sarah Feingold: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahfeingold/ Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn SpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

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Oct 3, 2024 • 1h 2min
Ep 59: From Lawyer to Angel Investor, Advisor & Dealmaker with Sunjay Mathews
How do you turn your passion for sports into a career? What does it take to advise pro athletes and celebrities on investments and deals? And how can you start to angel invest yourself?Sunjay Mathews, investor, advisor, and dealmaker in the sports and media sector, was able to make the leap from in-house counsel at FanDuel and DAZN, the biggest names in sports betting and streaming, into a legal and business consulting powerhouse. With his deep understanding of the complex (and often outdated) regulations surrounding sports betting, he began leading at the intersection of crypto and athletics, advising on sports partnerships with FTX and investing in blockchain-reliant companies like BetDex, and joining the board of tixbase.Listen as Sunjay shares lessons from his career at the cutting edge of burgeoning industries, dealmaking with pro athletes, getting started as an angel investor, and more.Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-59Topics:Introduction: 0:00Transitioning from law associate to sports legal advisor at FanDuel: 3:40Dealing with anachronistic regulations in the sports betting industry: 6:47Moving into streaming at DAZN: 10:39Getting a start as an independent advisor: 21:47Dealmaking with pro athletes and celebrities: 26:08Getting started as an angel investor: 34:12Consulting on sports marketing with FTX and getting involved with crypto: 38:06Investing and advising companies like BetDEX, tixbase, and Just Women’s Sports: 42:20Uplifting Just Women’s Sports: 49:35What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 57:11Connect with us:Sunjay Mathews: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunjay-mathews-b227a723/Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Sep 26, 2024 • 58min
Ep 58: How a lawyer built an AI company with Cecilia Ziniti, founder GC AI
How should General Counsel and legal teams be leveraging generative AI? How do you get started on your AI journey and what mistakes should you avoid? Where is the AI revolution heading?Join Cecilia Ziniti, Founder and CEO of GC AI, as she discusses how and why she made the leap from working as a corporate lawyer to creating a generative AI product specifically designed for in-house counsel. Find out how her years leading legal for AI-powered tech companies like Replit, Anki, and Cruise (and serving as lead counsel on Amazon’s Alexa) prepared her to create a company offering a groundbreaking product that serves the various needs of lawyers with precision and care.Listen as Cecilia discusses the similarities between lawyers and large language models, how to begin experimenting with generative AI with the goal of making both your professional and personal life smoother, why you can’t let others tell you you’re “just” a lawyer, and why legal professionals should always use emojis.Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-58Topics:Introduction: 0:00Leading legal at Replit: 2:52Why lawyers should use emojis: 5:40Starting a business after gaining extensive experience working with AI: 13:00Considering how GCs should leverage AI: 22:18Hiring legal teams in the age of AI: 39:03Teaching a class on AI at Stanford University: 47:35Book Recommendations: 51:52What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 55:11Connect with us:Cecilia Ziniti - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ceciliaziniti/Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Sep 19, 2024 • 1h 2min
Ep 57: Bridging the gap between Politicians & Corps. with Jules Polonetsky, CEO, Future of Privacy
Join Jules Polonetsky, CEO and Founder of the Future of Privacy Forum, as he shares lessons he learned from the front lines of ad tech starting in the early 1990s. Starting his career in politics as a New York assemblyman and working his way into consumer protection-focused public roles, he became one of the first chief privacy officers in the tech industry at companies like DoubleClick and AOL at a crucial moment in the history of online privacy. Now his think tank connects policymakers with corporations, and helps both sides answer tough questions about privacy and data.Join Jules Polonetsky, CEO and Founder of the Future of Privacy Forum, as he shares lessons he learned from the front lines of ad tech starting in the early 1990s. Starting his career in politics as a New York assemblyman and working his way into consumer protection-focused public roles, he became one of the first chief privacy officers in the tech industry at companies like DoubleClick and AOL at a crucial moment in the history of online privacy. Now his think tank connects policymakers with corporations and helps both sides answer tough questions about privacy and data.Listen as Jules discusses his uniquely-positioned understanding of privacy issues, the future of AI governance and the chief privacy officer role, advice to lawyers who want to move into the privacy space, and much more.Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-57Topics:Introduction: 0:00Getting a start in New York politics: 1:57Running for elected office: 11:46Taking one of the first Chief Privacy Officer roles in the industry at DoubleClick: 16:43Considering the necessary training to be successful in privacy: 24:28Founding the Future of Privacy Forum: 32:02Questioning the death of the Chief Privacy Officer role: 44:42Favorite part of your day-to-day work and professional pet peeves: 51:54Book recommendations: 56:41What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 1:00:01Connect with us:Jules Polonetsky: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julespolonetsky/Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinnSpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraftSpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.