
Into the Supernatural With Jen Lilley & Billy Hallowell
Do miracles still happen today? What’s really going on in the spiritual battle around us? What does the Bible say about the supernatural—and why does it matter?
If you’ve ever wrestled with these questions, Into the Supernatural is the podcast you’ve been waiting for. Hosted by actress Jen Lilley and TV host and journalist Billy Hallowell, this captivating show pulls back the veil on the unseen world, exploring the powerful and oft-times misunderstood supernatural elements of the Christian faith.
From miracles and healings to deliverance and near-death experiences, Jen and Billy dive deep into firsthand testimonies, biblical truth, and the mysteries of the spiritual realm. With thought-provoking discussions and expert guests, they explore how God still moves today—and what it means for your faith.
The supernatural isn’t just something from the past—it’s happening right now. Whether you’re a skeptic, a seeker, or a believer hungry for more, this show will challenge, inspire, and equip you to understand the reality of spiritual warfare, the power of prayer, and the undeniable evidence of God’s presence in our world.
Are you ready to go beyond the natural and step Into the Supernatural?
Latest episodes

Aug 26, 2022 • 22min
Exposing Trauma and Evil: Meet the Husband and Wife Team Battling the Demonic With the 'Science of Deliverance'
Evil is real. On "Billy Hallowell's Playing With Fire," we'll be speaking with Jareb and Petra Nott, Bible teachers who operate a deliverance ministry and train others to help set people free from demonic influence. Authors of the book "The Science of Deliverance: How Spiritual Freedom Brings Physical Healing," the husband and wife duo say they take a scientific approach to healing the influence of evil. Today we'll explore their take on deliverance, evil, oppression, and the complex discussion about the passing on of trauma. Here's part one of our discussion.MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Aug 16, 2022 • 34min
Ex-Psychic's WARNING After Tarot Cards, Paranormal Sparked 'Rabbit Hole of Destruction': Jenn Nizza's Incredible Journey to Christ
Evil is real. Today we tell the story of Jenn Nizza, a woman whose encounter with Tarot Card reading as a young girl led her on a years-long journey into New Age practices and the occult. After spending years doing readings and communicating with what Jenn believed were the dead souls of her clients, she had an encounter with Jesus that changed everything. Today, we'll discuss her story, and we'll explore the mystery, myths, and truths surrounding psychic abilities and what the Bible truly has to say. Jenn's convicting warning is something every Christian must heed.MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Jul 29, 2022 • 8min
Celeb Reportedly Throws Out Witchcraft Books, Tarot Cards and Issues Public Statement: 'There Is a Spiritual Battle'
Famous tattoo artist, entrepreneur, model, and reality TV star Kat Von D issued a fascinating statement on her Instagram last week, noting she knows there's a spiritual battle afoot. While she has always seen "beauty in the macabre," something recently changed."I've always found beauty in the macabre, but at this point, I just had to ask myself what is my relationship with this content?" she said, sharing a photo of the books and Tarot content she purportedly tossed. "And the truth is, I just don't want to invite any of these things into our family's lives, even if it comes disguised in beautiful covers, collecting dust on my shelves."Listen to this mini-episode of "Playing With Fire" for the whole story — and understand why this is a truly unique and fascinating move.

Jul 9, 2022 • 47min
Witches, Satanists, and More: Meet the Pastors Who Lovingly Ministered For Years in Salem, Massachusetts
Guy and Tana Miller, pastors who ministered in Salem, Massachusetts, talk about their unique ministry and interacting with witches and Satanists. They discuss starting a church in Salem, navigating tense moments, showing unconditional love, and engaging with people involved in the occult.

Jun 11, 2022 • 44min
What Are Demons? Do Christians Need Deliverance? Mike Signorelli Breaks Down Evil, Exorcisms, and More
What are demons? What's deliverance (and how does it differ from exorcism)? Is Catholic exorcism effective? Mike Signorelli, pastor of V1 Church in NYC, tackles these issues among many others on this episode of "Playing With Fire With Billy Hallowell." We also tackle:Do Christians need deliverance?Can a Christian have demons inside of him or herself?Talk about your ministry. You do large, mass deliverance events. What are those like?...and plenty more!Listen to other episodes of "Billy Hallowell's Playing With Fire Podcast" on Edifi.And be sure to grab copies of the "Playing With Fire" book!

May 21, 2022 • 1h
'I Was a Witch': She Was a Teen Witch Obsessed With Crystals, Séances, Tarot, and Casting Spells Before Jesus Shattered That Life
Sarah Anne Sumpolec was once a teenage witch. The chaos she invited in — after being led into the practice by her father — overtook her life and nearly caused her to commit suicide.
"Within months I had collected crystals, conducted séances, and built an altar in my room to worship the god and goddess I had chosen," she once wrote. "I read incantations, used Tarot, cast spells and took on a brand new identity. I was a witch, and proud of it."
Today, Sarah is a Bible-believing Christian, but her journey to getting to this place was anything but easy.
Listen to her incredible story on The Playing With Fire Podcast.

May 5, 2022 • 32min
Introduced to Witchcraft as a Child and 'Bombarded With Nightmares' and Supernatural Chaos, This Ex-Pop Star Found Jesus
Jeannie Ortega Law had a turbulent childhood. Introduced to witchcraft at an early age, she saw animal sacrifices, faced spiritual torment, and eventually came to experience suicidal inclusions.
But her journey into Santeria ended up concluding with Law finding Jesus. She expels some myths, helps people understand what she faced, and offers powerful challenges to believers everywhere.
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Read more stories like this in "Playing with Fire: A Modern Investigation into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts."
What is Our Fascination with the Other Side?
Join investigative reporter Billy Hallowell as he delves into the strange phenomena of supernatural activity. Themes of demonic possession, exorcism, and ghosts have overtaken Hollywood, with countless films and TV shows delving into the age-old struggle against evil. But the question is why?
Even with so much focus on the topic, there seems to be very little public knowledge and discussion about the theology and real-life claims surrounding demons. Quite often, many people remain silent about their experiences or resort to quietly whispering about what they’ve seen, heard, or felt for fear of being labeled as crazy. The truth is, even pastors, priests, and clergy who have observed firsthand accounts of possession and deliverance can succumb to the strange and terrifying effects of intense spiritual warfare.
For people of faith, Playing with Fire addresses these core questions:
Are demons active today?
If they do indeed exist, what are they? Fallen angels? Nephilim?
Can demons inhabit human beings?
According to the Bible, can people die and remain behind as “ghosts”?
Playing with Fire explores the theological underpinnings surrounding the supernatural. Relying on firsthand accounts, newspaper reports, and Christian experts, Hallowell takes readers through the various views and perspectives surrounding supernatural activity.

Apr 22, 2022 • 23min
'Shut Up, Devil': Kyle Winkler on Silencing the Lies Satan Tells
Is Satan real? Does he have an impact on our lives? Should Christians be fearful? These are just some of the questions we tackle on today's podcast.
Kyle Winkler is a Christian speaker and author who believes there are key strategies Christians can use to push back against the lies Satan tells. Founder of the popular Shut Up, Devil! app and author of the new book, "Shut Up, Devil: Silencing the 10 Lies Behind Every Battle You Face," Winkler offers some practical advice, discusses topics like "deliverance" and explores the spiritual battles the Bible says are raging around us.
Explore more episodes of the "Playing With Fire Podcast" on Apple and Edifi, among other podcast platforms.
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Evil is real. That’s the reality we deal with on the Playing With Fire Podcast. And now we’re back with season two – and things are going to look a bit different. This season, we’re telling real and raw, unfiltered and unedited stories. This special season of "Playing With Fire" begins right after the Easter season – and that’s by design.
Often, the conversation around evil is used to scare and terrify people. Stories of exorcism, fighting demons, and evil are used to entertain people through immeasurable fear. But, for the Christian, we know that Christ defeated evil on the cross – that the stage has been set and that God has triumphed.
On season two of Playing With Fire we will explore stories of people who have left behind Satanism, witchcraft and other elements of the occult. These unfiltered conversations might shock and captivate us – but they will ultimately point us toward hope in Christ.

Apr 10, 2022 • 7min
Hollywood Actress Reveals Quest to Speak With Spirits (Plus: Previewing SEASON 2 of Playing With Fire)
Actress Vanessa Hudgens recently revealed her passion for trying to speak with spirits. Here's why this matters and why the mainstreaming of these activities is deeply concerning. Plus: a preview of season two of "Playing With Fire!"
Find out more about the "Playing With Fire" book: https://www.amazon.com/Playing-Fire-Modern-Investigation-Exorcism/dp/0785234500/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Oct 31, 2021 • 31min
FINALE: Ex-Satanist Spent 33 Years Embroiled in Evil and Absolutely Hated Christians — Then a Book Mysteriously Appeared on His Jail-Room Floor
As a child, Brian Cole was desperate for love and adoration and found himself fitting in with older kids who happened to be Satanists.
That set him on a 33-year journey into Satanism and the occult — a journey that finally came to an end when he discovered "The Case For Christ" mysteriously sitting on his jail-room floor. Today, Brian is a pastor who is speaking out about the dangers of evil.
This is his story.