

Into the Supernatural With Jen Lilley & Billy Hallowell
Pathufind Media/Billy Hallowell
Do miracles still happen today? What’s really going on in the spiritual battle around us? What does the Bible say about the supernatural—and why does it matter?
If you’ve ever wrestled with these questions, Into the Supernatural is the podcast you’ve been waiting for. Hosted by actress Jen Lilley and TV host and journalist Billy Hallowell, this captivating show pulls back the veil on the unseen world, exploring the powerful and oft-times misunderstood supernatural elements of the Christian faith.
From miracles and healings to deliverance and near-death experiences, Jen and Billy dive deep into firsthand testimonies, biblical truth, and the mysteries of the spiritual realm. With thought-provoking discussions and expert guests, they explore how God still moves today—and what it means for your faith.
The supernatural isn’t just something from the past—it’s happening right now. Whether you’re a skeptic, a seeker, or a believer hungry for more, this show will challenge, inspire, and equip you to understand the reality of spiritual warfare, the power of prayer, and the undeniable evidence of God’s presence in our world.
Are you ready to go beyond the natural and step Into the Supernatural?
If you’ve ever wrestled with these questions, Into the Supernatural is the podcast you’ve been waiting for. Hosted by actress Jen Lilley and TV host and journalist Billy Hallowell, this captivating show pulls back the veil on the unseen world, exploring the powerful and oft-times misunderstood supernatural elements of the Christian faith.
From miracles and healings to deliverance and near-death experiences, Jen and Billy dive deep into firsthand testimonies, biblical truth, and the mysteries of the spiritual realm. With thought-provoking discussions and expert guests, they explore how God still moves today—and what it means for your faith.
The supernatural isn’t just something from the past—it’s happening right now. Whether you’re a skeptic, a seeker, or a believer hungry for more, this show will challenge, inspire, and equip you to understand the reality of spiritual warfare, the power of prayer, and the undeniable evidence of God’s presence in our world.
Are you ready to go beyond the natural and step Into the Supernatural?
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Aug 7, 2023 • 23min
Are UFOs and Aliens REAL? Renowned Astrophysicist Says Things Might Not Be What They Seem
Are aliens and UFOs real? Astrophysicist Hugh Ross, who is also a Christian apologist, has intensely looked at this issue for decades. Ross became a UFO expert by accident, though his theological take on the issue — particularly in light of the newfound cultural obsession with the topic — is fascinating. On today's episode of "Billy Hallowell's Playing With Fire," he explores the nature of aliens, why he believes things might not be what they seem, and what people (and, in particular, Christians) might want to pay attention to.MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Jul 31, 2023 • 14min
'Downloaded From Demons': Ex-Medium Responds to Raven-Symoné's 'Psychic' Claims With WARNING
An ex-medium who found Jesus and abandoned the occult is speaking out and issuing a warning after actress Raven Symoné recently spoke about having "psychic" moments.Jenn Nizza, a former fortune teller who hosts the podcast "Ex-Psychic Saved," joins the show to break it all down.MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Jun 23, 2023 • 37min
She Fell Into Witchcraft, Astrology, the New Age and Felt 'Dead Inside.' After Escaping Evil, She's Helping Save Kids From the Demonic
Evil is real.Tailah Scroggins felt dead inside. After growing up in a Christian home, she somehow fell into the occult, embracing astrology, witchcraft, and the New Age. But after embarking on a dark journey and losing the will to live, she had an incredible interaction with God that changed everything. Today, Tailah is an online evangelist, writer, and truth-teller on a mission to help others escape evil. She joins "Billy Hallowell's Playing With Fire" to share her testimony, her journey into — and out of — the occult, and what she believes about deliverance ministry. Most notably, she explains what led her to dive into social media to share her vulnerable story.When Tailah saw witchcraft, Tarot cards, crystals, and astrology blowing up on the Internet during the pandemic, she said she was grieved. "I was into New Age, I was into the false spirituality, in witchcraft ... so, I saw people going through what I had been set free from by Jesus," she says on the show. "And I was like, 'This is not OK. It's not OK that these videos are getting millions of [views].'"Listen to Tailah share her powerful journey. MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

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Jun 8, 2023 • 18min
'We're Fighting a Spiritual Battle': Disney+ Show About Teen Impregnated by Devil and the 'Cartoonification' of Satan
Mike Signorelli, pastor of V1 Church in New York City, is sounding the alarm on "Pauline," a new Disney+ show Deadline describes as a "German original about a teenager who falls in love with the devil." It's just the latest in a slew of Satan-themed content that should be giving Christian parents pause, and causing us to ponder why Hollywood continues to progress the "cartoonification" of evil."My reaction [to the show] was: Satan always comes masquerading as an angel of light, and so he's going to portray himself in the form that people are most readily able to accept," Signorelli said. "Because he wants to appeal to the masses, and we're seeing this over and over and over again."Listen to the broad conversation about evil, Disney, and why these spiritual issues are of great importance. MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Apr 23, 2023 • 12min
Ex-Psychic Sounds Alarm Over Bizarre 'Ouija Board' Purportedly Pledging to Connect People to Holy Spirit, Jesus
A new talking board promises to connect Christians to the Holy Spirit and Jesus, and while the product — which is legitimately for sale — allegedly seems to be a massive troll, ex-psychic Jenn Nizza is sounding the alarm about the board and over Ouija boards more generally. She explains why Christians should avoid the occult at all costs and why such boards are dangerous and problematic.Listen to Nizza explain the issue and share how her own experience in the occult showed her the reality of evil.MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Mar 25, 2023 • 43min
Exorcist Bursts Open Real-Life Possession Case Files in Shocking New Exploration: 'Ouija Boards...Witches, Curses, Levitation'
"The Exorcist Files" podcast host Ryan Bethea joins "Billy Hallowell's Playing With Fire" to tackle the "alarming increase in the number of reported demonic possessions" across the U.S. — and the globe. Bethea reveals some of the crazy stories he's heard while working with Father Carlos Martins, a renowned Catholic exorcist. "The Exorcist Files" dramatically tells real-life cases, and Bethea shares his journey into exploring the occult — and the "robust theology" and framework at the center of it all. "After hearing about possessed 9-year-olds, Ouija boards, truck drivers, witches, curses, levitation, and objects ... at the very least, there's stories here," Bethea said of his surprise when first hearing Martins' experiences. "Even people who are not religious are fascinated by this topic."Listen to this fascinating conversation.MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Feb 23, 2023 • 35min
Ex-NYPD Cop Is Now Fighting the Demonic One Case at a Time: 'Face-to-Face With Pure Evil'
Evil is real. That's a lesson Chris DeFlorio, a former officer with the New York Police Department, has learned all too well.DeFlorio is using his investigative skills to help people who believe they’re facing ills from the demonic realm. He and his wife Harmony run New York Demonic Investigation, an organization that seeks to explore these potential scenarios.“It wasn’t until I pretty much focused full-time into this area, which we’ll call demonology, through the church, [that] I started to try to differentiate … the secondary evil that I was seeing on the street in human beings,” he told "Billy Hallowell's Playing With Fire Podcast." “And then [I wondered], ‘What’s behind that? There, there must be a primary evil.'”That’s when DeFlorio began to take a Bible-based approach to try and understand wickedness — a path that led him to apply his law enforcement skills to demonology and the biblical understanding of the manifestation of evil.Listen to Chris and Harmony describe confronting evil and why they do what they do.MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Feb 3, 2023 • 19min
'It's...So Scary': Ex-Psychic’s Alarming Warning to Parents About Crystals, Herbs, and Witchcraft
Once overtaken by the occult, an ex-psychic is speaking out about culture’s obsession with crystals, herbs, and other items tied to witchcraft.Jenn Nizza, a Christian who now shares her testimony on social media and through her new podcast, “Ex-Psychic Saved,” warned about young people’s increased use of such tools.“This is so New Age … using crystals for protection, to ward off evil, for enlightenment, to bring about psychic awareness, to place on chakras, thinking you’re going to open them up and use the energy from the crystals,” she told CBN’s Faithwire. “This whole thing is relying on energy with crystals.”Nizza reflected on her past use of crystals as a psychic, noting she used a heart-shaped rose quartz pendant to try and draw love toward herself. She said people use crystals for other reasons as well, including protection against illness.“It’s really so scary,” she said, noting the use of such tools is growing. Listen to her break down the issues — and sound an alarm for parents.MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Jan 8, 2023 • 17min
Is Yoga a Demonic Spiritual Practice That Worships False Gods? Ex-Psychic Shares Her Experience
Yoga is one of the most popular workouts in the world, but not everyone is a fan. While some see it as mere stretches and poses, others, like ex-psychic Jenn Nizza, believe Yoga is diabolical. “Yoga is a Hindu spiritual practice, and the word ‘yoga’ is rooted in Sanskrit. It means ‘to yoke to’ or ‘to unite with,’ and what they’re doing,” she said on "The Playing With Fire" podcast. “They have deliberate postures that are paying tribute, honor, and worship to their false gods, and they have over 330,000,000 false gods, which are demons, and they’re honoring them with these postures.”Listen to Nizza break down her perspective on Yoga and share her own past experiences on the matter.MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram

Nov 6, 2022 • 40min
'Witchcraft Killed My Dad': Ex-Witch's Horrific Journey Out of Terror to Christ, Escape From 5 Generations of Witchcraft
Julie Lopez says she was walking in "darkness" until her father's horrific suicide sent her and her family on a path that snapped them out of generations of witchcraft and into a relationship with Jesus. "I basically come from five generations of [witchcraft]," she recently told CBN's Faithwire. "I think it actually goes [further back], but ... it ends in me. I cut that generational course." Lopez, who is now a Christian working to help others discover the Lord's voice, explained what practicing witchcraft looked like for her and her family -- and why everyone must be on guard. Here's her harrowing story. MORE INFORMATION:- Want to know more? Read Billy's book, "Playing With Fire: A Modern Investigation Into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts"- Follow Billy on Facebook- Follow Billy on Twitter- Follow Billy on Instagram