

Chief Change Officer
Vince Chan
What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself?
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
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Dec 4, 2024 • 30min
#87 Lucy Gernon: The Big Leap Wasn’t a Blind Jump
Ever felt like confidence is just another buzzword? Lucy Gernon from Ireland is here to flip the script.
In this episode, Lucy breaks down the true essence of confidence—not borrowed quotes or empty bravado, but certainty in yourself, your ideas, and the value you bring. With candid insights and her own journey from self-doubt to self-assurance, she offers a fresh perspective on why confidence isn’t just a trait—it’s a gift you owe to yourself and your audience.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Fire Within
“I knew I was capable of more, but my inner critic kept me playing small. It wasn’t until a personal tragedy shook me to my core that I decided to stop living for others and start chasing my dreams.”
Building While Working
“I started small, coaching evenings and weekends to test the waters. It wasn’t glamorous, but it proved there was a demand. For over a year, I balanced corporate life with side hustle life, saving money, gaining testimonials, and upskilling wherever I could.”
Lessons from the Mirror
“Before starting my business, I leaned on big names and borrowed quotes. But a coach’s nudge reminded me: I had my own frameworks, built on life experience. That realization turned the mirror back on me—and boosted my belief in what I bring to the table.”
Confidence as a Gift
“Confidence isn’t about perfection or credentials. It’s about understanding what you’ve built, what you’ve learned, and using that to enrich others’ journeys. That’s the real win.”
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Dec 3, 2024 • 41min
#86 From Diplomacy to Decarbonization: Irina Filippova’s Bold Journey into the Future of Energy
Meet Irina Filippova, the fearless trailblazer who swapped a career in diplomacy for a front-row seat in the energy and transportation revolutions.
Born in Moscow to a nuclear scientist, Irina took a hard left from splitting atoms to bridging cultures, then pivoted again—this time into reshaping the energy landscape at BP.
She’s the kind of leader who doesn’t just talk about change; she makes it happen, whether she’s revamping gas stations into sustainability hubs or electrifying entire fleets. With a dash of diplomacy, a ton of curiosity, and a knack for jumping into the unknown, Irina proves that courage and a good sense of humor are key to leading through global transformations.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Moscow Roots and Global Aspirations
“I grew up surrounded by science—my father was a nuclear scientist—but my passion was languages and cultures. Choosing diplomacy as a career was a bold step, especially for a woman in Moscow, but it opened doors to a world of possibilities.”
A Curiosity-Led Career Path
“My journey has been anything but linear. At 35, I realized I wasn’t drawn to the idea of a traditional career path. Instead, I wanted to explore different facets of energy, leading me from corporate giants to startups—and each step fueled my curiosity further.”
Turning the Lens Inward
“I initially focused on the need for external leaders to change, but studying psychology at the Carl Jung Institute revealed a profound truth: the change had to start within me. Only by addressing my own internal growth could I effectively guide others.”
Solving the Fleet Transition Equation
“Fleet owners face a daunting challenge: embracing electrification without losing focus on their core business. Our mission is to handle everything from sourcing energy to ensuring reliability, allowing them to electrify without added burdens.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Irina Filippova
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Dec 2, 2024 • 21min
#85 Singapore’s Youngest Female Parliamentarian, Tin Pei Ling: A Life-Altering Election
Singapore’s youngest female parliamentarian, Tin Pei Ling, reflects on her transformative journey from psychology student to public servant. Faced with early challenges like age bias, online criticism, and the weight of public expectations, she shares how resilience and authenticity became her guiding principles. Tin highlights the power of grassroots connections and meaningful actions to overcome stereotypes and build trust with her constituents. Her story is a testament to navigating adversity with purpose and determination.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
A Life-Altering Election
“My first general election was intense—personally and professionally. As the youngest candidate and a woman, I faced doubts and criticisms. Every day, I had to focus on helping constituents despite the noise. It was a challenging baptism of fire but one that shaped my resilience and growth.”
The Unique Burdens of Social Media
“Social media amplifies everything. Comments—relevant or not—come in waves, and the pressure can be immense. Learning to filter the noise and focus on sincere feedback was crucial. Ultimately, actions spoke louder than words. Over time, trust and authenticity won out.”
Resilience Through Adversity
“Facing biases about age and gender was tough, but time became my ally. By consistently engaging with my constituents and showing my sincerity, I was able to forge bonds that matter deeply to me. Challenges don’t just test us—they teach us to thrive.”
The Power of Perspective
“Looking back, I see growth. The moments of doubt and struggle turned into valuable lessons. Now, I approach criticism with a clearer head and use those experiences to inspire others. Resilience isn’t just about enduring—it’s about learning and evolving.”
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Dec 1, 2024 • 24min
#84 TV and Filmmaker Jean Zhou: From Small-Town Dreams to Blockbuster Stories
In this episode, we meet Jean Zhou, a filmmaker from China whose life is a testament to the power of pursuing a dream.
From her humble beginnings as a small-town girl to earning an MBA from Chicago Booth, Jean’s journey spans multiple industries—from sociology and accounting to venture capital and, ultimately, the entertainment world. Now an accomplished writer and producer of TV shows and movies, Jean shares how a simple love for TV series as a child ignited her passion for storytelling, leading her to craft narratives that captivate audiences.
Join us as we explore the story behind the storyteller.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Creating Stories: Founding Wind Entertainment
“In 2019, I founded Wind Entertainment. Initially, we incubated writers and even won several Best Novel Awards. By 2020, we ventured into drama series, writing our first script, The Starry Love. It aired on four TV stations in China and was distributed to over 30 countries.”
Sociology: A Bridge Between Business and Humanity
“Sociology opened my worldview and helped me understand people better. Ultimately, the business world is about relationships—between people and people. Sociology gave me insights into the social mind and thoughts, which help decode the essence of business.”
The Seeds of a Producer’s Journey
“As a child, I had to go to bed at 9 p.m., even though TV programming continued until 10. That early frustration planted the idea in my mind—one day, I’d take control of storytelling. Fast forward to 2018, when I watched the TV series Ashes of Love and realized it was the most incredible thing to create a project like that. I decided it was something I had to try, at least once in my life.”
The Limitations of AI in Screenwriting
“While AI brings efficiency, its impact on screenwriting remains minimal. Scripts are tailored works of art, built to surpass expectations. AI, by contrast, is a summary of past material, often resembling a Wikipedia outline. Such drafts lack the depth and creativity necessary for a fully developed script that would appeal to buyers.”
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Nov 29, 2024 • 26min
#83 Colin Savage: A Change Addict’s Quest Across Borders—From Canada to Japan and Beyond — Part Three
Part Three.
Welcome to a special three-part series with Colin Savage. we’ll dive into Colin’s fascinating journey as a self-proclaimed change addict turned change guru. Colin’s career spans continents, cultures, and industries—seven countries lived in, seven more seconded to, and projects in over 70 nations. From organizational transformation to personal reinvention, he’s mastered the art of embracing change and applying those lessons to life.
Here, we’ll explore the learning required for transformation—why Colin believes lifelong learning is outdated and skill stacking is the future. And finally, we’ll tackle AI, human intelligence, and why every one of us needs a personal AI strategy.
Buckle up—this one’s a ride!
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Skill Stacking: Building the Professional Toolkit
“Skill stacking, by contrast, is about curating abilities that complement one another professionally. It’s not about learning everything, but about combining practical skills—like emotional intelligence and technical expertise—to tackle complex challenges with a well-rounded approach.”
AI as a Symphony, Not a Solo
“The real power of AI lies in its harmony with other tools and disciplines. No single tool can address every need, but by leveraging the strengths of multiple technologies in concert, professionals can tackle challenges faster, smarter, and more effectively.”
Cheating AI? The Consequences Are Real
“From students to professionals, relying on AI without human effort leads to steep penalties. A student might fail, a professional might face fraud charges. The higher the stakes, the more critical it is to leverage—not outsource—human intelligence.”
From Problem-Solving to Value Creation
“AI isn’t just a tool for fixing problems—it’s a way to grow and extend what’s already working. By pairing the strengths of people and machines, businesses can unlock untapped potential and deliver results that weren’t possible before.
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Colin Savage
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Nov 28, 2024 • 31min
#82 Colin Savage: A Change Addict’s Quest Across Borders—From Canada to Japan and Beyond — Part Two
Part Two.
Welcome to a special three-part series with Colin Savage. we’ll dive into Colin’s fascinating journey as a self-proclaimed change addict turned change guru. Colin’s career spans continents, cultures, and industries—seven countries lived in, seven more seconded to, and projects in over 70 nations. From organizational transformation to personal reinvention, he’s mastered the art of embracing change and applying those lessons to life.
Here, we’ll explore the learning required for transformation—why Colin believes lifelong learning is outdated and skill stacking is the future. And finally, we’ll tackle AI, human intelligence, and why every one of us needs a personal AI strategy.
Buckle up—this one’s a ride!
Key Highlight of Our Interview:
The Kung Fu Panda Approach to Change
“Wise, measured, and reflective—the best change leaders channel their inner ‘Kung Fu Panda turtle.’ Fewer words, deeper thought, and a collective approach to charting the path forward. Because real insight comes when you listen more than you speak.”
Why Collective Decisions Matter
“Making life-altering changes isn’t a solo act. Consulting with those affected—be it family, colleagues, or friends—adds invaluable perspectives. Ignoring this step risks blind spots and unanticipated challenges that could have been addressed earlier.”
Lifelong Learning: The Good, the Bad, and the Outdated
“While lifelong learning emphasizes constant self-improvement, it often lacks focus. Simply chasing degrees, certifications, or skills without purpose can lead to a disjointed portfolio of knowledge. The real magic happens when learning is intentional and builds toward expertise.”
Skill Stacking as a Career Superpower
“Focused learning that combines seemingly unrelated skills can redefine your career trajectory. It’s not just about learning for the sake of it—it’s about intentionally connecting knowledge areas to create a broader, more adaptable toolkit for the future.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Colin Savage
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Nov 27, 2024 • 28min
#81 Colin Savage: A Change Addict’s Quest Across Borders—From Canada to Japan and Beyond — Part One
Part One.
Welcome to a special three-part series with Colin Savage. we’ll dive into Colin’s fascinating journey as a self-proclaimed change addict turned change guru. Colin’s career spans continents, cultures, and industries—seven countries lived in, seven more seconded to, and projects in over 70 nations. From organizational transformation to personal reinvention, he’s mastered the art of embracing change and applying those lessons to life.
Here, we’ll explore the learning required for transformation—why Colin believes lifelong learning is outdated and skill stacking is the future. And finally, we’ll tackle AI, human intelligence, and why every one of us needs a personal AI strategy.
Buckle up—this one’s a ride!
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Chasing Novelty vs. Finding Purpose
“It’s easy to leap into new opportunities just because they look exciting. But what’s the endgame? Without a deeper reason or plan, chasing novelty can leave you with unfinished experiences and a string of ‘almost-there’ moments. Purpose turns adventures into meaningful chapters.”
Addicted to Change: Thrill or Trap?
“Addiction to novelty isn’t inherently bad—it pushes boundaries and opens up opportunities. But unbridled chasing without reflection or completion risks shallow experiences. The key? Balancing the thrill of change with the discipline to extract value from every leap.”
Change as a Tool, Not a Fix
“Change for the sake of novelty often leads to dissatisfaction. Instead, approach change as a tool for growth, not a quick fix. Thoughtfully evaluate your motives, assess your readiness, and embrace change as a means to align with your purpose—not as an escape from discomfort.”
Japan: A Surprising Example of Measured Change
“Even in traditionally conservative cultures, like Japan’s life insurance industry, meaningful change can thrive. Success here came not from disruption but from careful planning, patience, and conversations that built consensus. Change, when handled thoughtfully, can flourish even in the most traditional environments.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Colin Savage
Chief Change Officer: Make Change Ambitiously.
Experiential Human Intelligence for Growth Progressives
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Nov 26, 2024 • 26min
#80 Jennifer Selby Long on Growing Beyond Office Politics: Breaking Free from Toxic Cultures That Follow You - Part Two
Part Two.
Ever left a toxic boss or workplace, hoping for a fresh start, only to land in the same chaos at your new job? It’s a frustratingly common cycle.
The truth is, office politics are everywhere. From power plays and subtle maneuvers to that colleague who always seems to win, navigating workplace dynamics can be exhausting.
In this two-part series, leadership expert Jennifer Selby Long joins me to unpack why office politics happen, how some people thrive in politically charged environments, and why others struggle. We’ll explore toxic cultures, power dynamics, and the hidden forces shaping your work life—and how to navigate them without losing yourself along the way.
Feeling stuck or burned out? These episodes are packed with relatable stories and actionable insights to help you take your next step forward.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Talent vs. Tactics: Why Performance Alone Doesn’t Guarantee Success
“In corporate environments, it’s often not the most skilled or hardworking employees who thrive—it’s those adept at navigating office politics. Top performers may drive results, but their brilliance can threaten insecure leaders, creating a system where political tact outshines true talent.”
The Right Culture for the Right Person
“Some thrive in competitive political environments; others find them draining. The key is identifying whether your personal interests align with the culture around you. The fit matters more than fighting a system that may not suit you.”
No Permanent Friends, No Permanent Enemies—Just Interests
“Drawing from the wisdom of Martin Luther King’s attorney, Clarence Jones: the game of politics is about aligning interests, not forging everlasting alliances. Understanding this can shift how you approach your workplace dynamics.”
Burnout and Disengagement: The Fallout of Neglecting Talent
“When talent is neither respected nor recognized, it creates a workplace rife with disengagement and burnout. Organizations lose not just individuals but the potential for meaningful progress, leaving behind a culture where playing the game matters more than delivering value.”
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Nov 25, 2024 • 26min
#79 Jennifer Selby Long on Growing Beyond Office Politics: Breaking Free from Toxic Cultures That Follow You - Part One
Part One.
Ever left a toxic boss or workplace, hoping for a fresh start, only to land in the same chaos at your new job? It’s a frustratingly common cycle.
The truth is, office politics are everywhere. From power plays and subtle maneuvers to that colleague who always seems to win, navigating workplace dynamics can be exhausting.
In this two-part series, leadership expert Jennifer Selby Long joins me to unpack why office politics happen, how some people thrive in politically charged environments, and why others struggle. We’ll explore toxic cultures, power dynamics, and the hidden forces shaping your work life—and how to navigate them without losing yourself along the way.
Feeling stuck or burned out? These episodes are packed with relatable stories and actionable insights to help you take your next step forward.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Finding Your Ally Among the Majority
“In political environments, success hinges on securing a powerful ally. Aligning your interests with theirs and elevating them as a leader in your cause is essential if you plan to stay and thrive in such an environment.”
When Conversations Clash, Progress Pauses
“Business meetings often default to task-focused debates where differing perspectives turn into verbal standoffs. Rarely do teams pause to acknowledge the conflict and approach it constructively, missing opportunities to uncover deeper understanding.”
No Permanent Friends, No Permanent Enemies—Just Interests
“Drawing from the wisdom of Martin Luther King’s attorney, Clarence Jones: the game of politics is about aligning interests, not forging everlasting alliances. Understanding this can shift how you approach your workplace dynamics.”
Assumptions: The Silent Saboteur
“Most conflicts arise not from genuine disagreement but from unchecked assumptions about others’ motives or goals. Pausing to clarify and validate these assumptions can eliminate a significant portion of perceived conflict.”
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Nov 24, 2024 • 24min
#78 Nellie Wartoft: The Chief Change Officer Behind Leaders and The McDonald’s Effect — Part Two
Part Two.
I’m joined by Nellie Wartoft, someone I like to call the chief change officer behind change leaders. Originally from Europe, she’s spent years in Asia—especially Singapore—working across cultures. Now based in the U.S., Nellie is the founder and CEO of Tiger Hall, a tech-driven platform helping organizations navigate change more effectively.
This is part two of a two-part series.
In these episodes, we’ll dive into navigating cultural differences across three regions, why most change initiatives fail, and how to set up for success. If you’ve ever struggled with change—whether in your career, company, or life—this series is for you.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Hating SharePoint and Finding a Better Way
“The inefficiency of tools like SharePoint highlighted a fundamental gap: employees struggling to align with HQ’s vision. Miscommunication bred resistance and fatigue, even when both sides had good intentions. The question arose—why can’t change communication be as engaging as social media or Spotify?”
The Universal Human Side of Change
“No matter where you are in the world, the human psyche reacts similarly to change—fear, chaos, uncertainty, and emotion are universal experiences. Change fatigue and resistance aren’t cultural anomalies; they’re deeply human responses shared across geographies.”
The Ego Factor: A Leadership Killer
“High-ego, high-fear leaders stifle transformation. They resist feedback, take criticism personally, and foster a top-down, do-as-I-say culture. Modern transformation demands collaborative leadership that embraces input, fosters trust, and thrives on dialogue—not outdated command-and-control styles.”
“Short-Term Results vs. Long-Term Vision”
“U.S. organizations prioritize quarterly results and trend-driven decisions, like the AI boom. Meanwhile, Asian companies often take a more measured, long-term approach, rooted in heritage and identity. Both approaches have their strengths but lead to vastly different paces of execution.”
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