

Chief Change Officer
Vince Chan
What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself?
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
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Feb 19, 2025 • 23min
#187 Mary Shea PhD: From Classical Music to Closing Deals—The Art of Reinventing Your Career – Part One
Mary Shea’s career is proof that you don’t have to stick to one soundtrack.
From a classical musician to a leading voice in sales leadership, she’s taken some bold risks—and in this first episode of a three-part series, she’s sharing the lessons she learned along the way.
As General Manager of Hire Quotient and former co-CEO of Mediafly, Mary is on a mission to amplify underrepresented voices and reshape sales leadership. With insights from her time at Forrester, she also dives into the digital transformation of sales and how creativity plays a bigger role in business than you might think.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Music to Business
“I started as a classical musician, playing with the Mexico City Philharmonic and Guadalajara Symphony. But when the career palette felt too small, I took a leap into business, changing my life forever.”
Sales: The Great Equalizer
“Sales is one of the few fields where hard work and skill can lead to financial independence, regardless of where you start. That independence allows you to make meaningful changes in your life and others’.”
Playing Catch-Up with Purpose
“Coming into the business world with a PhD put me 10 years behind my peers, but it also ignited a fire. I moved quickly, knowing every opportunity was critical to closing that gap.”
Creating the Playbook
“I’m not just about managing to a playbook—I love creating it. The intellectual stimulation of building strategies with teams and seeing them succeed is what drives me.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Mary Shea PhD
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 19, 2025 • 42min
#186 Irina Filippova: From Diplomacy in Russia to Decarbonization in the US
Irina Filippova has a knack for reinvention—first as a diplomat, then as an energy leader, and always as someone who dives headfirst into big challenges.
Born in Moscow to a nuclear scientist, she took a detour from atoms to alliances before landing at BP, where she’s now electrifying fleets and turning gas stations into sustainability hubs.
Change is her comfort zone, and with her signature mix of diplomacy, curiosity, and humor, she’s proving that career pivots can be both bold and brilliant.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Moscow Roots and Global Aspirations
“I grew up surrounded by science—my father was a nuclear scientist—but my passion was languages and cultures. Choosing diplomacy as a career was a bold step, especially for a woman in Moscow, but it opened doors to a world of possibilities.”
A Curiosity-Led Career Path
“My journey has been anything but linear. At 35, I realized I wasn’t drawn to the idea of a traditional career path. Instead, I wanted to explore different facets of energy, leading me from corporate giants to startups—and each step fueled my curiosity further.”
Turning the Lens Inward
“I initially focused on the need for external leaders to change, but studying psychology at the Carl Jung Institute revealed a profound truth: the change had to start within me. Only by addressing my own internal growth could I effectively guide others.”
Solving the Fleet Transition Equation
“Fleet owners face a daunting challenge: embracing electrification without losing focus on their core business. Our mission is to handle everything from sourcing energy to ensuring reliability, allowing them to electrify without added burdens.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Irina Filippova
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 18, 2025 • 37min
#185 Gagan Sandhu: From Mechanical Engineer to Money Engineer—Mastering Career Pivots & Financial Freedom — Part Two
What do you do when your career isn’t working? If you’re Gagan Sandhu, you rewrite the script.
From mechanical engineering in India to tech leadership at Square and Atlassian, he’s mastered career pivots, financial independence, and thriving in an ever-changing world. Now, as CEO and Co-Founder of Xillion, he’s helping others do the same. He unpacks the myths of financial freedom, tackles ageism in the workplace, and explains why modern careers require constant reinvention.
This is part two of a two-part series, offering a roadmap for navigating change, mastering skills, and living intentionally, no matter your stage in life.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Trap of Asset Rich, Cash Poor
“Financial independence isn’t about piling up assets like real estate without liquidity. It’s about understanding cash flow, compounding returns, and making smart investments tailored to your goals.”
Two Sides of the Same Coin
“Financial independence isn’t just about planning for tomorrow—it’s about defining today. The idea is to align your present choices with the freedom to pursue passions and live meaningfully.”
The Role of Finfluencers
“They offer quick tips and digestible content, often catering to a younger audience. But their motives can sometimes be tied to promotions—whether it’s a bank account or an investment product. Their advice might not always be impartial.”
A Balanced Perspective
“At Xillion, we take a different path. While we do share nuggets of wisdom on platforms like LinkedIn and TikTok, we focus on being our own voice of authority rather than relying on external influencers. This way, authenticity remains at the core of our brand.”
The 10-Year Career Mindset
“Careers aren’t linear 30-year paths anymore. Every decade or so, you need to rediscover yourself. I’ve done it multiple times—starting as a mechanical engineer, pivoting to programming, then management, and finally launching my own company. Reinvention is the new normal.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Gagan Sandhu
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 17, 2025 • 34min
#184 Gagan Sandhu: From Mechanical Engineer to Money Engineer—Mastering Career Pivots & Financial Freedom — Part One
What do you do when your career isn’t working? If you’re Gagan Sandhu, you rewrite the script.
From mechanical engineering in India to tech leadership at Square and Atlassian, he’s mastered career pivots, financial independence, and thriving in an ever-changing world. Now, as CEO and Co-Founder of Xillion, he’s helping others do the same. In Part One, we dive into reinvention, risk-taking, and why staying still is the real danger.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Machines to Tech: Chasing the Future
“The pace of innovation in mechanical engineering had slowed, but I was hungry for more. Transitioning into tech wasn’t straightforward—it took continents, years, and relentless effort, but it was fueled by a clear driver: knowledge.”
The Xillion Leap
“When my learning plateaued in corporate roles, starting Zillion became my next knowledge adventure. Building something from scratch offered an accelerated learning curve and the chance to apply everything I’d gathered.”
Business School: Filling the Gaps
“For me, business school wasn’t about a career leap; it was about plugging knowledge gaps. Understanding accounting, marketing, and finance became crucial to having meaningful conversations at work, even as a tech leader.”
Redefining Financial Independence
“It’s not about flashy buzzwords or retiring early—it’s about having the freedom to choose your path. For me, it meant leaving the corporate grind to build something meaningful, armed with a clear, numbers-driven plan.”
Crunching the Numbers
“My financial independence formula wasn’t guesswork. I calculated five years of living expenses, education costs, and retirement needs. It’s basic math, but staying on top of expenses and cash flow gave me the clarity to leap.”
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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Gagan Sandhu
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 17, 2025 • 29min
#183 Erika Ayers Badan: Why “No One Cares About Your Career” Might Be the Best Advice Yet – Part Two
Welcome back for Part Two with Erika Ayers Badan, CEO of Food52 and former CEO of Barstool Sports. In our last episode, we cracked open her debut book, No One Cares About Your Career, and explored why that’s actually good news.
Now, we shift gears. Erika gets personal—sharing the experiences that shaped her leadership style, her no-nonsense approach to handling toxic workplaces, and the real-world career advice she gives her own kids (because let’s be honest, the world they’re stepping into looks nothing like ours did).
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Blame It on the Parents? How Childhood Shaped a Love for Teaching and a Struggle with Authority
“I really love to teach. I think my parents, who were in education, gave me that. I also have a fairly strange relationship with authority. I think that also comes from my childhood.”
Do Titles Really Matter? Confessions of a CEO Who Once Cared A Lot
“I don’t really care about titles. It’s a little bit hypocritical because the CEO is a great title. I did care a lot about titles in the hustle years where I was really trying to advance. You should always endeavour to take on more than you had six months ago. Are you doing the same exact thing you did six months ago, without learning, or growing, or tripping on yourself, or taking on something you didn’t know exactly how to do?”
Why Failure Is a Good Thing: Tripping Over Yourself Is Part of the Plan
What’s Your Leadership Style? Finding the Balance Between Boss and Buddy
Toxic Workplace or Just a Bad Day? Getting Real About Fixing Office Culture
“I think that people throw the term toxic workplace around a lot. I’m not sure what it means anymore. I would try to spend as much time as I can to get specifics – what’s going on?”
Career Advice for My Teenage Kids: Balancing Business and Life Lessons
What’s Next After ‘No One Cares’? Teasing the Next Passion Project
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Erika Ayers Badan
______________________
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 16, 2025 • 33min
#182 Erika Ayers Badan: Why “No One Cares About Your Career” Might Be the Best Advice Yet – Part One
If Erika Ayers Badan’s book title, No One Cares About Your Career, made you do a double take—same here.
CEO of Food52 and former Barstool Sports exec, Erika has built an impressive career, but she’s not here to talk about her LinkedIn page. In Part One, we dig into her book, the lessons behind it, and five game-changing tips for workplace success. Then in Part Two, we step behind the curtain to explore leadership, workplace culture, and what career wisdom she’s passing on to the next generation.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Revisiting the Roots: A Walk Down Memory Lane to Discover the Past’s Impact on the Present
The Brutal Truth Behind ‘No One Cares About Your Career’—How Did Erika Land on That Mic-Drop of a Title?
"Nobody's coming to help you. It's up to you to save yourself, grow yourself, push yourself, teach yourself."
What Sparked the Inspiration Behind Writing the Book?
What Makes This Book a Game Changer in a Sea of Career Guides?
Who Is This Book Really For? Unpacking the Audience Behind the Pages
"Just because you went to Princeton doesn't mean you have to go work in finance. A lot of times people get caught up in what everyone else thinks they should do. That's the lore. What everyone else thinks they should be and the reality is that nobody's really thinking about you that much. You should do what makes you happy and tell everyone else to jump off a cliff."
30 Years, 5 Simple Lessons: How to Succeed at Work Without the Overwhelm
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Erika Ayers Badan
______________________
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 15, 2025 • 34min
#181 AI Can Screen Resumes, But It Can’t Spot Great Humans—Holly Bond Explains Why
Holly Bond, President of Facet Recruitment, is living proof that hiring is still a human game—no matter how fancy the tech gets.
From her days as a franchise owner to leading in the AI hiring era, she shares the real secrets to landing (or making) the perfect hire: build real relationships, take bold risks, and never let an algorithm do all the thinking. Tune in to hear how Holly blends experience, intuition, and a dash of humor to keep recruiting refreshingly human.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Focus Groups to Foundations
“When we launched Facets, we started with brutal honesty: focus groups full of blunt feedback about recruiters. We listened, and we built a company rooted in empathy and care.”
Breaking the Commission Chain
“Recruiting isn’t about commissions; it’s about people. I refused to return to a model where clients matter more than candidates. Instead, I built a team paid for their passion, not percentages.”
Catching What AI Misses
“If AI had done my recruitment, I would’ve slipped through the cracks. Boolean searches don’t see potential outside the box. Humans do. That’s why we look beyond traditional roles, exploring adjacent sectors for talent.”
Spotting the Unsung Stars
“A recruiter’s superpower? Seeing someone’s potential before they do. When I reached out to a candidate in her 60s, she couldn’t believe I meant her. But age? It’s just a number—wisdom wins every time.”
Putting Yourself Out There
“Take risks, be bold, and let people know what you’re looking for. Whether it’s an informational interview or a thoughtful message, putting yourself out there often leads to unexpected opportunities—sometimes even before the job officially exists.”
The True Value of a Strong Network
“A broad network isn’t just about advancing your career; it’s about helping others too. Being able to connect someone to the right opportunity or advice is the most rewarding part of building genuine, lasting relationships.”
_________________________
Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Holly Bond
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 15, 2025 • 32min
#180 Holly Bond: From Fitness Franchises to Entrepreneurial Faceplants
Holly Bond has lived every entrepreneur’s dream—and nightmare.
One minute, she’s celebrating a national TV feature for her children’s fitness franchise, and the next, she’s grappling with the harsh realities of running a business. Now, as President of Facet Recruitment, she’s using her hard-earned lessons to help others make bold career moves. Tune in as Holly gets real about taking risks, bouncing back, and why fear should never be the boss of you.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Highs and the Crash
“We sold 11 franchises, won awards, and partnered with an animation company to integrate exercise into kids’ shows. Then the 2009 recession hit, and it all came crashing down. But every tough moment was a lesson in resilience.”
From Local to Global Buzz
“After a single news segment, I came home to over 100 emails from people wanting franchises—from Canada to Dubai. It was surreal, exciting, and chaotic. I had to build the plane while flying it.”
Racing Against Time
“I’ve always felt like I’m running to catch up, maybe because I took 17 years to finish my degree or because my mom passed away at the age I am now. That sense of urgency—it’s hardwired into me.”
The Fear of Regret
“I don’t want to be 85 and look back saying, ‘I wish I’d done that.’ There’s so much to explore, so many industries to dive into. I just can’t imagine stopping.”
Reflection in Progress
“My son recently asked me, ‘Why can’t you just enjoy life?’ It’s a question I’m sitting with. Maybe it’s time to slow down, but for now, the drive to conquer still burns bright.”
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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Holly Bond
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 14, 2025 • 37min
#179 Vince Jeong: From Immigrant Hustle to EdTech Muscle in Corporate Learning
When two Vinces collide, expect more than just name confusion.
Vince Chan welcomes Vince Jeong, CEO of Sparkwise, to share his journey—from moving to a new country at 12 to revolutionizing corporate learning.
Vince J is on a mission to fix stale training programs and inject real human connection into the edtech space. What does that look like? Tune in for sharp insights, fresh ideas, and a game plan for the future of adult learning.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Immigrant Experience 101: Learning English and Rediscovering Myself at Age 12
Learning by Doing: The Best Way to Discover What You Really Want. Why Theorizing Only Gets You So Far.
“I’ve often found that you can only really discover and learn your true preferences by gaining first-hand experience. Theorizing only gets you so far.”
Bringing McKinsey’s Gold Standard to Everyone: The Spark Behind Creating an EdTech for Live Group Learning
“At McKinsey, people fought to get onto training programs. It was interactive, engaging, and team-based. I thought that’s what corporate training looked like everywhere—until I saw the difference in other organizations.”
From TV Host to Startup Boss: The Founder-Market Fit of Live Group Learning
“Throughout my life, I’ve just been involved in a lot of things that involve live groups. I used to be on TV in Korea, hosting live shows and facilitating conversations.”
Differentiation Value to Create: Scaling the Unscalable
"What we're doing is we're taking that experience that today can only be accessed by really privileged settings and making it much more accessible to many more people through technology."
Rebuilding Stronger Community: Foster Real Connections Beyond Social Media’s Shallow Bonds
“We create an environment where people solve problems together that are realistic but fictitious, which helps them engage deeply without having to be vulnerable from the get-go.”
Partners in Crime: Those Who Crave Rich Interactions or Scale Quality Learning at a Bargain
Turning Idle Content into Action: Beating AI with Human-to-Human Engagement for Deeper Learning
“There’s a lot of idle content out there today, and simply reading is rarely the best way for people to actually understand those concepts.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Vince Jeong
______________________
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Feb 14, 2025 • 26min
#178 Wayland Lum: From Art Supplies to Executive Boardrooms —The Art of Betting on Yourself
Wayland Lum didn’t climb the corporate ladder—he painted his own.
From art supplies to executive boardrooms, the CEO of Copperbox Leadership Advisory has mastered the art (literally) of leadership. With a career spanning Nvidia, Korn Ferry, and Chicago Booth, he’s here to prove that great leadership is less about knowing everything and more about trusting yourself. In this episode, he unpacks the power of authenticity, why courage beats perfection, and how betting on yourself can change your career—and your life.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Breaking Free from Prestige
“Leaving prestigious organizations for my own leadership practice wasn’t easy. Many stick to the comfort of a stable paycheck and a corporate name—but I felt called to something more.”
Why Modern Leadership Matters
“In a world of constant flux, leadership grounded in systemic and timeless principles offers the resilience and clarity needed to navigate both societal and business challenges.”
The Private Equity Sprint
“Private equity moves fast. Our work helps leaders in portfolio companies close leadership gaps quickly, aligning their capabilities with quarter-by-quarter business demands.”
Inspiration Starts Within
“To inspire others, you must first be inspired. Your energy, your spark, comes from operating with purpose—and trust me, people can tell if it’s there or not.”
The Wisdom of Acceptance
“Modern leadership is about accepting the full spectrum of emotions—joy, fear, grief, and love—and leading with a wisdom that reflects this understanding of human nature.”
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Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Wayland Lum
--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for
Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,
Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.
6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.
Global Top 3% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.
>>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.