

Chief Change Officer
Vince Chan
What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself?
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.
Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.
This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.
For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.
If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.
Our mission?
To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.
A better you is already unfolding.
130,000+ followers are outgrowing.
Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.
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Jul 5, 2025 • 31min
#417 Resa Lewiss MD: Building a Career with Both Hands — Part One
In Part One, Dr. Resa Lewiss reflects on the experiences that led her to emergency medicine, from early memories of gender inequity at the dinner table to the interdisciplinary studies that shaped her worldview. She shares why she chose a career in high-pressure medicine, how a love of procedures led her to ultrasound, and why teaching globally changed how she practices and leads.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Medicine Was a Calling, Not a Family Trade“I didn’t grow up around doctors. But from early on, medicine was in my bones.”Resa explains how her internal pull toward healthcare was stronger than any external influence.The First Fight for Fairness“My dad said, ‘Girls, clear the table.’ I said, ‘What about the boys?’”She recalls early moments that sparked her refusal to accept unequal expectations.Finding Her Fit in Emergency Medicine“Once I rotated in emergency, I thought—this is it. This is where I belong.”Resa describes the moment she discovered the dynamic, procedure-driven specialty she’d been looking for.The Power of a Liberal Arts Education“My literature and sociology classes made me a better doctor. They taught me empathy.”She shares how studying beyond science helped her connect more deeply with patients.Teaching Around the World“When I went to India, Rwanda, Jordan—these were not lectures. These were collaborations.”Why global teaching in ultrasound expanded her understanding of medicine and leadership._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Resa Lewiss MD --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jun 16, 2025 • 23min
#416 Sienna Jackson: Culture, Capital, and the Courage to Start Young — Part Two
Sienna Jackson, the CEO of Nortera.io, walks us through her unexpected shift from entertainment executive to impact strategist. In Part Two, Sienna Jackson dives deeper into the business of social impact—from why she walked away from Hollywood to how she’s now helping build one of Africa’s largest funding summits. She explains how impact is more than a buzzword—it’s a measurable, strategic discipline. Sienna shares how to bridge silos, build coalitions, and roll up your sleeves to help the helpers. From the boardroom to Ethiopia, she shows that real change isn’t about ego or noise—it’s about clarity, community, and execution.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Off-Ramp to Impact“I didn’t have a master plan. I just started doing small things—bought a domain, formed an LLC, sent one email: ‘I’m doing social impact now.’ That was the pivot.”You Can’t Improve What You Don’t Measure“Impact is the net positive change rendered as a direct and material result of your actions. If you can’t model it, predict it, or quantify it—it’s just branding.”Culture, Cause, Capital“My work lives at the intersection of culture, cause, and capital. You need all three to drive sustainable, global change.”Building a Real Profession“We don’t have a bar association or CPA license for impact work. That’s a problem. I’m creating a survey to start defining our industry.”Don’t Silo—Build Coalitions“You have to speak multiple professional languages. That’s how you bring nonprofit leaders and private sector players into the same room—and actually get something done.”Help the Helpers“If you feel overwhelmed, find the people already solving the problem—and ask how you can contribute. That’s how real change starts.”___________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sienna Jackson
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jun 16, 2025 • 31min
#415 Sienna Jackson: Culture, Capital, and the Courage to Start Young — Part One
Sienna Jackson’s career began fast and early—college at 14, internships with The Weinstein Company, and leadership roles in the entertainment industry by her twenties. But behind the résumé was someone quietly questioning the rules of success. In Part One, Sienna shares how a childhood of contradictions, an early taste of toxic power, and a deep sense of cultural responsibility led her to rethink everything.She didn’t just pivot—she designed a new model where impact isn’t a bonus, it’s the baseline.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Piano Lessons to Policy Debates“I was born into a family where both Chopin and Noam Chomsky were dinner table topics.”How her childhood shaped a unique blend of creativity, intellect, and global curiosity.College at 14, Hollywood by 17“I was eager—but also uneasy. I knew I was being shaped by systems I didn’t yet understand.”The rush of early opportunity—and its hidden costs.Power Without Guardrails“I learned very quickly that intelligence didn’t guarantee safety.”What she witnessed inside the entertainment industry—and how it changed her.Walking Away From the Dream“I had to ask: Is this ladder leaning against the right building?”Why she left behind a promising executive path to build something better.What Stays, What Goes“I kept the parts of me that loved storytelling. I let go of the ones that craved approval.”The beginnings of her journey toward purpose-driven entrepreneurship.___________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sienna Jackson
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jun 16, 2025 • 28min
#414 Jevon Wooden: From the Military to Mindset Mastery — Part Two
From facing seven years in prison at 17 to leading soldiers in Afghanistan, Jevon Wooden’s story is more than a redemption arc—it’s about owning your power the moment you realize you’ve still got one.In Part Two, Jevon gets tactical. He breaks down the frameworks behind his coaching work—from redefining confidence, to managing emotional triggers, to the underrated power of setting non-negotiables. We talk inner dialogue, identity shifts, and what it means to actually “own your kingdom.”This isn’t just mindset—it’s method. And it’s built on real scars, not theory.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Confidence Isn’t Loud“Confidence isn’t ‘I know everything.’ It’s knowing you can figure it out.”Why true confidence starts with humility—not bravado.Triggers Are Teachers“If something sets you off, it’s pointing to a wound. Not the world.”How to decode your emotional responses instead of avoiding them.From Victim to Victor“You don’t need to wait for closure. You get to choose the story you tell yourself.”How Jevon reclaimed his narrative after being wrongfully accused.The ‘Own Your Kingdom’ Philosophy“Your kingdom is your mind, your energy, your space. Guard it like royalty.”What leadership looks like when it starts from within.When to Say No“If it doesn’t align with your purpose, it’s a distraction—no matter how good it sounds.”The power of non-negotiables in building a life by design._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jevon Wooden
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jun 16, 2025 • 26min
#413 Jevon Wooden: From the Military to Mindset Mastery — Part One
Before Jevon Wooden became a business coach, author, and speaker, he was a 17-year-old on trial—facing up to seven years in prison. In Part One, Jevon shares how that moment became the turning point that led him to the military, and how the battlefield taught him about clarity, purpose, and emotional control.This isn’t just a story about second chances—it’s about deciding who gets to write your next chapter.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Moment Everything Changed“I was 17, on trial, and scared out of my mind. That’s when I realized—I had to make a choice.”The day that forced Jevon to take back control of his story.Discipline with Direction“The military gave me structure. But more importantly, it gave me a reason to use that structure.”Why accountability means more when it’s personal.Clarity Is a Weapon“You need to know who you are before you can lead anyone else.”How the battlefield shaped his inner compass.The Power of Emotional Control“I couldn’t afford to break down. Not in the middle of a mission.”What combat taught him about staying steady when everything else isn’t.Redefining Masculinity“We were taught to suppress everything. But real strength is being able to handle your emotions, not hide them.”Jevon’s take on emotional intelligence, especially for men of color._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jevon Wooden
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jun 13, 2025 • 29min
#412 Mark Bayer: From Ivory Tower to Power Play — Helping PhDs Get Heard (and Hired) — Part Two
You’ve got the credentials, the data, and the ideas. But how do you make people actually care?In Part Two, Mark unpacks his 11 Keys to Translating Complexity (complexitymadeclear.com) —an actionable framework to help scientists communicate clearly, concisely, and with impact. He explains why it’s not about dumbing down your message but lifting it up so others can meet it. From the science of metaphor to the neuroscience of attention, Mark arms PhDs with tools to shift from overlooked to influential—without losing their intellectual edge.This episode is your field guide to getting heard, hired, and respected beyond the ivory tower.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The 11 Keys That Cut Through“People aren’t persuaded by volume. They’re moved by clarity.”Why precision—and not more PowerPoint slides—is your best communication strategy.Neuroscience for Nerds (And Everyone Else)“Our brains reward novelty. That’s why metaphor works better than math in a pitch.”How attention works, and what science communicators can learn from it.PhDs Speak Another Language—Here’s How to Translate“You’re crossing cultures. Treat it like that.”Why business communication isn’t just a tone shift—it’s a worldview shift.Connection Before Communication“Until someone trusts you, they won’t hear you.”The hidden role of empathy in making technical ideas land.AI Has Data. You Have Voice.“AI can’t tell a story it hasn’t seen. You can.”Why human communication still matters more than ever in a post-ChatGPT world._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Mark Bayer
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jun 13, 2025 • 29min
#411 Mark Bayer: From Ivory Tower to Power Play — Helping PhDs Get Heard (and Hired) — Part One
Before founding Bayer Strategic Consulting, Mark Bayer led communications on Capitol Hill for nearly two decades—helping politicians cut through noise, make arguments stick, and win support under pressure. These days, he brings that hard-earned clarity to a new crowd: scientists, researchers, and PhDs who need to get their message across in rooms that don’t speak science.In Part One, Mark unpacks why so many highly educated experts still struggle to connect—and why messaging isn’t about making things simpler, but sharper. He shares stories from Congress, contrasts the cultures of academia and advocacy, and reveals the single most important mindset shift for researchers who want to be heard.Key Highlights of Our Interview:First Day in Politics, First Misunderstanding“I thought ‘R&D’ meant research and development. It meant Republicans and Democrats.”What getting thrown into the deep end of political culture taught him about insider language.The 8% Reality Check“Only 8% of PhDs stay in academia. But the training assumes 100% will.”Why the pipeline is broken—and who’s getting left behind.From Data Dump to Message Discipline“Academics want to show the depth of their knowledge. But the real skill is answering the question in front of you.”How political strategy flips the communication playbook.Beauty Doesn’t Equal Buy-In“You can build something beautiful. But if it doesn’t solve a stakeholder’s problem, it won’t land.”Why relevance trumps brilliance.You’ve Got 10 Seconds“Start with the point. Don’t make them dig for it.”Why headlines—not history lessons—open doors.Communication as a Career Lever“This isn’t soft stuff. It’s the stuff that gets you hired.”How learning to communicate is learning to lead._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Mark Bayer
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jun 12, 2025 • 42min
#410 Sande Golgart: Climbing the Wrong Mountain — Part Two
After decades of chasing external wins, Sande Golgart decided to stop running. In Part Two, he shares the uncomfortable, intentional work of stepping back—what it took to unplug from achievement addiction and start redesigning a life that fits from the inside out.This isn’t a story about reinvention through ambition. It’s a blueprint for growth through subtraction: less noise, more clarity; fewer roles, deeper connection; no hustle, just truth. From mending his marriage to redefining success, Sande opens up about what he calls “Life Peels”—and why letting go is the new way up.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Listening Over Learning“I wasn’t trying to fix anything. I just got quiet and listened.”**Sande explains how stepping back from self-optimization gave him the clarity he had missed for years.The Life Peels Method“David was always in the marble. Michelangelo just removed what wasn’t him.”**He introduces his philosophy of growth by subtraction—peeling away the excess to uncover what truly fits.When Growth Isn’t More“I’ve had enough of strategy decks and hero stories. I want to feel ease in my own skin.”**Why he redefined ambition not as stacking wins but as feeling aligned, grounded, and whole.Relearning Partnership“When the noise died down, we both realized we’d never had stillness before.”**How the transition to an empty nest revealed unspoken gaps in his marriage—and led to new connection.Letting Life Lead“I used to control everything. Now I just pay attention—and things unfold better than I planned.”**What happened when he stopped pushing for outcomes and started trusting the process._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sande Golgart
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jun 12, 2025 • 34min
#409 Sande Golgart: Climbing the Wrong Mountain — Part One
Before he became a coach and founder, Sande Golgart was addicted to acceleration. He said yes to every challenge, thrived in high-stakes boardrooms, and made a name for himself as a relentless performer. But behind the energy and accolades, something didn’t sit right.In Part One, Sande retraces his early life as a dunk contest champion, his rise through the corporate ranks, and the moment he realized the game he was winning wasn’t one he wanted to keep playing. What started as hustle became habit. What looked like progress felt like pressure. And what came next was a reckoning.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Playing to Win—Even in a Suit“I approached sales the same way I approached dunk contests: high energy, no fear, go all in.”How a competitive spirit helped Sande rise fast—but also masked the cost.Yes Man Syndrome“I never said no. I didn’t even know what no sounded like.”Why overcommitment isn’t ambition—it’s avoidance in disguise.Movement as a Mask“As long as I kept moving, I didn’t have to think. Stillness scared the hell out of me.”When action becomes a coping mechanism, not a strategy.The Wrong Summit“You keep pushing for the top, then get there and realize… it’s not your mountain.”Sande explains the disorienting moment that sparked his pivot.Forgotten Self“I knew my job title. I knew my revenue targets. But I couldn’t tell you what I liked.”How busyness blurred his sense of identity—and what came next._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sande Golgart
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jun 6, 2025 • 25min
#408 Jodi Silverman: When the Kids Grow Up, But You’re Just Getting Started — Part Two
Jodi Silverman never expected reinvention to arrive between carpools and client meetings. But once her kids left and the hustle paused, she realized success had masked something deeper: restlessness. In Part 2, Jodi shares the emotional (and practical) shift from parenting full-time to rediscovering your own interests. She walks us through her signature DARE Method and dishes out real talk on marriage, identity, and why your kids aren’t your best friends (even if you really, really like them).This isn’t just an episode about empty nests. It’s about refilling your own life—on your own terms.Key Highlights of Our Interview:“You’re always their mom—but not always their problem-solver.”Letting go means shifting from fixer to coach, giving your adult kids space—and yourself permission to grow.Best Friend? Nope. Mom Forever.“They have friends. What they need is a parent who actually knows when to walk away.”Jodi explains why clinging to closeness can backfire—and how healthy detachment brings deeper connection.The Real Empty Nest Challenges“It’s not just missing them. It’s not knowing who you are without them.”It’s not about quiet halls—it’s about a loud identity crisis. Jodi breaks down the emotional vacuum no one warns you about.The DARE Method“Decide. Awaken. Reimagine. Experience.”Jodi’s four-step formula to reclaim your identity—starting with a brain dump, not a five-year plan.Rediscovering You“What did you used to like—before you were someone’s plus one?”She urges listeners to list lost joys, try without judgment, and welcome failure as a doorway to rediscovery.Day Swaps, Not Date Nights“Plan a day around what lights them up. You’ll learn more than any heart-to-heart.”From partners to adult children, this method rebuilds connection through shared experiences and mutual curiosity._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jodi Silverman
--Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.