

Working Class Audio
Working Class Audio
The Working Class Audio Podcast pulls back the curtain on the professional recording world. Host and audio engineer Matt Boudreau talks with guests from music, film, games, restoration, and beyond—diving into their real-world journeys. No fluff, just honest conversations about the wins, losses, money, collaboration, and survival strategies that define a career in audio. It's recording life from a working class perspective.
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Jul 1, 2024 • 1h 7min
WCA #498 with Jacob Winik - Gillman Street Experiences, Improving Live Sound, Tiny Telephone, Improved Quality of Life, and Cosmic Standard
My guest today is Jacob Winik, the COO, Technical Director, and Sound Designer at Cosmic Standard, an audio production company he co-founded with his wife, Eliza Smith, in January 2020. Jacob has collaborated on projects with TED, Patagonia, Dropbox, KQED, Samantha Crain, Meernaa, Doe Eye, and Steep Ravine. He previously worked as an audio engineer at Tiny Telephone in San Francisco.In this episode, we discuss
Bay Area Upbringing
Parents' Musical Influence
Early Punk Music
Divorce Sparks Punk Interest
Gillman Street Experiences
Technology at Home
Early Instruments
School Band Reluctance
Discovering DIY Punk
College Band Experience
House Shows in College
Obsessed with Music Making
Improving Live Sound
Early Recording Awareness
DIY Recording at Gillman
First Demo Recording
College Film Studies
Pursuit of Music Recording
Internship at The Compound
Learning Basic Recording Skills
Building Client Relationships
Internship at Fantasy Studios
Analog Tape Recording Challenges
Journey Recording Experience
Interning with Magic Magic Orchestra
John Vanderslice
Studio Setup at Tiny Telephone
Transition to Professional Engineer
Hands-on Learning with Tape
Podcast Company Formation
Balancing Overhead Costs
Scalable Team Structure
Remote Work Adaptation
Handling Pandemic Challenges
Client Training Remotely
Improved Quality of Life
Building Client Relationships
Matt's Rant: Moving Through Your Audio Career with Blinders OnLinks and Show Notes
Cosmic Standard
John Vanderslice on WCA
Credits
Guest: Jacob Winik
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jun 24, 2024 • 60min
WCA #497 with Danny Reisch - Dallas Childhood Memories, Back to the Future, Daytrotter Sessions, Austin Music Scene, Moving to LA, and Making Records on Cassette 8 Tracks.
My guest today is Los Angeles-based Producer/Mixer/Engineer/Drummer Danny Reisch, who has worked on projects for Local Natives, Dirty Projectors, Khruangbin, Barns Courtney, White Denim, Other Lives, Shearwater, Sun June, Tele Novella, Intocable, Halo video game ( last 3 seasons), The Green Knight score (a24), Disney Peter Pan score, Interview With The Vampire score, Willie Nelson, Ed Sheeran, Lizzo, The Zombies, Counting Crows, Jimmy Cliff, Father John Misty and many more.In this episode, we discuss
Dallas Childhood Memories
Early Band Experiences
Four Track Beginnings
Michael Jackson Obsession
Back to Future Influence
Supportive Creative Family
Unique School Experience
Discipline
College Music Degree
Early Audio Awareness
Atmos Mixing Insights
Texas State University
Touring and College Life
Sound Design Job
Band Experiences Takeaways
Respect for Bands
Working with Passionate Clients
Good Danny's Studio Journey
Early Studio Challenges
Austin Music Scene
Daytrotter Sessions Impact
South by Southwest Frenzy
Live Recording Skills
Move to Los Angeles
Pandemic Mixing Shift
Film Score Mixing
Financial Ecosystem Differences
LA Studio Setup Challenges
John Congleton's Advice
Matt's Rant: What If?Links and Show Notes
Danny on Instagram
John Congelton on WCA
Credits
Guest: Danny Reisch
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jun 17, 2024 • 1h 9min
WCA #496 with Don Zientara - Historical Significance, Studio Relocation, Curated Gear Choices, Surfing, and Staying Young, and Back to the Basement Where It All Started
My guest today is the return of producer/engineer/mixer Don Zientara. Don has been highly influential in the D.C. hardcore music scene for over 30 years for his work with iconic punk and rock bands, including Fugazi, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Jawbox, and The Evens. His contributions have been pivotal in shaping the sound of many Dischord Records artists.In this episode, we discuss
Studio Relocation
New Basement Setup
Historical Recordings
Studio Gear Changes
Analog to Digital Shift
Compact Studio Space
Recording Challenges and Success
Microphone Selection Strategy
Digital Console Benefits
Outboard Gear Preferences
Lower Overhead Costs
Promotion and Clientele
Reflection on Studio History
Neighborhood and Noise Management
Surfing and Staying Young
Selective Project Choices
Client Reactions
Control and Live Room Setup
Communication in Studio
Evolution of Punk Scene
Consistent Studio Rates
Historical Significance
Industry Perception
Matt's Rant: Beginning the JourneyLinks and Show Notes
Don on WCA #106
Don Zientara's Biography: Wikipedia
Inner Ear Studio: Inner Ear Studio Official Website
Rights of Spring: Rights of Spring - Wikipedia
Credits
Guest: Don Zientara
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jun 10, 2024 • 1h 9min
WCA #495 with Elliot Vaughan - City of Black Sabbath, Music In the House, Mission Impossible Night, and Persistent Learning
My guest today is Bristol, UK-based producer and mixer Elliot Vaughan, who has worked on projects by Frank Turner, Jason Ringenberg, Spunge, Ugly Kid Joe, Sonic Boom 6, The Wildhearts, Masca, and Hectares. Elliot is also an MPG Awards 2024 Breakthrough Producer Of The Year Nominee.In this episode, we discuss
Bristol
Miles to Kilometers Conversion
City of Black Sabbath
Birmingham Heavy Metal Roots
Born Near John Bonham
Mom's Bank to Nurse Career
Dad's Ever-Changing Jobs
Peacefully Divorced Parents
Music In the House
Piano Practice
Hated Old Piano Teacher
Drum Lessons to Escape Math
Parents' Divorce Silver Lining
Drums vs Piano
Early Band Touring Adventures
Recording Studio Misfit
Mission Impossible Night
Pro Tools Learning Struggles
Band Tour Realization Moment
Day Job at Museum
Begging for Studio Time
Faked Experience for Bands
Building Reputation
Persistent Learning
Matt's Rant: Change of HeartLinks and Show NotesElliots siteCredits
Guest: Elliot Vaughan
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jun 3, 2024 • 1h 37min
WCA #494 with Aaron C Schroeder - Battle of the Bands, Palm Pilot Payment, Recording a Scene, and The Return to Physical Goods
My guest today is Producer/Engineer Aaron C Schroeder, who has worked on projects for Willie Nelson, Hotegaia, Hallows, Arden Leas, Sharkie, Coasthouse Materials, and Hollow Earth Radio.In this episode, we discuss
Texas Upbringing
Roller Blading & Silverchair
Battle of the Bands
Early Recording Experiments
Recording School
Studio Watchdog
Recording Willie Nelson
Palm Pilot Payment
Recording at Home
Mell Dettmer
Moving to Seattle
Working In a Gay Porn Store
Recording a Scene
Landlord Challenges
Recording in A Former Strip Club
Running a Basement Studio
The Fugazi Ethos
Don Zientara
Diversification of Audio
Podcasting Gigs
The Return to Physical Goods
Patreon Page
Audio for Film
Business Manager Role
Chuck Vanderbilt
Matt's Rant: Not Missing Out on LifeLinks and Show Notes
Jacob Sciba on WCA #263
Steve Chadie on WCA #245 / #487
Alan Evans on WCA #133 /#328
The Altec Bird Cage
Aaron's Patreon
Aaron's Site
Credits
Guest: Aaron C Schroeder
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

May 27, 2024 • 1h 39min
WCA #493 with William Garrett - Stereo Under the Stairs, Tossing X-Rays, After Hours Recording, Producing for Spotify, Hugging Smokey Robinson, and Burt Bacharach's Jacket
My guest today is Producer, Engineer & Mixer William Garrett. William has worked with a LARGE amount of people! That's includes Esperanza Spalding, Grouplove, John Legend, The Head and the Heart, Migos, Zara Larsson, The Shins, Max Richter, Sting, Ed Sheeran, Zac Brown Band, Rascal Flatts, TLC, Arcade Fire, Miley Cyrus, Norah Jones, Kelly Clarkson, Jennifer Lopez, The National, Greta Van Fleet, St. Vincent, Iron & Wine, Luke Combs, Jack White, The Raconteurs, Cyndi Lauper, John Cale, Conor Oberst, New Kids On The Block, Michael Monroe, Jennifer Lopez, John Waite, Slayer, Brandi Carlile, Def Leppard, Tony Bennett, Diana Krall, Shawn Mendes, Mac Miller, Elton John, Yo-Yo Ma, Michael Bublé, Jon Batiste, Vampire Weekend, Carly Rae Jepsen, Alicia Keys, The Lumineers, Alanis Morissette, Black Pumas, James Blake, Finneas, Arlo Parks, Shania Twain, Avril Lavigne, Samara Joy, Molly Tuttle, and Margot Price........to name a few! In this episode, we discuss
Winston Salem, North Carolina
Tobacco Leaves
A Great Childhood
Stereo Under the Stairs
Early Musical Influences
Wipeout!
Playing Coffee Houses
Tossing X-Rays
Sound on Sound Recording
Boarding School in Maine
The World of Jingles
Nashville Sessions
Political Science and Economics
Berklee College of Music
Networking
Working as a Janitor
Driving Cabs on the Side
Burt Bacharach's Jacket
Tape Copy Guy
Alpha Media Records
After Hours Recording
House Sound Guy
Recording band Demos
The Norah Jones Story
Changing Technology
Presence and Perseverance
Jolly Automatic
Slayer
The Black Crowes
Rick Ruben
Ed Stasium
George Drakoulius
Hugging Smokey Robinson
Producing Artists for Spotify
Getting Laid Off
Going back to Freelance
Being Grateful
Matt's Rant: Going the Extra MileLinks and Show Notes
William on Linkedin
William on Instagram
William's Linktree
Credits
Guest: William Garrett
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

May 20, 2024 • 1h 2min
WCA #492 with Toby Campen - Mastering Mindset, Switching Lanes, Keeping Rates Up, Human Interaction, and Taking Care of Yourself
My guest today is Mastering Engineer Toby Campen, based in Brighton, UK, who has worked with Black Pines, Everyday Saints, The Endearing, Young Empress, Thorisson, Bekimachine, Rodney Cromwell, Daniel Hugh, Gemma Cullingford, The Droppers Neck, and Pixelstorm.In this episode, we discuss
Growing up in Essex
Recording His Band
Crappy College Studio
Liner Note Reading
Recording Local Bands
Book Heavy Recording Classes
Archiving
Mixing for Film and TV
Mastering Mindset
Switching Lanes
Setting Up a Business
Going Part Time
Help From Wierd Jungle
Inspiration from Justin Perkins
Inspiration from Glenn Schick
Early Mistakes
Keeping Rates Up
Travis Ference
AI Considerations
Getting Clients
The Tube
Human Interaction
Social Media Messaging
Audio Minimalism
Taking Care of Yourself
Standup/Sit Down
Production Expert
Matt's Rant: Net 30 and BeyondLinks and Show NotesTobyCampen.comCredits
Guest: Toby Campen
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

May 13, 2024 • 1h
WCA #491 with Bruno Barcella - Brothers Influence, Attraction of Tape, Laundry Room Recording, Importance of Family, and Music in Sarnico, Italy
My guest today is Producer/ Recording and Mixing Engineer Bruno Barcella, based in Sarnico, Italy, who has worked with The Peawees, Bee Bee Sea, Faz Waltz, The Manges, Dahlmanns, Kurt Baker, Gluts, The Apers, Freez, and Zatopeks.In this episode, we discuss
Sarnico, Italy
Brothers Influence
American Music
Playing Drums
Recording in Middle School
Punk Rock Bands
The Attraction of Tape
Sense of Community
Vasco Rossi
60's Girl Groups
Power Pop
Laundry Room Recording
Becoming a Studio Partner
Mixing at Home
Big Tree Studio
Live Sound
The Weird Jungle Influence
Trading Sticks for Faders
Importance of Family
Grumpy Live Sound People
Rates
Steve Albini
Matt's Rant: Reflecting on Steve AlbiniLinks and Show Notes
Steve Albini on WCA
MX80 Sound (mentioned in Rant)
Bruno's Site
Bruno's Collective
https://wildhoneyrecords.bandcamp.com/
Big Tree Studio
Weird Jungle
Credits
Guest: Bruno Barcella
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

May 6, 2024 • 1h 27min
WCA #490 with Joe Bagale, AKA Otis McDonald - Music with Family, San Francisco, The Creation of Otis McDonald, Hyde Street Studios, Pandemic Recording, and Working 9-5
My guest today is artist, producer, engineer, mixing, and mastering engineer Joe Bagale, AKA Otis McDonald, who has worked with Aloe Blacc, DJ Jazzy Jeff, Eric Krasno, King Canyon, Nicholas Payton, Son Little, Nigel Hall, and Adam Deitch.In this episode, we discuss
Growing up in Rochester
Music Teacher Dad
Attic Studio
Music with Family
Playing Drums
Bill Clinton on Sax
Recording Lessons from Dad
Home Recording
Steve Gadd
Eastman School of Music
Moving to San Francisco
Intro to Pro Tools
Coast Recorders
Jazz Mafia
Connecting the Dots
Becoming a Producer
Micky Hart Band
YouTube Library
Identity Crisis
The Creation of Otis McDonald
Facebook Sound Collection
Pandemic
Royalties
Song a Week
Hyde Street Studios
Working 9-5
The New Music Industry
Financial Philosophy
Pandemic Recording
Matt's Rant: Another Habit TalkLinks and Show Notes
From Matt's Rant Mike Seniors Multitracks
Joe's Site
Sebastian Richard on WCA
Michael Romanowski on WCA
Alberto Hernandez on WCA
Alan Evans on WCA
Nino Moschella on WCA
Pedal mentioned in interview
Credits
Guest:
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Apr 29, 2024 • 1h 8min
WCA #489 with BZ Lewis - Big Spring, TX, Tumbleweed Smith, Outlier Status, Prophetic Dreams, and The Yellow Page Crowd
My guest today is Composer/Producer/Engineer BZ Lewis who has worked on projects for Blame Sally, Roberta Flack, MTV, Microsoft, Mapplethorpe, World Poker Tour, Dateline, All My Children, The Shield, and Guitar Hero to name just a few. In this episode, we discuss
The Origin of BZ
Big Spring, TX
Tumbleweed Smith
Reel to Reel Duplication
Outlier Status
David Koresh
UT Austin
Guilt Over Leaving Music
Prophetic Dreams
Starting a Production Company
Making a Movie
Moving From Texas
Easily Digital Audio
Riding a Bike
San Francisco Studio
Working in a Mall Music Store
Media Creature
Luck
POPTUNA
Company Splits
Working with New Beginners
Music Libraries
Saving Early
Frugal Living
Work-Life Balance
Yellow Page Crowd
Matt's Rant: Taking the Weekend OffLinks and Show Notes
BZ's Site
BZ's Dad's Site
Credits
Guest: BZ Lewis
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith