
Working Class Audio
Peel back the glamour of the professional recording world. Guests from the world of audio for music, film, games, restoration, and more share their insights on how they made their journey, how they survive, their advice on the real things including wins, losses, working with other people, money, and career advice. Hosted by audio engineer Matt Boudreau.The Working Class Audio Podcast - Navigating the World of Recording with a working class perspective.
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Sep 23, 2024 • 1h 17min
WCA #510 with Steve Lack- Freedom In Podcasting, Freelance Journey Shifts, Midlife Career Pivot, Seinfeld, and Working from a Sailboat
In this engaging discussion, Steve Lack, a seasoned audio post-production expert and podcaster, shares insights from his diverse journey, including work with iconic shows like Seinfeld. He highlights the freedom that podcasting offers, allowing him to work remotely from a sailboat. Steve reflects on his midlife career pivot, the evolution of the industry post-pandemic, and the rise of independent creators. With fascinating anecdotes, he emphasizes the importance of strong client relationships and the need for adaptability in the ever-changing audio landscape.

Sep 16, 2024 • 1h 23min
WCA #509 with Alberto de Icaza- Mastering, Cash Flow Management, From Mexico to New Jersey, to Texas, Client Relations, and Crashing His Car
Alberto de Icaza, a mastering engineer who transitioned from metal bands to audio mastery, shares his fascinating journey from Mexico City to Austin, Texas. He discusses the challenges of the music industry, including navigating cash flow and client relationships shaped by word-of-mouth. Alberto highlights the impact of AI on his work and emphasizes the importance of being adaptable in evolving audio technology. Personal anecdotes, including a car crash that reshaped his priorities, add depth to his insights on maintaining balance in a creative career.

Sep 9, 2024 • 1h 13min
WCA #508 with Cesar Mejia – Navigating Post-COVID Teaching, Balancing Studio Ownership, Diversifying Income Streams, Expanding Shelter Studios, and Longtime Collaboration with Herbie Hancock
In this episode of Working Class Audio, host Matt Boudreau welcomes back Cesar Mejia, a longtime friend of the podcast, to discuss his continued journey as an educator, studio owner, and audio professional. Cesar, first featured in episode #117 back in 2017, shares his experiences navigating the post-pandemic world, teaching the next generation of musicians, and balancing life at his studio, Shelter Studios.In This Episode, We Discuss:
Cesar Mejia's Return to Podcast: Reflecting on his first appearance in 2017, episode 117, and discussing his journey.
Teaching Post-COVID: Cesar talks about teaching at Cal State Dominguez Hills and Whittier College, highlighting changes in student mentality and the shift in teaching due to the pandemic.
Students' Musical Preferences: Discussing the differences between students at Dominguez Hills, who are more electronic-focused, and those at Whittier, who are often acoustic musicians.
Shelter Studios and Family Property: Cesar's studio, Shelter Studios, is located on family property that he inherited. He is working on possibly expanding the space while keeping the studio comfortable and home-like.
Balancing Expansion and Stability: Conversations about the benefits of expanding the studio or staying in the current location and the importance of financial stability.
Wiring and Additional Gigs: In addition to teaching and studio work, Cesar occasionally takes on wiring gigs for other studios, keeping his income diversified.
Collaboration with Herbie Hancock: Cesar continues to work with Herbie Hancock, especially on tours post-COVID, and handles audio tasks such as mixing stems for live performances.
Matt's Rant: Being in AssetLinks and Show Notes
The Shelter Studios
The Shelter on Instangram
WCA Episode #117 with Cesar Mejia
Credits
Guest: Cesar Mejia
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Sep 2, 2024 • 1h 17min
WCA #507 with Ebonie Smith - Memphis Upbringing, Education, Atlantic Records, Administrative Proficiency, and Multitasking As A Necessity
My guest for this episode is Producer/Engineer/ Composer Ebonie Smith, who currently holds the esteemed roles of senior audio engineer and producer at Atlantic Records. Ebonie has worked on projects for The Hamilton Cast Album, Janelle Monae, Sturgill Simpson, and Jason Mraz.In This Episode, We Discuss:
Memphis Upbringing and Tri-State Area
Radio and Musical Influences
Transition from Sports to Music
College Struggles and Musical Pursuit
Technological Fascination and Audio
Barnard College Audio Tech Job
Pursuit of Music Technology
Parental Expectations vs. Music
NYU and Advanced Music Studies
Career Start at Atlantic Records
Evolution from Editing to Producing
Hamilton Cast Recording Involvement
Creating an Incubator Program
Move to Los Angeles Decision
Differences Between NYC and LA
Atlantic Records Role Transformation
Producing Unique Label Projects
Challenges in the Music Industry
Importance of Administrative Proficiency
Balancing Multiple Creative Roles
A Continuing Passion for Audio
Multitasking Is a Necessity
Full Control of the Signal Chain
Matt's Rant: Making Opportunity For YourselfLinks and Show NotesEbonie's SiteCredits
Guest: Ebonie Smith
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Aug 26, 2024 • 1h 19min
WCA #506 with Wesley Heaton & Kamaron Lockwood – Studio Resilience, DIY Spaces, Live Sound Lessons, Gear Overload, And Lessons From Their First Studio Fiasco
My guests today are Wesley Heaton and Kameron Lockwood, producers, engineers, and mixers from Indianapolis, Indiana. They are studio partners at Holy Ground Productions and have extensive live sound experience working with bands like Bingo Boys, Skeletonwitch Rituaal, and Pillars.In this episode, we discuss:
Studio Location And Name
Early Friendship Timeline
Growing Up Experiences
Meeting Through Audio
Live Sound Frustrations
Musical Background Origins
Gear Acquisition Journey
First Paid Recordings
Studio Environment Challenges
DIY Venue Recordings
Recording School Experiences
Self-Education In Audio
Recording With Anthrax
Transition From Live Sound
Studio Construction Challenges
Importance Of Deposits
Business Partnership Dynamics
Studio Community Focus
Lessons From First Studio
Hospitality And Client Comfort
Matt's Rant: PerfectionLinks and Show Notes
Holy Ground Productions
Holy Ground on Instagram
Credits
Guest: Wesley Heaton and Kameron Lockwood
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Aug 19, 2024 • 1h 13min
WCA #505 with Ben Pike – Vinyl Mastering, Lathe Cut Records, Analog Studio Setup, and Navigating Chronic Illness
My guest today is Mastering Engineer Ben Pike, who runs an analog-based mastering and record cutting studio in Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK. Ben specializes in vinyl mastering and custom lathe cut records, working primarily with independent artists. He has collaborated with artists and groups such as ATA Records, Yaatri, The London Ambient Orchestra, Smith & The Honey Badgers, and King Zepha.In this episode, we discuss:
Leeds, West Yorkshire Roots
Discovering Recording Technology
DIY Recording Beginnings
Home Studio Evolution
Transition to Mastering
Vinyl Mastering Journey
Analog Studio Setup
Custom Lathe Cut Records
Challenges of Chronic Illness
Building a Mastering Studio
Navigating the Music Industry
Supporting Independent Artists
Small Batch Vinyl Production
Innovative Vinyl Techniques
Mastering and Cutting Synergy
Restoring Vintage Gear
Matt's Rant: The Art of Being ConciseLinks and Show Notes
Ben Pike's Studio: Rare Tone Mastering
Jeff Powell Companion Episode
Credits
Guest: Ben Pike
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Aug 12, 2024 • 1h 11min
WCA #504 with Jordan Brooke Hamlin – Encouraging Artistic Risk, Moxe Studio, Nashville's Music Culture, Zeppelin Hippies, and Reclaiming Neglected Land
My guest today is Producer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Engineer, Jordan Brooke Hamlin, who has worked with Indigo Girls, KT Tunstall, Vienna Teng, Lila Blue, Katie Herzig, Lucy Wainwright Roche, Allison Russell, and Brandy Clark.---------------------------------In this episode, we discuss
Upbringing In Kentucky
Music-Loving Family
Zeppelin Hippies
Deep Connection To Music
Early Music Exposure
Discovery Of Production
Sarah McLachlan Influence
Running Her Studio
Creating Artist Space
Mental Health Focus
Challenges In Nashville
Supportive Studio Environment
Economic Challenges
Studio Setup Efficiency
Working With Labels
Navigating Industry Changes
Moxie Studio Origin
Residential Studio Blend
Artist Commune Vision
Reclaiming Neglected Land
Importance Of Environment
Balancing Creativity And Deadlines
Nashville's Music Culture
Contrasting With Los Angeles
Session Efficiency Vs. Exploration
Encouraging Artistic Risk
Challenges In Studio Ownership
Supporting Independent Artists
Grant Programs For Artists
Gender Equity In The Audio Industry
Financial Pressures On Music
Organizational Tools (Airtable)
Payment Delays From Labels
Navigating Professional Relationships
Empathy For Touring Artists
Evolving Industry Dynamics
---------------------------------Matt's Rant: Getting Organized---------------------------------Links and Show Notes
Book Matt mentions in Interview: Day Trading Attention
AirTable
Jordan's Studio
---------------------------------Credits
Guest: Jordan Brooke Hamlin
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Aug 5, 2024 • 1h 24min
WCA #503 with Tony Brooke - Audio Data Management, Seasonal Income Fluctuations, Career Coach Influence, Music Data Management Tools, and Getting Credit
My guest is Grammy Nominated Music Metadata Professional Tony Brooke. Tony has worked on projects for Richard Thompson, Coldplay, David Byrne, twenty one pilots, Maroon 5, Jane's Addiction, Duran Duran, Steve Miller, Norah Jones, Erasure, Ramblin' Jack Elliott, Doobie Brothers, Sarah McLachlan, Elvis Costello, Seal, George Clinton, Emmylou Harris, Indigo Girls, Lucinda Williams, Dave Chappelle, Khaled & Carlos Santana, Herbie Hancock, Stern Grove Festival, Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival. He's also worked for Pandora/SiriusXM and Warner Music Group.---------------------------------In this episode, we discuss
Tony's Audio Production Journey
Background and Education
Bay Area Move
Technical Skills & Equipment
Live Music Engineer to Entrepreneur
Tascam DA88 Benefits
Multi-Track Services
Gig Organization Logistics
Music Industry Experiences
Seasonal Income Fluctuations
Business Diversification
Website Development
Ultimate Track Sheet
Career Transition Insights
Digital Console Shift
Career Coach Influence
Master's Degree Pursuit
Family Support Gratitude
Work-Life Balance Challenges
Music Industry Pressures
Honesty and Humility Importance
Music Data Exchange Research
DDEX XML Format
Pandora Credit Inclusion
Apple Credit Attribution Issues
Identifier Initiative
Music Data Management Tools
Sound Credit Replacement
Muse.AI & Other Databases
Data Accuracy Challenges
Technological Changes Preparation
Three-Tiered Data Storage
Data Preservation Strategies
Copyrighted Compositions Importance
Streaming Service Identification
Online Course Idea
Digital Data Management Strategies
---------------------------------Matt's Rant: Embracing Social Media---------------------------------Links and Show Notes
Book Matt mentions in Rant: Day Trading Attention
Tools for capturing data in the studio:
Sound Credit: https://www.soundcredit.com/
Session Studio: https://www.sessionstudio.com/
VEVA Collect: https://vevacollect.com/
Identifiers:
ISNI (International Standard Name Identifier): http://isni.org/
ISWC (International Standard Musical Work Code): https://www.iswc.org/
DDEX standards for music data exchange: https://ddex.net/
CLIP - Free resource to learn industry terminology, creator rights, and how to get credited and paid: https://goclip.org/en/music
Master Tape Rescue project to find a home for lost tapes and other formats (Brian Kehew and Danny White): https://www.mastertaperescue.com/
Tony Brooke on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybrooke/
SilentWay.com: http://www.silentway.com/
---------------------------------Credits
Guest: Tony Brooke
Host: Matt Boudreau
Engineer: Matt Boudreau
Producer: Matt Boudreau
Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau
WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
Announcer: Chuck Smith

Jul 29, 2024 • 1h 40min
WCA #502 with Hans-Martin Buff - From Journalism to Audio: Exploring Binaural Sound, Working with Prince, Dolby Atmos, and Mastering the Art of Sequencing and Assembly
Hans-Martin Buff, a seasoned recording engineer and music producer from Munich, shares his fascinating journey in the audio industry. He recalls memorable sessions with legends like Prince and Nirvana, emphasizing the unique experience at Paisley Park. The discussion also touches on the challenges of perfectionism in music production, alongside his personal growth through various roles. Buff dives into the complexities of audio engineering, including his work with innovative technologies like Dolby Atmos, and reflects on the influence of family and life experiences on his music career.

Jul 22, 2024 • 1h 1min
WCA #501 with Chris Dugan – Green Day Tours, Studio Setup, Balancing Work and Family, Travel Tips, Freelance Pricing, and Backup Technology
Chris Dugan, a Grammy-winning engineer known for his work with Green Day, shares fascinating insights from his music journey. He discusses the challenges of balancing family life and touring, offering practical travel and jet lag tips. Dugan also dives into the intricacies of mixing live shows and the transition to home studios during the pandemic. He emphasizes customizing studio setups for creativity while maintaining family connections, and provides advice on freelance pricing and effective project management in the ever-evolving audio industry.
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