

Irregular Warfare Podcast
Irregular Warfare Initiative
The Irregular Warfare Podcast explores an important component of war throughout history. Small wars, drone strikes, special operations forces, counterterrorism, proxies—this podcast covers the full range of topics related to irregular war and features in-depth conversations with guests from the military, academia, and the policy community. The podcast is a collaboration between the Modern War Institute at West Point and Princeton University’s Empirical Studies of Conflict Project.
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Dec 12, 2023 • 29min
Fighting for Survival: Israel’s Counterterrorism Strategy
This podcast explores Israel's counterterrorism strategy, including its adaptation to changing terrorist tactics and the evolution of cognitive warfare. It discusses the challenges of combating extremism without alienating populations and emphasizes the importance of addressing ideology and capabilities. The podcast also highlights the competition of narratives in warfare, the impact of social media, and strategies for overcoming information overload and thinking like terrorists in counterterrorism.

Dec 1, 2023 • 53min
IW Lessons from Gaza: Lawfare, Humanitarian Crises, and Urban Combat
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For nearly two months, three powerful dynamics have converged in Gaza: lawfare, a humanitarian crisis, and urban combat. This episode examines those subjects and explores how they play out and influence one another in Gaza. Our hosts are joined by retired General Joseph Votel, the distinguished chair of West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center and former commander of US Central Command, and Dr. Raphael Cohen, the director of the Strategy and Doctrine Program of RAND Project AIR FORCE. They explore Hamas’s hybrid strategy in Gaza and Israel’s traditional counterterrorism approach in the Middle East, the importance of addressing lawfare and humanitarian considerations head on, and the challenges of operating in urban terrain and navigating geopolitical complexities that may require the United States and its allies to reconsider their global force structure.
Intro music: "Unsilenced" by Ketsa
Outro music: "Launch" by Ketsa
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Nov 17, 2023 • 58min
Dealers and Brokers in Proxy Wars: Exploring All Means Available
This podcast explores the role of intermediaries and the complexities of proxy wars. It discusses lessons learned from past conflicts and the involvement of various actors. Topics include the introduction of Stinger missiles in Afghanistan, plausible deniability in covert actions, meticulous planning during the bin Laden raid, lessons from history on great powers in proxy wars, and the role of decisiveness in these conflicts.

Nov 14, 2023 • 32min
Taking the Long View on Hamas
Dr. Levi West discusses the history and strategy of Hamas, exploring the likelihood of its tactics spreading. The discussion also delves into the enduring friction between Israel and Iran and its broader impact on the geopolitical environment. The podcast highlights the importance of studying well-established terrorist organizations like Hamas to gain insights into irregular warfare.

Nov 3, 2023 • 52min
Irregular Warfare at Sea: The Cod Wars and Sea Shepherd
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What do the Cod Wars—a years-long series of confrontations between Iceland and the United Kingdom over North Atlantic fishing rights—and the operations of the marine conservation organization Sea Shepherd teach us about irregular warfare in the sea domain? How do the actions of states and both nonstate and substate actors intersect to shape the maritime operational environment in which irregular warfare at sea plays out? In this episode, Kevin Bilms, a career civil servant in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, and Dr. Claude Berube, a retired Navy commander who teaches at the US Naval Academy, join hosts Ben Jebb and Lisa Munde to explore this fascinating and important subject.
Intro music: "Unsilenced" by Ketsa
Outro music: "Launch" by Ketsa
CC BY-NC-ND 4.0

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Oct 20, 2023 • 55min
Subversion: The Strategic Weaponization of Narratives
The podcast discusses how revisionist states are utilizing strategic narratives as a weapon to sow political chaos. It explores investments in information operations and the challenges faced by liberal democracies. The speakers also delve into case studies on subversion in the UAE and Russia, highlighting the strategic weaponization of narratives to undermine civil society. Additionally, it analyzes the vulnerabilities in democratic systems to combat subversive information.

Oct 5, 2023 • 46min
The Prisoner’s Dilemma: Hostage Diplomacy 101
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Why do states engage in hostage taking to advance their interests? What incentives are in place that make them choose hostage taking over other, more traditional instruments of power? How do conventional international relations concepts like deterrence apply to the unique challenge of hostage taking? This episode examines these questions and more, as our hosts are joined for a fascinating discussion by Ambassador Roger D. Carstens, the special presidential envoy for hostage affairs at the US Department of State, and Dr. Dani Gilbert, an assistant professor of political science at Northwestern University whose research explores the causes and consequences of hostage taking and hostage recovery.
Intro music: "Unsilenced" by Ketsa
Outro music: "Launch" by Ketsa
CC BY-NC-ND 4.0

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Sep 21, 2023 • 51min
Gray Zone: China’s Political Warfare
Experts discuss China's political warfare strategy, including cyber operations and espionage. They explore strategies to create divisions within China and the importance of industry and informing the public. The episode emphasizes the need for a comprehensive assessment of China's preparations and actions, as well as countering their political warfare tactics.

Sep 8, 2023 • 41min
Inside the US-China Tech War
Exploring the US-China tech war, including the effectiveness of US regulatory measures, China's pursuit of advanced technologies, the shift from decoupling to de-risking in US foreign policy, and the impact of US-China tech competition on the rest of the world.

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Aug 25, 2023 • 52min
Who’s Watching the Watchmen? Congressional Oversight of Irregular Warfare
Dr. Oo, an expert in irregular warfare and congressional oversight, discusses the complexities and gaps in oversight of irregular warfare. Topics include failures of congressional oversight, challenges with the War Powers Resolution, and the need for sunset requirements for military force authorizations. Explore the challenges of congressional oversight in irregular warfare, including program distinctions, lack of visibility, and defining hostilities.


