
Changelog Interviews
Conversations with the hackers, leaders, and innovators of the software world. Adam Stacoviak and Jerod Santo face their imposter syndrome so you don’t have to. Expect in-depth interviews with the best and brightest in software engineering, open source & leadership. This is a polyglot podcast. All programming languages, platforms & communities are welcome.
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Sep 12, 2024 • 1h 40min
Building customizable ergonomic keyboards
Erez Zukerman, co-founder of ZSA, discusses the journey of launching the ErgoDox EZ on Indiegogo and the intricacies of creating customizable ergonomic keyboards. He highlights the advantages of split designs for better hand positioning and addresses the challenges of crowdfunding for hardware. Erez emphasizes the importance of community engagement in the right-to-repair movement and sustainable manufacturing practices. He also shares insights into DIY enhancements and the balance between functionality and comfort in keyboard design.

Sep 5, 2024 • 1h 32min
Open source threaded team chat?!
We’re joined by Alya Abbott from Zulip, the open source, organized, threaded, team chat for distributed teams of all sizes. We talk about Zulip’s origins, how it’s open source, the way it’s led, no VC funding, what makes it different/better, how you can self-host it or use their cloud, moving to Zulip, contributing and being a part of the community…all the things.
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Featuring:Alya Abbott – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Zulip - the open source, organized, threaded, team chat for distributed teams of all sizes
chat.zulip.org
Moving to Zulip
zulip/zulip-terminal
zulip/docker-zulip
Flutter.dev
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Aug 29, 2024 • 1h 44min
Reinventing Kafka on object storage
Ryan Worl, Co-founder and CTO at WarpStream, joins us to talk about the world of Kafka and data streaming and how WarpStream redesigned the idea of Kafka to run in modern cloud environments directly on top of object storage. Last year they posted a blog titled, “Kafka is dead, long live Kafka” that hit the top of Hacker News to put WarpStream on the map. We get the backstory on Kafka and why it’s so widely used, who created it and for what purpose, and the behind the scenes on all things WarpStream.
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Featuring:Ryan Worl – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Kafka is dead, long live Kafka
Apache Kafka - open-source distributed event streaming platform used by thousands of companies for high-performance data pipelines, streaming analytics, data integration, and mission-critical applications.
Current 2024
Amazon Managed Streaming for Apache Kafka
Bobby Brown - My Prerogative
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Aug 21, 2024 • 2h 9min
Flavors of Ship It!
Flavors of Ship It on The Changelog — if you’re not subscribed to Ship It yet, do so at shipit.show or by searching for “Ship it” wherever you listen to podcasts. Every week Justin Garrison and Autumn Nash explore everything that happens after git push — and today’s flavors include running infrastructure in space, managing millions of machines at Meta, and what it takes to control your 3D printer with OctoPrint.
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Supabase – Supabase just finished their 12th launch week! Check it out
Test Double – Find out more about Test Double’s software investment problem solvers at testdouble.com.
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Featuring:Andrew Guenther – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAnita Zhang – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XGina Häußge – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, MastodonJustin Garrison – GitHub, LinkedIn, XAutumn Nash – GitHub, LinkedIn, XShow Notes:This episode is from these original episodes of Ship it:
Ship It! #92: Shipping in SPAAAACCEEE with Andrew Guenther from Orbital Sidekick
Ship It! #102: Managing Meta’s millions of machines with Anita Zhang from Meta
Ship It! #107: 3D printed infrastructure with Gina Häußge from OctoPrint
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Aug 14, 2024 • 1h 43min
Why we need Ladybird
Andreas Kling and Chris Wanstrath have joined forces to form a non-profit called Ladybird Browser Initiative to manage the newly forked Ladybird browser. We discuss what it’s going to take to get to alpha, the why behind Ladybird, avoiding incentives other than those of the users, their plans for incremental adoption of Swift as the successor language over C++, and of course what they hope Ladybird can achieve as a truly independent open source browser that’s for the people.
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Paragon – Ship native integrations to production in days with more than 130 pre-built connectors, or configure your own custom integrations. Built for product and engineering. Learn more at useparagon.com/changelog
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Featuring:Andreas Kling – Website, GitHub, XChris Wanstrath – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Ladybird announcement (from Chris Wanstrath)
Ladybird.org
Ladybird Browser (on GitHub)
The Changelog #10: All things GitHub with Chris Wanstrath
Changelog Interviews #554: The serenity of building your own OS with Andreas Kling
Swift.org
Crafting Interpreters by Robert Nystrom (book)
Click (2006) Official Trailer (from Adam Sandler)
Plug: Void.dev
Plug: Andreas Kling on YouTube
Plug: Cozy lofi from Katalin Kult (ghost whiskers)
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Aug 7, 2024 • 1h 31min
Into the Bobiverse
Dennis E. Taylor joins the show to take us “Into the Bobiverse” and other books he’s written. Dennis shares the backstory on how he went from programmer to author/writer and creator of Audible’s Best Science Fiction Book of 2016, his process for iterating and developing the story as he writes, plans for a Bobiverse movie, and what’s next in book 5 coming out in September 2024.
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1Password – Build securely with 1Password - 1Password simplifies how you securely use, manage, and integrate developer credentials. Manage SSH keys and sign Git commits. Access secrets stored in 1Password. Automate administrative tasks. Integrate with third-party tools. Also, check out our INFRASTRUCTURE.md file for more details on how we do secrets with 1Password.
Socket – Secure your supply chain and ship with confidence. Install the GitHub app, book a demo or learn more
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Featuring:Dennis E. Taylor – XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
dennisetaylor.org
We Are Legion (We Are Bob) - on Audible
Not Till We Are Lost - on Audible
Feedback - on Audible
Xprize - Deep Tech + Quantum
Self-replicating spacecraft on Wikipedia
Hard science fiction on Wikipedia
Dennis E. Taylor on Wikipedia
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jul 31, 2024 • 1h 49min
Open is the way
Joseph Jacks (JJ) is back! We discuss the latest in COSS funding, his thesis for investing in commercial open source companies, the various rug pulls happening out there in open source licensing, and Zuck/Meta’s generosity releasing Llama 3.1 as “open source.”
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Featuring:Joseph Jacks – GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
OSS Capital
Changelog Interviews #320: Venture capital meets commercial OSS
Mark Zuckerberg on Llama 3.1, Open Source, AI Agents, Safety, and more
Inside Mark Zuckerberg’s AI Era
Open Source AI Is the Path Forward
Just realized that I’ve led 37 rounds of funding at incorporation where OSS Capital was the first investor on the cap table…
Silicon Valley! Jian Yang’s New Pied Piper scene
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Jul 24, 2024 • 1h 40min
The man behind the Sandwich
Adam Lisagor (Sandwich Video founder) takes us behind the Sandwich to share his insights into the importance of storytelling in the tech industry, the value of helping Founders communicate their stories effectively, the details behind his new AI company, and the apps he’s making for Apple Vision Pro at Sandwich Vision.
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Paragon – Ship native integrations to production in days with more than 130 pre-built connectors, or configure your own custom integrations. Built for product and engineering. Learn more at useparagon.com/changelog
Intel Innovation 2024 – Early bird registration is now open for Intel Innovation 2024 in San Jose, CA! Learn more OR register
Featuring:Adam Lisagor – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Sandwich (Video)
useful.computer - The AI app/company Adam and Beamer are working on
Sandwich Vision - Television and Theater apps for Apple Vision Pro
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

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Jul 17, 2024 • 1h 12min
What even is the modern data stack
In this engaging conversation, Benn Stancil, co-founder of Mode and insightful commentator on data, joins Shane Harder from Cronitor, David Hsu of Retool, and Brian Clark from Neon. They explore the modern data stack and the potential dissolving of analytics teams, comparing the analytics sector to a Ponzi scheme. The group discusses innovative database technologies that allow safe testing changes, and shares unique tips for captivating public speaking. The interplay of product simplicity and backend complexities rounds out their thought-provoking dialogue.

Jul 11, 2024 • 1h 35min
It all starts with Postgres
Paul Copplestone, CEO of Supabase (the meme-lord himself), joins the show to take us on the journey of Supabase leading Postgres for life, and how it all starts with Postgres as the base-layer substrate for the entire Supabase platform. They’re laser focused on the drive ahead, not the rear-view mirror.
Disclosure: Adam and Jerod are angel investors in Supabase.
Join the discussionChangelog++ members get a bonus 5 minutes at the end of this episode and zero ads. Join today!Sponsors:Sentry – Code breaks, fix it faster. Don’t just observe. Take action. Sentry is the only app monitoring platform built for developers that gets to the root cause for every issue. 90,000+ growing teams use sentry to find problems fast. Use the code CHANGELOG when you sign up to get $100 OFF the team plan.
1Password – Build securely with 1Password - 1Password simplifies how you securely use, manage, and integrate developer credentials. Manage SSH keys and sign Git commits. Access secrets stored in 1Password. Automate administrative tasks. Integrate with third-party tools. Also, check out our INFRASTRUCTURE.md file for more details on how we do secrets with 1Password.
Paragon – Ship native integrations to production in days with more than 130 pre-built connectors, or configure your own custom integrations. Built for product and engineering. Learn more at useparagon.com/changelog
Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs.
Featuring:Paul Copplestone – Website, GitHub, XAdam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XJerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, XShow Notes:
Supabase.com
Changelog News #54: 🔥 Supabase quietly went public today
“Build in a weekend, scale to millions”
29% of Y Combinator batch (W24) use Supabase
Oriole joins Supabase
We are moving to General Availability (April 2024)
Changelog #476: Supabase is all in on Postgres
How to Run Supabase Locally
Supabase local development
Changelog #590: Good timing makes great products
Fly Postgres, managed by Supabase
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
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