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Panelists Georg Link | Venia Logan Guest Patrick Woods Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:18] Patrick tells us about himself and his journey of what got him to where he is today. [00:08:00] We learn more about the foundations of The Orbit Model and what it looks like. Patrick explains the central components which are gravity, love, reach, and orbit level. [00:13:05] Patrick goes over the other prior models that community managers have used and compares it to this orbit analogy. [00:16:04] Venia asks Patrick to talk about how a person’s interaction over time and the measurement, how that love decays can tell you where they are in that path. [00:23:21] Patrick fills us on the users of The Orbit Model and Georg wonders if he has some insights from the users of the Orbit Model, and if he’s seen any pitfalls or success stories. [00:28:07] We learn from Patrick if he fosters conversations between communities and their community managers, and what kind of communities he sees The Orbit Model being applied to. [00:33:07] Georg talks about community health and how the CHAOSS project uses the metrics to understand the health of our open source communities. He wonders if The Orbit Model looks at it that way or if there’s another way to look at it. [00:35:26] Patrick tells us about when the Orbit company started and building a product around it, and about the future of Orbit. [00:38:16] Find out all the different places you can find Patrick online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:39:37] Venia’s pick is a book called, Secret Formulas of the Wizard of Ads by Roy Williams. [00:40:43] Patrick’s pick is a book called_, The Culture Map_ by Erin Meyer. [00:42:11] Georg’s picks are visiting your local library and a book called, Angrynomics by Eric Lonergan and Mark Blyth. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Patrick Woods Twitter Patrick Woods Linkedin Developer Love podcast Orbit Orbit Blog The Orbit Model-GitHub Secret Formulas of the Wizard of Ads by Roy Williams The Culture Map by Erin Meyer Angrynomics by Eric Lonergan and Mark Blyth CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 2-Social Currency Metric System (SCMS)Special Guest: Patrick Woods.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Matt Snell | Ruth Ikegah | Matt Germonprez Guest Rachel Braun Celia Stamps Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:50] Rachel and Celia tell us what they do at the Linux Foundation. [00:04:15] We learn what the goal was of starting the DEI Badging Initiative from the CHAOSS perspective. [00:07:21] Rachel and Celia tell us why it’s important for events to take part in the badging initiative. [00:10:46] Find out about the process of getting a badge. [00:13:38] Ruth and Rachel explain more about the reviewer process. [00:15:52] Celia and Rachel explain the process of getting started and the steps they took until they got the badge. [00:21:40] Matt wonders if there are DEI related items that Rachel and Celia are working on at the Linux Foundations that CHAOSS is not asking in the badging application process. [00:25:42] Georg is curious if after going through the process and getting feedback, if there were things that Rachel and Celia took away from it, things they learned from, or things they would do different with their events because they went through the process. [00:27:38] Find out where you can follow Celia and Rachel online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:28:36] Georg’s pick is using Respite in foster care and going on a trip to Sioux Falls. [00:29:23] Ruth’s pick is DEI and learning how to care for people you don’t know as a reviewer in the Badging Initiative. [00:31:12] Rachel’s pick is celebrating some milestones in her family and taking joy in the smaller things. [00:31:51] Matt Snell’s picks are his upcoming wedding and his new dog Mabel. [00:32:16] Matt Germonprez’s pick is going out with his family since it’s close to Morel mushroom hunting season. [00:33:02] Celia’s pick is mentally and physically preparing for her baby #2 coming in mid-July. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Rachel Braun Linkedin Celia Stamps Linkedin Shields.io-GitHub badges The Journal of Open Source Software Diversity & Inclusion Event Badging Form Çity of Sioux Falls The Great MorelSpecial Guests: Celia Stamps and Rachel Braun.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Kate Stewart Guest Justin Rackliffe Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:17] Justin tells us what he does, his background, and his journey to where he is today. [00:04:47] Georg wonders if Justin is the only one helping with all the different concerns around open source, and he also tells us what the structure is like that he works within. [00:07:17] Kate wonders with the amount of automation happening behind the scenes to effectively make policy decisions if it is all still funneling more manually then Justin would like. Also, Justin explains how they want to leverage other people’s stuff and contributing back when they can. [00:09:58] Justin talks about SBOM’s being a challenge in the industry. [00:10:56] Kate explains what Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) and Software Package Data Exchange (SPDX) are. [00:15:18] Justin tells us other data points and metrics he employs besides SBOM. [00:19:08] Kate mentions one of the challenges is identity for software in the industry and matching it up to other sources of information and metrics, and she wonders if Justin finds it easy or hard to find that type of matching and if he’s looking at the National Vulnerability Database (NVD) as a set of risk metrics associated with a project whether it’s up to date as part of his signals. [00:22:31] Justin explains the difference in viewpoints between CHAOSS metrics and Downstream metrics. [00:25:14] Kate wonders how much some of the signals that the project sends about new releases and implicit end of life when you’ve got a new release coming out, and how much do people park on one release and not move it forward. [00:27:37] Justin talks about how tooling needs to be visible and we learn what kind of signals are useful to him. [00:31:17] We learn from Justin what he would like to see if Georg gave him a magic wand and he could wish for anything from the CHAOSS Project to support him. [00:34:41] Find out where you can follow Justin online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:35:59] Georg’s pick is the Apple watch. [00:37:03] Kate’s pick is having a quarterly meeting with the NTIA SBOM working group. [00:37:53] Justin’s pick is his bike and getting out on the greenways. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Justin Rackliffe Linkedin Justin Rackliffe Twitter opensource@fidelity.com Fidelity Investments-GitHub SPDX-GitHub Apple Watch National Telecommunications and Information Administration SBOMSpecial Guest: Justin Rackliffe.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Sophia Vargas | Elizabeth Barron Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:04:29] Georg dives right in to tell us why he wanted to start this podcast and the project, also, we learn the early goals he had with the podcast and the success the podcast has had in the last year. He mentions different episodes to check out. [00:08:00] Dawn tells us what she’s appreciated about the CHAOSS podcast over the year. [00:09:42] Dawn, Sophia, and Matt share the episode that was most interesting to them and what they learned from that episode. [00:13:12] Elizabeth shares the impact she has seen with the podcast on the community as a whole, and Sarah shares thoughts as well about the podcast being able to highlight the diversity in which metrics are important and applicable. [00:16:10] Georg talks about what he sees as the future of the podcast and the CHAOSS Community. Matt shares thoughts on the podcast as well. [00:19:38] The panelists share how they see the CHAOSS Project evolving and where do they see it heading now from where we’ve come in the last four years. [00:25:42] Dawn and Matt talk about how CHAOSS is trying to broaden the reach of work by moving into doing translations for both Chinese and Spanish. [00:26:50] Georg recognizes everyone who is working behind the scenes to make this podcast possible. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:29:22] Georg’s pick is an article, “This 5-Move, No-Gym Workout Got Matt Damon Fighting Fit in His Forties.” [00:29:59] Dawn’s pick is GitHub bots that automate all the things, specifically with the Kubernetes prow. [00:30:54] Sophia’s pick is World of Code DB. [00:32:41] Elizabeth’s pick is a Twitter account called “place where cat shouldn’t be.” [00:33:15] Matt’s pick is Morel mushroom hunting tips. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 1-“Hello, World!” CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 5-Defining “Open Source Community Health” CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 9-In Defense of Vanity Metrics CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 19-GSOC: Anomaly Detection with Pratik, Akshara, Sarit, and Tianyi CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 21-GSOC Pt. 2: Extending GrimoireLab projects with Ria and Venu CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 23-GSOC & Outreachy: D&I Efforts-Aastha and Tola CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 25-GSOC: GitLab Data with Abhinav CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 27-GSOD with Xiaoya & Jaskirat CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 31-Marketing Metrics with teams from GNOME & KDE “This 5-Move, No-Gym Workout Got Matt Damon Fighting Fit in His Forties” by Tom Ward (Esquire) Cauldron CHAOSS Community Reports CHAOSS DEI Event Badging Prow-GitHub Place where cat shouldn’t be-Twitter Place where cat shouldn’t be-Instagram The Great MorelSupport CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Sophia Vargas | Armstrong Foundjem Guest Emil Wåreus Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:33] Emil tells us all about himself, what he does, and explains what software composition analysis is. [00:05:10] Sophia asks Emil for his perspective on open source health, measuring the quality of open source, and what it means for his customers and his platform. He mentions a great book to read as well. [00:08:52] Emil tells us what people struggle with the most in terms of what he needs to help them understand or reeducate them in what is valuable in here, and how he helps them understand why they should care about these things. [00:13:32] Emil explains how his journey started in open source and how it has evolved over time. [00:15:32] Armstrong brings up future engineering and his concern with bias and perspective of communities, and Emil goes into more detail about it. [00:20:41] We learn about a graph model of all open source that Emil is developing. [00:22:24] Sophia wonders if Emil is interested in tracking the influence of individuals in these systems and if that’s something that could often muck up very systematic approaches and how he handles it. He talks about a project called Flask RESTX that he recommends. [00:27:38] Armstrong brings up the problem with maintenance which draws him to the metrics and how the social aspect of this community is a huge concern, and he wonders how Emil mitigates this aspect since an open source community deals with the socio-technical. [00:30:25] Emil walks us through his terminology. [00:35:52] Armstrong asks Emil how open he is to collaboration to make sure that we can work to view a very complex set of a model that we are presented. Sophia also shares interest in working with Emil’s model within the CHAOSS project and within some of their research divisions at Google. [00:38:48] Find out where you can connect with Emil online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:39:32] Georg’s picks are he’s getting the COVID-19 vaccine soon and a great book called, Ready Player One. [00:40:21] Sophia’s pick is making homemade broth and stocks. [00:41:07] Armstrong’s pick is crunching data. [00:41:30] Emil’s pick is a project called Cowait, that is open source and runs on Kubernetes. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Emil Wåreus Linkedin debricked The debricked blog Flask RESTX The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams Ready Player One by Ernest Cline CowaitSpecial Guest: Emil Wåreus.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Andrea Gallo | Sean Goggins Guests Steffen Herbold Alexander Trautsch Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:01:36] Steffen and Alexander introduce themselves and tell us what they do. [00:02:29] We learn what SmartSHARK is. [00:04:39] Alexander tells us where to begin if you want to learn about a repository using SmartSHARK. [00:09:30] Sean talks about a similar project he’s working on as part of the CHAOSS project. [00:10:40] Georg wonders what they have learned from the data and how they’ve used it since they’ve collected such a huge pile of data and have metrics on all of that. [00:12:13] Alexander shares some insights on some of his research findings. [00:16:17] Alexander explains what he means by static analysis and if the recommendations in the static analysis are language specific. [00:19:18] Andrea wonders how Alexander defines the rules and if he refers to specific standards. [00:21:35] Georg wonders if Steffen has looked at any other metrics, and if he has looked at any of those kinds of community health metrics if he’s paired them with the code metrics he was looking at. Steffen tells us about a database they are using. [00:23:58] If you’re interested in exploring the data and seeing the insights, Steffen tells us where you can get started. [00:26:27] Andrea asks Steffen if there are any public projects that he can share with us that he has seen improving or getting worse, and he tells us about literature on defect predictions in software. [00:30:31] Georg asks Steffen if he had one wish for the CHAOSS Project what it would be. [00:31:23] Find out where you can follow Steffen and Alexander online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:32:27] Georg’s pick is the globalization, getting products imported from other countries. [00:33:13] Andrea’s pick is a book called, In the Shadow of Man by Jane Goodall. [00:33:42] Sean’s pick is his former master’s advisor at the University of Minnesota who helped Jane Goodall analyze her data. [00:34:07] Steffen’s pick is global and local communication and visual communication, like Zoom or BBB, to stay connected. [00:34:51] Alexander’s pick is learning a new language to help him relax. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Steffen Herbold Twitter Steffen Herbold Linkedin Software Engineering for Distributed Systems (research group) SmartSHARK SmartSHARK-GitHub In the Shadow of Man by Jane GoodallSpecial Guests: Alexander Trautsch and Steffen Herbold.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Sri Ramkrishna | Neofytos “Neo” Kolokotronis Guests Aniqa Khokhar Caroline Henriksen Kristi Progri Paul Brown Show Notes [00:03:04] The four guests introduce themselves and tell us what community they are with. [00:05:23] Paul and Caroline share with us goals they have when they are doing their jobs for these GNOME and KDE communities. [00:06:37] Paul and Aniqa tells us what a typical day looks like for the work they do. [00:08:22] Sri asks them what their goals are and current methodology. [00:12:09] Paul asks Kristi how successful she is with people answering the surveys since he has seen so many people ignore them, and Caroline shares what they do as well. [00:14:16] Georg asks the guests if there are other goals they have for their communities besides bringing in more diverse people. Sri wonders if they go back and look at audience numbers as an indication of brand propagation. [00:17:05] Caroline explains to us what the Community Engagement Challenge is and what she did with the program. [00:18:46] Paul shares with us about market share, user base, and his thoughts on those metrics. [00:25:34] Caroline and Kristi tell us from a marketing perspective, how well their community is doing in terms of community health and what metrics they use in that communication. [00:28:33] We end with the guests each telling us the one metric they would like to see and what it would be. Also, find out where you can connect with them online to follow their work. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:31:23] Georg’s pick is making Marzipan. [00:32:10] Sri’s pick is his two black cats. [00:32:39] Caroline’s picks are her dog and a tool used for events called, Indico. [00:33:320] Kristi’s pick is a super cool book called Awareness by Anthony De Mello. [00:34:08] Aniqa’s pick is her nephew sharing what is happening at home. [00:34:20] Neo’s picks are his dog and the CHAOSS Diversity and Inclusion Events Badging Program. [00:35:07] Paul’s picks are Asian cooking and electronic boards for building circuits (linked below). Sponsor SustainOSS Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Aniqa Khokhar Twitter Aniqa Khokhar Linkedin Caroline Henriksen Twitter Caroline Henriksen Linkedin Kristi Progri Twitter Paul Brown Twitter Paul Brown Blog KDE Community Promo’s Long Term Goals GNOME Community Engagement Challenge GNOME Final Challenge Showcase Marzipan Indico Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality by Anthony De Mello CHAOSS Diversity & Inclusion Event Badging Form Linux Magazine- “Node.js on the Rasp Pi” by Paul Brown Linux Magazine- “Graphical, Scratch-like programming languages for Arduino” by Paul Brown Linux Magazine- “Exploring the new Arduino/Genuino 101” by Paul Brown Linux Magazine- “Up Close with C.H.I.P” by Paul Brown Linux Magazine- “Get your Pi to read analog data” by Paul Brown This episode was recorded with Big Blue Button, a free software web conferencing system.Special Guests: Aniqa Khokhar, Caroline Henriksen, Kristi Progri, Neofytos Kolokotronis, Paul Brown, and Sri.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Don Marti | Venia Logan Guest Matt Yonkovit Quotes [00:31:22] “We didn’t open source it to get help from the community, to make the product bigger. We open sourced as a freemium strategy; to drive adoption,” quote by MongoDB CEO. [00:37:32] “And I think that hurts the overall willingness for a lot of companies to invest heavily in community because community is a long tail activity. It’s about fostering relationships that last multiple companies. It’s about the fostering relationships that go over many years. And I think that’s a very important and key thing because when you look at marketing, is really designed to how do I get sales to get optimized? How do I get them leads to generate? So I think that’s an important thing to consider, is you’ve got this thing where you’ve got, Hey, I’m looking for the long term health of the community, but the bigger the community I have, the bigger pie that sales, eventually people will come in.” Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:51] Matt tell us what Percona is and what he does there. He also tells us what his day-to-day looks like. [00:05:45] Since Matt’s community seems to be very diverse and spreads across a lot of platforms creating a lot of content, he talks about where all his community facets are how they tie into and generate a lot of the content that supports here in community. [00:09:25] Georg asks Matt if he looks at the health of these communities that they are a part of or what does he look at. [00:14:20] Matt talks about the laws that have been enacted recently and how people have become data hoarders. [00:16:40] We learn about most applications having the consent now on the internet, and Matt talks about schemas and how it’s like an anti-developer thing. [00:21:51] Georg brings up in the CHAOSS project and how they are crafting data policy or privacy policy for their open source project because the idea that we work in the open, the data is available, but some people don’t want them to analyze it even though it’s out there. Georg asks Matt if he has any ideas on this. [00:24:39] Don asks Matt if he finds himself taking private discussions and then going through the work of sanitizing them to the point where they can be shared with the community as a public content resource. [00:26:28] Venia wonders if Matt has a specific policy or data destruction point for their support tickets. Matt talks about having to implement different encryption schemes. [00:28:44] Matt shares his thoughts on open source licenses around databases. He mentions a talk he did at FOSDEM recently on “The Death of Openness and Freedom.” [00:35:55] Venia talks about metrics and putting together a dashboard for your community, and then asks Matt if he would say a lot of this could be cut off if you were to look at Metrics A rising and Metrics B lowering in proportion. [00:39:42] From the point of view of a developer who’s starting a new project, Don wonders how to balance the data base option against the option of running an open source database and managing it yourself. Matt explains database service being both a good thing and a bad thing all at the same time. [00:43:09] Matt tells us where we can find him online and more about his talks, blog, and podcast. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:44:07] Georg’s pick is Graphic novels to encourage reading. [00:44:37] Venia’s pick is a free book on communicationcache.com called, Virtual Teams That Work. [00:45:30] Matt’s pick is he’s excited to see ARM processors benchmarks. [00:46:27] Don’s pick is an open source project called Pi-hole. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Matt Yonkovit Twitter Matt Yonkovit Linkedin The HOSS Talks FOSS Podcast-YouTube Percona Blog FOSDEM ’21- “The Death of Openness and Freedom? Open Source Under Attack” with Matt Yonkovit-FOSDEM FOSDEM ’21- “The Death of Openness and Freedom? Open Source Under Attack” with Matt Yonkovit-YouTube SCALE 19x-Southern California Linux Expo Virtual Teams That Work-Creating Conditions For Virtual Team Effectiveness Pi-holeSpecial Guest: Matt Yonkovit.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Kate Stewart | Matt Germonprez | Georg Link Guests Stefka Dimitrova Ivana Atanasova Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:17] Stefka and Ivana tell us about themselves and what they do at VMware. [00:04:01] We learn more about what Stefka and Ivana talked about at the presentation at the OSS Europe 2020 with the metrics, why they did the analytics on open source communities, and what goals they had in mind. [00:06:39] Stefka talks more about identifying reasons why a project fails, what she’s observed, and what it means to her that a project fails. [00:10:01] Kate asks Stefka how long it takes before she actually considers a project to be inactive and what threshold she was using. Ivana tells us if they are measuring adoption and how much information they find using their analysis. [00:14:00] Georg mentions LFX Insights that Linux Foundation launched, and how they’re planning to include Twitter chatter to see whether projects are being mentioned. He wonders if Ivana would be interested in using this in their analysis. [00:16:31] Kate wonders how often Stefka goes back and re-examines and checkpoints her list of projects that she thinks are worth working with. [00:19:22] Stefka tells us how many metrics they keep standard for all the projects and about the dependencies. [00:22:24] Matt asks Stefka and Ivana to talk about the internal organizational process and the reception within VMware. [00:29:06] Since Ivana uses Augur and contributes to the CHAOSS Project Augur, she shares with us how she came to the project and how the journey has been for her. [00:33:51] Ivana and Stefka talk about examples of the types of improvements they would like to be seeing showing up in Augur. [00:38:48] Stefka and Ivana tell us where you can connect with them and follow the progress of their work online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:39:48] Georg’s pick is Linux Foundation’s LFX Insights. [00:40:44] Kate’s pick is an LCA talk she watched called, “The Privacy Tax” by Dawn E. Collett. [00:41:17] Matt’s pick is he’s into baking right now. [00:41:52] Stefka’s pick is a quote that has been with her for the past couple of days by Brene Brown, “There is no innovation and creativity without failure,” and having the freedom to experiment. [00:42:43] Ivana’s pick is focusing on side things you do to shape your way of thinking and helps you in other areas, including professionally. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Stefka Dimitrova Linkedin Ivana Atanasova Linkedin Open Source Summit Europe 2020 presentation slides: “If you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it”- how to assess project health, by Ivana Atanasova and Stefka Dimitrova The Linux Foundation- LFX Insights LinuxConfAU Online 2021- “The Privacy Tax: How tracking and hacking affect disabled people, and what we can do about it,” by Dawn E. Collett. Augur Project-GitHub VMware Open Source BlogSpecial Guests: Ivana Atanasova and Stefka Dimitrova.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Dawn Foster | Daniel Izquierdo Guest Sophia Vargas Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:12] Sophia tells us about what she does at Google and her journey to getting where she is right now. [00:06:15] We learn what Sophia does within the Open Source Programs Office. [00:08:33] Dawn asks Sophia how she looks at the life cycle of these open source projects in aggregate because it’s such a huge amount of projects. [00:11:06] Georg is curious to know Google’s approach to differentiate and generalize projects and the dynamics within the projects and Sophia tells us what they do for teams to learn more about their own projects. [00:16:27] Daniel wants to know what Sophia learned from FOSDEM as the first steps in the OSPO movement. [00:18:42] Since Sophia came from analyzing technology projects at Forrester, to now analyzing open-source projects, Dawn wonders what was different and what was the same about those two experiences. [00:23:48] We learn how coming to CHAOSS informed Sophia’s work and where she hopes CHAOSS will go as a project in the future. [00:28:57] Daniel asks Sophia if there’s any specific area that she is missing in CHAOSS that she would like to start working on, and she shares something. Also, Daniel talks about a survey done with ASF. [00:35:01] Sophia tells us where you can follow her work and connect with her online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:35:55] Georg’s pick is a game called Jackbox.TV. [00:36:55] Dawn’s pick is Tabletop Simulator and two fun games, Munchkin and Gloomhaven. [00:38:08] Daniel’s picks are the board game Pandemic and discovering Pilates. [00:39:00] Sophia’s picks are learning how to cook again and the Farmers’ Market. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Sophia Vargas Twitter Sophia Vargas Linkedin Google Open Source Jackbox.TV Tabletop Simulator Gloomhaven Munchkin: Quacked Quest Pandemic Board Game Pilates Farmers’ Market Apache Software Foundation (ASF)Support CHAOSScast