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Panelists Venia Logan | Nicole Huesman | Brian Proffitt Guests Jono Bacon Sponsor Linode Show Notes [00:02:16] Jono gives us an introduction what he does and how he got into his job. [00:03:48] Nicole asks Jono what are some of the key strategies he’s used over the years to propel his career in community management and community strategy? [00:07:10] Venia wants to know how Jono ended up managing the role of community manager as he went through his early days. [00:09:52] Brian wants to know how Jono views the science part of the community health aspect of it and how has that evolved his experience, like early pioneer days to where we are now. [00:16:15] Jono talks about things that worry him with data and how in recent years we’ve become data fetishists. He also talks about Earl Madman Muntz who ran a TV factory and he needed to reduce costs. Great story here.  [00:21:38] Jono explains why he’s a fan of aggregate evaluation of the value. He talks about a model he developed over the years called the Community Participation Lifecycle. [00:25:00] Brian asks Jono what he feels is the least understood aspect of being a Community Manager. [00:33:20] Venia wonders where Jono sees this phenomenon of open source community management moving forward as it permeates the closed economic spheres. [00:36:35] As we look at the CHAOSS project, Nicole wonders what role does Jono see the CHAOSS project playing in helping us understand the metrics of healthy communities and what would he like to see from the CHAOSS project. Picks [00:40:55] Jono’s pick is he likes the fact that people feel comfortable challenging him. [00:42:44] Brian’s pick is ways to find easy comfort points for new people coming into a community and making them feel a little more welcome without necessarily making drastic changes to your own community. [00:44:28] Venia’s pick is if there is someone you truly want to follow, you want to be like, see if they have something written, it could be a blog, a podcast, or a YouTube video. Hit them up! Maybe see if there’s some piece of content you can read. [00:45:27] Nicole’s pick is diving into the book, People Powered, by Jono Bacon, and building a relationship with folks and having thought provoking discussions with cross industry thoughtful discussions. Links Jono Bacon Jono Bacon Twitter People Powered: How Communities Can Supercharge Your Business, Brand, and Teams by Jono Bacon Earl “Madman” Muntz CHAOSS Credits Produced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund Special Guest: Jono Bacon.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Brian Proffitt | Nicole Huesman Guests Chris Aniszczyk Sponsor Linode Show Notes [00:02:19] When we talk about community health, Chris tells us what comes to mind for him in the context of CNCF. He also tells us what his role is at CNCF. [00:06:03] Brian is curious to how Chris has adapted his metrics or if he’s adapted his metrics to compensate for the fact that he is in such an explosive mode of growth and has he made adjustments for that. [00:10:40] Chris talks about CNCF being a vendor neutral organization. [00:13:12] Nicole wants to know of all the different things Chris is measuring, are there a few that rise to the surface as either the most important or some things that have been aha moments or surprises for him. [00:15:43] Chris talks about how the view of diversity and inclusion is within the Cloud Native Community and some of the investments that he’s making there. [00:21:58] Nicole asks Chris to talk about the wonderful people working in the Cloud Native community. He discusses what percentage of men and women CNCF is comprised of and how they are part of the Linux Foundation. [00:26:28] Georg wants to know how CNCF does metrics for the governing board, technical committee, the project, SIG (Special Interest Group) for the working groups, or do they even go at that level. Also, DevStats provide metrics and how does that play into this. He also explains the annual report and how it all fits together. [00:31:27] Brian is curious to know from Chris how CNCF began their journey with metrics and where was the start? [00:34:15] Chris tells us how he views the roll of the CHAOSS project and what he would like to see from the CHAOSS project. [00:37:29] Chris tells us about the work he does at the TODO Group, which is a network of Open Source Program offices. [00:42:00] Chris gives us some advice for anyone starting out their open source program office journey. Picks [00:45:39] Georg’s pick is Percy Jackson Books by Rick Riordan. [00:46:03] Brian’s pick is for people to have recharge days. [00:46:58] Nicole’s pick is gravitating to provocative discussions such as the CHAOSScast Podcast as well as Code Together Podcast. [00:48:20] Chris’s picks are a Netflix show called, 13TH and a book called, White Fragility, by Robin DiAngelo. Links Chris Aniszczyk Twitter Chris Aniszczyk Linkedin Chris Aniszczyk Website Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) Project Health Table DevStats Code Together Podcast-Nicole Huesman Rick Riordan Books 13TH-Netflix White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo TODO Group Survey CNCF Annual Report 2019 CNCF Survey Data-GitHub Credits Produced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund Special Guest: Chris Aniszczyk.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Sean Goggins | Georg Link | Don Marti Sponsor Linode Show Notes [00:02:43] Georg explains Open Source, Open Source Community, and Open Source Community Health. [00:04:25] The rest of the panelists give their opinions on Open Source Community Health. [00:08:04] Dawn talks about OpenSSL, which is an Open Source project that is in use by almost every single big company in the world but maintained by only a couple of people who could barely afford to do it. [00:08:45] Don wonders if Open Source Metrics would have helped companies address the OpenSSL situation before it became a headline problem? Sean and Dawn give their opinions. [00:10:00] Since Sean mentions sustainability, Georg asks Sean where’s the distinction between health and sustainability or is that the same thing? [00:11:47] Matt wants to know when you’re looking at a software community how much do you differentiate between looking at the community purely from a using the software perspective versus looking at the community from, I would like to contribute to this community? [00:15:24] We talk about the different working groups here and we talk about other ways that we can conceptualize other areas of community health. [00:17:10] Dawn makes a point to say when we talk about working groups, what we’re really talking about coming up with definitions for metrics and anyone can contribute. Don talks about different categories in which he thinks of metrics. [00:20:43] Sean asks Don if there are a lot of job postings for a particular technology? Does the fact there may be many jobs for Kubernetes right now and does that influence how many people participate in that project? How do people decide what to contribute to? [00:24:30] Sean wants to know from Dawn what are some of the things VMWare concentrates on and she lets us know. [00:29:08] The panellists talk about the different ways we can get insights to Open Source Community Health. [00:37:16] Don clarifies what he means when he says, “projects site each other.” [00:38:25] If you are interested in getting involved in CHAOSS find out here. Picks: [00:39:50] Georg’s pick is that he added some new fish, 10 Neon Tetras, to his aquarium. [00:40:19] Dawn’s pick is a picnic backpack. [00:41:02] Sean has two picks: Augur Slackbot and the importance of health. Please pay attention to your own health. [00:42:11] Don’s pick is he’s been having fun with the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA). Links: CHAOSS Neon Tetra Picnic Backpack Augur Slackbot California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) OpenSSL Credits Produced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Matt Broberg | Venia Logan | Sean Goggins | Georg Link Guests Ray Paik Manrique Lopez Valerio Cosentino Sponsor Linode Show Notes [00:02:33] We start here with learning about what measurement tools exist in the CHAOSS project. [00:07:06] Georg gives us some context on how Bitergia, GrimoireLab, Bitergia Analytics, and CHAOSS all relate to each other. [00:09:01] Manrique fills us in on why Open Source is relevant to what they’re doing with Bitergia and GrimoireLab. [00:10:37] Since Venia is the co-creator of one of the metrics, Matt is wondering when she looks at the GrimoireLab tool chain, how does that add value to what she’s looking to achieve with it? [00:12:41] Ray has a question for Manrique and Georg and wonders what have they benefited from joining CHAOSS and what have they been able to gain from being a part of a larger community? Also, have there been other benefits that they have gained from working with other software communities related to metrics? [00:16:04] Venia mentions how she wants to applaud Bitergia for how much they advertise CHAOSS and Bitergia being completely separate entities and she explains. [00:17:55] What is the goal of using GrimoireLab and what are some examples of people using it right now? [00:22:56] Ray tells us how he uses GrimoireLab. Also, Venia gives us her thoughts on dashboarding. [00:32:22] Sean is curious to know what kinds of choices are made in the design of the GrimoireLab technology to prohibit, prevent, or create some of transparency around anything that might be used to measure and individual? Also, since Git Log stores his identifying information organically, how do they handle that technically? Manrique answers these questions. [00:00:00] Matt asks Valerio if he has any stories or ideas that come to mind on how he chose to write the software that would be interesting to somebody that may not be as deep in the code as him? [00:39:12] Valerio is a mentor for Google Summer of Code participants and he’s going to tell us a little about what that is. Picks [00:48:00] Georg’s pick is a book by Benjamin Birkinbine called, “Incorporating the Digital Commons.” [00:48:50] Venia’s pick is a term that she always uses all the time from Chris Mercer, MeasurementMarketing.io which is, “The truth is in the trend, the power is in the pattern.” [00:49:42] Manrique’s picks are quotes he uses in his presentations. One is, “If you can’t measure it, you cannot improve it.” Another one is, “Without data you a just a person with an opinion.” [00:51:21] Ray’s pick is a great book called, “The Tyranny of Metrics,” by Jerry Z. Muller. [00:52:40] Valerio’s pick is valuable advice. He says,” Metrics are important, but you need to contextualize them, and you should not understand just the metric itself, but the people who contribute to your project. When you look at the data you should have an understanding of your community to see if you are not misrepresenting or misunderstanding the data you have. [00:53:24] Sean’s pick is a technical plug to a project called PlaidML. They have a cute logo too ☺! [00:54:25] Matt’s pick is that he recently upgraded his Linux laptop to Fedora 32. It’s fun to use! Links Manrique Lopez Twitter Valerio Cosentino Twitter Ray Paik Twitter GrimoireLab Bitergia Google Summer of Code “Incorporating The Digital Commons”-Benjamin Birkinbine MeasurementMarketing.io-Chris Mercer “The Tyranny of Metrics”-Jerry Z. Muller PlaidML Fedora 32 GrimoireLab Install Blog Post GrimoireLab’s Project Hero’s Journey Story GitHub Docker composer Cauldron CHAOSScon Europe 2020 CHAOSS Community Participate Credits Produced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund Special Guests: Jose Manrique López de la Fuente, Ray Paik, and Valerio Cosentino.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Matt Broberg | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Georg Link Guest Sean Goggins Gabe Heim Carter Landis Sponsor Linode Show Notes [00:02:23] Sean and Gabe explain what Augur is and how Augur is an integral part of the CHAOSS project. [00:04:37] Carter explains some of the things he’s helped the team accomplish recently with getting Augur to be really easy to install, run, and configure. [00:06:29] Gabe talks about how people are using Jupyter Notebooks with Augur. [00:07:44] Georg is curious to learn a little more about why they decided to go with a single relational database and what challenges they faced, if any, in unifying the data from all the different platforms that Open Source communities are collaborating on. [00:11:02] Matt B. asks the team if there is a given audience that this hits home for or if they are you finding community managers in Open Source space being a primary use case. [00:11:56] Sean, Gabe, and Carter discuss some of the successes they’ve had along the way with Augur. [00:16:14] Dawn talks about how Augur has been used in VMware’s Open Source Program Office. She also explains that Augur is more of a health tool. Find out why. [00:23:17] The team explains how stemming these relationships with VMWare, what does this lead to next for Augur and how do these relationships change the roadmap for what Augur can be. [00:27:58] If you are interested in exploring Augur and want to try it out, listen here to find out where Sean recommends you could start. Picks [00:32:19] Georg’s pick is a video game called, “Anno 1800.” [00:33:04] Dawn’s pick is a video game called, “Tabletop Simulator” on Steam. [00:33:44] Matt B.’s pick is an Open Source software called “Finicky.” [00:34:30] Matt G.’s pick is to give a BIG thanks to the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, who’s been instrumental in funding the CHAOSS project since inception. [00:34:58] Sean’s pick is a gentleman named, Jordan Love, who is a quarterback with an incredibly strong arm, chosen by the Green Bay Packers in the recent NFL Draft. [00:35:26] Gabe’s pick is having a special 21st birthday quarantined with family and watching, “Money Heist” on Netflix. He says it’s very addicting! [00:36:28] Carter’s has two picks: One is a library for converting an OpenAPI Specification to Sphinx documentation. His other pick is an album called, “Room to Breathe,” by an artist named Low Hum. Links CHAOSS/Augur Augur Project Jupyter Notebook Dr. Sean P Goggins Twitter Sean P. Goggins. Ph.D Carter Landis GitHub Gabe Heim GitHub “Anno 1800” “Tabletop Simulator” Finicky Alfred P. Sloan Foundation Jordon Love Twitter “Money Heist” Open API spec renderer for Sphinx “Room to Breathe” by Low Hum Credits Produced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund Special Guests: Carter Landis and Gabe Heim.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Dawn Foster | Matt Broberg | Georg Link Guest Samantha Venia Logan Dylan Marcy Sponsor Linode Show Notes Welcome to this episode of CHAOSSCast! Today, we have special guests, Venia Logan and Dylan Marcy of SociallyConstructed.Online. They are here to do some introspection on the process CHAOSS follows for defining metrics and to demonstrate this using the Social Currency Metric System (SCMS). It is a very interesting topic and if you don’t know much about SCMS, then this podcast is definitely worth a listen. [00:04:00] Venia and Dylan introduce themselves, who they are, what they do, and brought them to CHAOSS. [00:09:55] Venia and Dylan share how they came about to develop the initiation of the social currency metric system. [00:14:54] Matt wants to know what it looks like to use SCMS (Social Currency Metric System) and Dylan explains. [00:18:03] Georg wants to know what the sentiment is and what are these comments that they are talking about. Are they issue comments in open source, issue trackers, emails, slack messages? What is the qualitative data? Dylan and Venia explain. [00:22:24] What role does sentiment analysis play into this whole system? Dylan and Venia have great responses. [00:28:11] Matt B. is curious to know if the dashboard is a choose your own adventure dashboard or is it a tool chain, like a set of dashboards that are predefined? Venia loves this question and explains. [00:33:18] Venia explains the very purpose of the Social Currency Metric System and Matt has an Aha moment . [00:39:01] Georg wants to know how did Venia and Dylan get from having this very frustrated situation with SCMS talking about they need to do something, and now they have a metric in the CHAOSS project. What was this process for them? Venia responds with “Magic” and explains. Dylan gives a response as well. [00:43:07] Dylan lets us know there’s a video to check out on sociallyconstructed.online that has tips, tricks, and tutorials. Picks [00:44:17] Georg’s pick is an aquarium he bought as the lockdown happened and he will be adding fish this week. Is has been bringing him much joy these past few weeks. [00:44:42] Matt’s pick is a plug for video games. He just wants people to do whatever brings them joy and calm in this unprecedented time. [00:45:42] Dawn’s pick is her balcony. She has finally cleaned it and bought some chairs for it and got to enjoy sitting outside. [00:46:56] Venia’s pick is looking at community management. “There’s being the bear, and there’s being the flower.” She is being more the flower. [00:47:39] Dylan’s pick is a saying, “This too shall pass!” We will all get through this global pandemic. Links SociallyConstructed.Online SCMS Venia Logan Twitter Venia Logan Linkedin SamanthaVLogan Blog/Website Credits Produced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund Special Guest: Dylan Marcy.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Matt Broberg | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez Sponsor Linode Show Notes Welcome to the very first CHAOSS Podcast! In this podcast, we will share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. There will be elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software or CHAOSS Project. It’s new, and new is always good. And hey, it’s got that new podcast smell ☺. Since this is the first episode, we’ll be finding out more about our panelists. Kick back, relax, and take a listen. [00:01:15] Dawn Foster has been in the industry for more than 20 years and she’s been working on Open Source software most of that time. She is currently at VMware where she is Open Source Community Strategy Lead. She started getting passionate about the open source software communities back in the early 2000’s when she was at Intel. Her interest in open source metrics really came out of feeling a need to justify her own existence. [00:04:14] Georg Link started his open source journey with a project at openoffice.org. This experience of having a resilient healthy community that can go do its own thing fascinated him. Now he is working as Director of Sales for Bitergia, which is a company out of Spain, that provides metrics and analytics for a software development project and open source projects for the last eight years. [00:05:44] Matt Broberg’s story with metrics is that he fell in love with community management early on. He was in tech support at a large storage vendor and in there he found out that he can build these communities of people that he truly enjoyed working with. Six years ago, he got a job focusing on open source. He fell in love with the ability for people to solve their own problem. He is currently the Technical Editor of Opensource.com. He is very excited to get this podcast off the ground! [00:08:42] Matt Germonprez is a Professor at the University of Nebraska-Omaha in the College of Information-Science and Technology. It started for him with a class he was having with a seminar session that was on open source. He had a former student give a guest talk virtually about open source and he explained about corporate engagement with open source and it blew his mind. They both ended up writing a grant to the National Science Foundation that got funded to explore the changing nature of open source work. They worked on this project for about 5 years and they got to explore why and how companies are engaged. [00:12:20] Matt G. tells us what the CHAOSS Project is and why it exists. [00:14:12] Is CHAOSS an Acronym or a Backronym? It’s a great story! [00:16:30] Dawn tells us the structure of CHAOSS and her involvement with it. [00:19:26] Matt B. tells us what is was like to come to the CHAOSS Project and what is his experience getting engaged since he came last the project. [00:22:12] Matt G. tells us we don’t have all the answers, but we work with anybody that wants to contribute to help find those answers of understanding community health better. Also, why did we start this podcast? Find out here ☺. Picks [00:28:33] Dawn’s pick is the Auger tool. [00:29:30] Matt B.’s pick is Awesome Zoom Backgrounds for your next zoom or video chat. He wants to make things more entertaining for you and add some backgrounds to your life because we all need some fun in our lives right now! [00:30:56] Georg’s pick is an interview between Jono Bacon and Jessica Deen on, “Open Source Community Health: Your Guide to Continuous (Community) Improvement.” [00:31:35] Matt G.’s pick is a meeting he was at with Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, which was about funding for scientific open source software. Links CHAOSS Auger Awesome Zoom Backgrounds Interview with Jono Bacon and Jessica Deen Chan Zuckerberg Initiative Dawn Foster Twitter Matt Germonprez Twitter Georg Link Twitter Matt Broberg Twitter Credits Produced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund Support CHAOSScast