

Two Sides of the Spectrum
Meg Ferrell
A place where we explore research, amplify autistic voices, and change the way we think about autism in life and in professional therapy practice.
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Jun 2, 2021 • 48min
Reframing Social Differences for Autistic Kids with Rachel Dorsey, Autistic SLP
 Rachel Dorsey is Autistic and an ASHA-Certified Speech-Language Pathologist. Join us in episode 26 as we totally overhaul everything you thought you knew about the social skills of autistic people. In this episode, we dive into:Rachel’s own experience as an autistic person with neurodiverse and neurodivergent friendshipsThe subtle and insidious ways that OTs and SLPs are teaching our autistic kids to hide their own thoughts and emotions, even when we think we aren’tThe surprisingly negative ways that traditional social and social/emotional interventions can play out throughout a child’s lifeHow we can use a neurodiversity-affirming approach instead to support our clients’ strengths and their sense of positive self-identity and belonging 
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May 19, 2021 • 53min
Empathy, Autistic Shutdowns, & A Strengths-Based Life with Elsbeth Dodman
 Elsbeth Dodman is an autistic artist, creative writer, and public speaker. Tune into episode 25 where we talk about:Elsbeth’s own experience with autistic shutdowns, and the concrete strategies that helped her work through themElsbeth’s brilliant reframe of what “Whole Body Listening” means and why autistic people are actually quite good at itWhat it looks like when we turn the mirror onto neurotypicals and examine concepts like rigidity and empathyHow Elsbeth built a life on her strengths, and how we can support our clients to do the same 
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May 5, 2021 • 44min
A Family-Centered Approach to PDA with Kristy Forbes
 Kristy Forbes. Kristy is an autistic support specialist for neurodivergent people and their families and professionals. She is the founding director of both inTune Pathways and The Neurodivergent Co. Kristy is autistic with ADHD and a Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) profile. She is also the mother to 4 autistic kids. Listen into episode 24 where we explore:Kristy’s experience as a PDA autistic person, professional, and parentHow we can use a family-centered approach to both support our autistic clients and help meet the needs of the whole familyKristy’s biggest advice to professionals supporting autistic people with a PDA profile 
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Apr 21, 2021 • 27sec
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Apr 7, 2021 • 40min
Authenticity & Gender Expression with Lyric Holmans, The Neurodivergent Rebel
 Lyric Holmans is an autistic self-advocate from Texas who runs the neurodiversity lifestyle blog Neurodivergent Rebel. In episode 22, you’ll learn about Lyric’s own experience as a gender fluid autistic person. And we’ll tie this into authenticity in general, including what we can all be doing in our sessions to support positive identity around gender and sexuality. Please note that this episode was recorded before Lyric's name change from Christa.
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Mar 17, 2021 • 60min
Self-Advocacy & Inclusivity: Changing the Paradigm with Zosia Zaks
 Zosia Zaks is a certified rehabilitation counselor, author, and autistic self-advocate. He manages the Towson University's Hussman Center for Adults with Autism, where he teaches service-learning courses that examine autism through a social justice lens. Listen to episode 21 where we explore:How diversity education can truly shift the paradigm to make disability inclusion more effective and empowering for everyoneWhy attitudinal accommodations are the key to positive inclusion for autistic peopleThe concrete ways OTs can support autistic people at workWhat true self-advocacy looks like and why and how to start it youngHow everyone benefits from accommodations and advocacy strategies used by disabled people 
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Mar 3, 2021 • 41min
Pro-Neurodiversity Practices in Action with Jacklyn Googins & Greg Boheler
 Jacklyn Googins is the cofounder of the OTs for Neurodiversity social media movement and the founder of B3 Coffee, an inclusive pop-up coffee stand in Chapel Hill, NC. Greg Boheler, who is autistic, is the cofounder of OTs for Neurodiversity and a board member for B3 Coffee. Join us in Episode 21 where we:Explore the practical changes that OTs for Neurodiversity strives to make in the field of occupational therapy, and how these can completely transform the work we doDive into concrete examples of the content that Jacklyn and Greg create, including how we can shift our thinking on both echolalia and sensory processing differences towards a more strengths-based, person-centered approachLook deeply at the B3 Coffee model and learn how inclusivity and neurodiversity can truly benefit everyone 
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Feb 17, 2021 • 38min
The Double Empathy Problem with Dr. Damian Milton
 Damian Milton is an autistic researcher whose idea spawned a huge shift in how we think about autism.  In this episode, listen in as we explore: - How Damian developed his hypothesis that the trouble with empathy and social skills is a two-way street between autistic and non-autistic people, not a deficit of autistic people - What early research Damian did to confirm this hypothesis - One thing Damian would love to see OTs stop doing with social stories and comic strip interventions with autistic clients - A tip for how to better approach sensory processing challenges with autistic kids, with a cautionary tale from his own life 
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Feb 3, 2021 • 35min
There's No Function without Fun with Autism Level Up
 Jacquelyn Fede is a developmental psychologist and autistic self-advocate and Amy Laurent is a developmental psychologist and pediatric occupational therapist. They are the co-founders of Autism Level Up, where they push people who support and care for autistic people to take our work to the next level. This talk is an edited replay of their interview for the Neurodiversity in the New Year summit. Listen in to the episode to transform your idea of what it means to do play interventions with kids on the spectrum. We’ll dive deep into:How play interventions may be robbing autistic kids of the chance for true, restorative, freely chosen playHow we can reframe developmental interventions that use toys or playful activities, but are not truly play for our clientsWhat it means to truly watch, learn from, and listen to our clients as they joyfully engage in true play 
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Jan 20, 2021 • 47min
Cultural Bilingualism & The Autistic Empire with Sarah McCulloch
 Sarah McCulloch is an autistic occupational therapist based in London, the senior OT in a school for autistic kids, and the founder of The Autistic Empire.  Listen in to episode 17 as we explore:The question we should all be asking ourselves before we start any interventionWhy the best approaches to therapy require the perspective of both autistic and non-autistic therapistsThe important shift Sarah recommends we all make in our work around sensory aversionsHow The Autistic Empire is promoting self-actualization for autistic people (and how we all can too!) 
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