
The Homebrew School Builder's Club
Explore The Homebrew School Builder's Club, where we engage in enlightening dialogues with innovative school founders and leaders. Discover hidden aspects of school building, gain practical wisdom for your educational journey, and connect with a global community of education innovators. Dive into our episodes for transformative insights on the future of education.
Latest episodes

Oct 28, 2024 • 43min
No Default Path: OutSchool’s Approach to Choice-Rich Learning Pathways, with Amir Nathoo
Amir Nathoo, Co-founder and CEO of OutSchool, delves into the transformative educational landscape his platform offers. He discusses how OutSchool merges curiosity-led exploration with structured learning pathways, ensuring each student’s experience is unique. Nathoo emphasizes the importance of AI in guiding educational choices while addressing parent concerns about decision-making. The conversation also touches on OutSchool's global expansion plans and its commitment to providing flexible solutions for children in challenging circumstances.

Oct 23, 2024 • 50min
You Can't Design Student-Led Without The Students, with Chad Carlson from One Stone School
Summary
In this episode of the School Builders Podcast, host Andreas Marinopoulos speaks with Chad Carlson, CEO of Idea 51 and a leader in innovative education. They discuss the unique student-led learning model at One Stone, the challenges and strategies of school transformation, and the importance of real-world connections in education. The conversation also delves into assessment models, the significance of trust in learning environments, and the collaborative efforts to support other schools in their educational journeys.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the School Builders Podcast
04:47 The Evolution of One Stone School
04:56 Core Pillars of One Stone's Educational Model
12:28 Scaffolding and Student Agency in Learning
16:59 The Growth Transcript and Assessment Model
24:28 Empowering Student Learning Through Dynamic Assessment
28:26 Relevance in Education: Connecting Learning to Real Life
34:29 Experiential Learning: The Role of Real-World Contexts
41:36 Leading Change: Observing and Understanding School Culture
47:49 Continuous Improvement: The Journey of Personalized Learning
Key Quotes from Chad Carlson:
"You can’t design student-led for students. They have to be part of it, or else it’s not truly student-led."
"We believe in failing forward—students need the space to make mistakes without penalty, so they can learn, iterate, and grow."
"The real world is our classroom. When you’re tackling real-world problems, all the key learning elements are naturally there."
"We’re process-driven, not content-driven. Our students learn through inquiry and real-world problem-solving, not through memorizing a textbook."
Links:
One Stone Lab School
Idea 51

Sep 13, 2024 • 47min
Surf Skate Science: Hands-On Learning Through Action Sports, with Toni and Uli Frallicciardi
Summary
In this episode of the School Builders Podcast, Andreas speaks with Uli and Toni Frallicciardi, the founders of Surfskate Science, a unique educational program that blends action sports with STEAM principles. They share their journey from running a skate park to creating a community-focused learning experience that emphasizes hands-on learning, resilience, and interdisciplinary education. The conversation explores the impact of their program on students, the structure of their curriculum, and their aspirations for scaling their model while maintaining its core values.
Chapters
01:35 The Journey to Surfskate Science
06:10 Starting in Texas: Building a Skate Park and Homeschooling
06:12 Recognizing the Impact and Potential of Surfskate Science
09:48 The Surfskate Science Program Today
18:29 Engaging Families and Creating Transformative Moments
21:54 Engaging Students Through Passion and Hands-On Learning
25:49 The Power of Skateboarding and Surfing in Education
32:10 Building Resilience and Embracing Failure
36:01 Scaling an Educational Program: Team, Vision, and Process
41:17 Passing on Skills and Knowledge for Future Generations

Aug 20, 2024 • 45min
How Microschools Unbundle Traditional Schooling, with Don Soifer
Summary
Don Soifer, CEO of the National Microschooling Center, discusses the growth and potential of microschools in education. He highlights the diverse models and innovative approaches within the microschooling sector, including full-time, part-time, hybrid, and technology-based models. Don emphasizes the importance of personalization and flexibility in education, allowing for individualized learning experiences and meeting the specific needs of learners. He also discusses the regulatory challenges that microschools face, such as zoning and permitting, and the need for modernizing the regulatory frameworks to support the growth of microschools. Don envisions a future where education is more dynamic, responsive to the changing needs of learners, and aligned with the demands of the 21st-century economy.
Takeaways
Microschools offer diverse models and innovative approaches to education, including full-time, part-time, hybrid, and technology-based models.
Personalization and flexibility are key in microschools, allowing for individualized learning experiences and meeting the specific needs of learners.
Regulatory challenges, such as zoning and permitting, can hinder the growth of microschools, and there is a need to modernize the regulatory frameworks to support their development.
The future of education lies in a more dynamic and responsive system that prepares learners for the demands of the 21st-century economy.
Collaboration and sharing of ideas among microschool leaders and educators are crucial for the growth and success of the microschooling movement.
Sound Bites
"Microschooling are about creating options and learning opportunities that aren't available in traditional schooling."
"Technology empowers the ability to truly personalize education to the individual needs of learners."
"Microschools are proving to be innovative in demonstrating their impact through technology and observation-based methods."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Don Soifer and Microschools
03:27 Shifts and Trends in Microschooling
07:48 Demand and Supply in Microschooling
11:22 Cautionary Tales from the Charter School Movement
13:52 The Role of Technology in Microschools
15:30 Unbundling and Personalization in Microschooling
20:06 Unconventional and Refreshing Microschool Models
24:19 Hurdles and Constraints in Microschooling
27:59 Accelerating the Microschooling Movement
33:11 Envisioning the Future of Microschools

Jul 5, 2024 • 40min
The Village Classroom: Learning In Community Ecosystems, with Courtney Klein
In this episode, we explore the concept of All One Thing with visionary founder Courtney Klein. Born from a moment of parental frustration with traditional schooling, All One Thing is reshaping how we think about learning, working, and community building. Klein shares her journey from running a prototype called Sun School in Austin to developing a nationwide network of integrated learning and co-working spaces. This isn't just about education reform; it's a reimagining of how families can live, learn, and grow together in our rapidly changing world. Klein's approach challenges conventional wisdom, leveraging community assets to create vibrant, flexible learning environments that adapt to modern family needs.
Key Points:
The 'aha' moment: A 6-year-old's wisdom sparks an educational revolution
Sun School: Turning Austin into a citywide classroom
All One Thing: The evolution from prototype to nationwide vision
Repurposing community spaces: How rock climbing gyms become math classrooms
The art of community partnerships: Bakeries, architects, and beyond
Designing the impossible: Challenges in reimagining education
The distributed network model: Membership that travels with you
Bridging city and country: The "commune without commitment" concept
ASU Prep's innovative approach: Micro-schools on corporate campuses
The future vision: Unified family lifestyles and fluid community building
Quotes from Courtney:
"Our daughter asked me one night, 'Mommy, can you tell me a story about when you were a little girl and what you learned in school?' And I said, 'Sweetheart, I learned the same stuff you're learning.' She's like, 'What? That doesn't make any sense.'"
"We're building a distributed network of these everywhere so that families have fluidity. If I'm a member of All One Thing Los Angeles and I fly to Minneapolis for a meeting, I can take my kids with me on the work trip and they can drop into All One Thing and do some interesting classes while we're in town."
"I think there's a lot more people like you and I out there that want it. There are a lot of people that are looking for something that does not yet exist or exists in pockets... We have to disrupt how that happens."
Links Discussed:
ASU Prep Digital: https://www.asuprepdigital.org/
Wicked Workshop: https://www.wickedworkshop.org/
Live Near Friends: https://www.livenearfriends.com/
"Brave New Home" book (mentioned by Courtney)
Where to Find Courtney:
All One Thing website: https://allonething.xyz
All One Thing social media: @allonethingxyz

Jun 27, 2024 • 37min
Decentralizing Education: The Forces Behind the Micro-School Boom, with Kerry McDonald
Host Andreas chats with Kerry McDonald, author of 'Unschooled,' diving into the rise of micro-schools post-COVID. They discuss tech's role, universal school choice policies, and maintaining innovation. Kerry emphasizes joyful learning environments and the impact of technology on innovative education models.

Jun 18, 2024 • 54min
Student agency in the time of AI, with Tobin Slaven
In this episode, host Andreas welcomes Tobin Slaven, head of Acton Academy in Fort Lauderdale, to discuss innovative education methods. Tobin shares insights on fostering student agency, the importance of conflict resolution and promises, and the transformative potential of personalized learning. The conversation delves into the use of smart goals, creating meaningful work, and the role of AI in education. Tobin emphasizes that the key to future success lies in students learning to collaborate with AI and developing critical thinking through self-evaluation and reflection.
00:00 The Role of AI in Education
01:06 Introduction to Tobin Slavin
01:20 Tobin's Journey in Education
02:52 The Acton Academy Model
03:41 Challenges and Innovations in Education
13:47 Conflict Resolution and Promises
16:44 Celebrations and Creating Moments
22:17 Peer-to-Peer Learning and Agency
27:45 Empowering Self-Directed Learning
28:11 Conflict Resolution and Self-Management
28:49 Building Blocks for Student Agency
29:46 Connecting to Meaningful Work
31:07 Acton Model and Real-World Skills
31:59 Feedback Systems and 360 Reviews
35:58 Learning Design vs. Curriculum
36:28 Goal Setting and Smart Goals
37:45 Learning How to Learn
41:26 The Role of AI in Education
42:52 Critical Thinking and Metacognition
46:24 Meaningful Work and AI Collaboration
49:22 The Future of Education and AI
50:51 Failing Forward and Continuous Improvement
52:48 Children as Natural Scientists
53:12 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

May 19, 2024 • 49min
Allowing Students to Sprint, with Amy McGrath
Summary
Amy McGrath, from ASU Prep, and Andreas discuss the innovative K-12 offerings at Arizona State University and the importance of building new school models. They explore ASU Prep's partnership with Khan Academy and the Khan World School. They also discuss the implementation of mastery-based learning and the balance between synchronous and asynchronous learning. Amy shares the importance of student choice and autonomy, as well as the role of learning success coaches and extracurricular activities in keeping students connected and engaged. They also touch on the rise of microschools and the potential of entrepreneur-led models. Finally, they also discuss the complexities of credit systems and the need for alternative assessments to recognize student mastery.
Takeaways
ASU Prep offers innovative K-12 school models within the Arizona State University system, focusing on new models that parents are demanding.
The partnership between ASU Prep and Khan Academy has resulted in the creation of the Khan World School, combining online courses, technology, and teaching pedagogy.
The implementation of mastery-based learning presents challenges in managing students at different paces, but the use of synchronous and asynchronous learning opportunities helps address this.
Student choice and autonomy are key in ASU Prep's models, allowing students to build their own learning journey and engage in extracurricular activities.
Learning success coaches play a crucial role in supporting students and keeping them connected.
Microschools and hybrid learning models require careful consideration of community context and local leadership.
Scalable models should prioritize student support and individualized learning rather than focusing solely on scalability.
Alternative assessments, such as projects and portfolios, can be used to recognize student mastery and provide a more comprehensive view of learning.
Technology can play a role in creating personalized learning experiences and making learning aesthetically appealing for students.
Supporting high-achieving students with loaded transcripts requires rethinking traditional credit systems and advocating for policy changes in higher education.

Apr 19, 2024 • 42min
Crafting the Next Generation of Microchools with Primer's Ryan Delk
This episode of The Homebrew School Builder's Club features a deep dive into the inception and operation of Primer, an innovative platform aimed at transforming the K-12 education system by empowering top teachers to launch their own micro schools.
Ryan, the guest, shares his personal journey from experiencing alternative education through a homeschool co-op founded by his mother to launching tech companies and eventually starting Primer. He highlights the existential crisis in the current education system and proposes micro schools as a viable solution.
Primer provides a comprehensive operating system for these schools, handling everything from regulatory work to curriculum development, aiming to deliver a personalized learning experience focusing on mastery-based progression, student agency, and project-based learning. Ryan discusses the challenges and strategies involved in scaling micro schools, the role of technology in education, and the potential of AI to revolutionize learning experiences.
The discussion also touches on the importance of reducing friction in launching new schools, legislative efforts to ease the process, and the vision for scaling micro schools to impact the broader education landscape.
00:00 The Urgency of Reforming Education
00:25 Introducing The Homebrew School Builder's Club Podcast
01:24 Ryan's Journey: From Homeschooling to Tech Entrepreneur
03:01 The Genesis of Primer: Empowering Microschools
04:14 Primer's Educational Philosophy: Mastery, Agency, and Passion
05:01 Expanding the Microschool Movement: Successes and Strategies
11:31 The Evolution of Primer: From Homeschooling to Full-Stack Education
16:50 The Structural Advantages of Microschools
21:26 Overcoming Regulatory Hurdles and Expanding Access
25:50 Finding and Empowering the Top 1% of Teachers
31:19 Balancing Virtual and Physical Learning Experiences
36:13 Future of Education: Leveraging AI and Expanding Microschools
42:05 Closing Thoughts and the Homebrew Ethos

Feb 27, 2024 • 48min
Embracing New Pedagogical Models with Prisma's Emily Veno
Episode Summary:
This episode explores curriculum design for progressive education with Emily Veno, Head of Learning Innovation at Prisma School. We delve into the unique curriculum design of Prisma School, focusing on project-based learning, interdisciplinary themes, and the development of essential life skills.
Emily emphasizes the advantages online schools offer compared to traditional settings, highlighting the increased flexibility and the freedom to break from outdated constraints. The conversation wraps up with a thought-provoking discussion about the potential of online environments to revolutionize education as we know it.
Guest Introduction:
Emily Veno is a passionate advocate for innovative education and currently leads the Learning Innovation team at Prisma School, an online institution committed to fostering a love of learning and equipping students with the skills they need to thrive in the 21st century.
Key Takeaways:
Reimagining Curriculum Design: Emily sheds light on Prisma School's approach to curriculum design, emphasizing project-based learning as a core pedagogical method. This approach encourages students to delve deeper into subjects through hands-on projects, fostering critical thinking, collaboration, and problem-solving skills. She also highlights the importance of interdisciplinary themes, where students explore connections between different subjects, creating a more holistic and meaningful learning experience. Additionally, Prisma School prioritizes the development of essential life skills, such as communication, collaboration, and critical thinking, preparing students for success beyond academics.
Advantages of Online Schools: Compared to traditional brick-and-mortar schools, online schools offer several key advantages. Emily highlights the increased flexibility online learning provides, allowing students to learn at their own pace and from the comfort of their homes. Additionally, online schools are often unconstrained by traditional structures, enabling them to embrace innovative approaches to education that might be hindered by the limitations of more established systems.
The Future of Education: The conversation concludes with the question: Can online environments truly revolutionize education? While the full potential of online learning is still being explored, Emily emphasizes the exciting possibilities it holds. Online schools offer a unique opportunity to break away from outdated models, fostering creative and flexible learning environments that empower students to become independent learners and future-ready individuals.
Further Exploration:
Podcast of Enrollhand with Victoria Ransom: https://blog.enrollhand.com/emoji-shower/ In this episode, Emily Veno joins Victoria Ransom to discuss the future of education and the role technology can play in creating engaging and personalized learning experiences.
Podcast of Enrollhand with Ted Tindersmith: https://blog.enrollhand.com/change-happens-slowly-right-up-until-it-happens-quickly-with-ted-dintersmith: Ted Tindersmith, a leading voice in education innovation, joins the discussion to explore the potential of online learning to transform the way we educate our children.
Prisma School Website: https://joinprisma.com: Learn more about Prisma School's unique approach to online education and discover how they are shaping the future of learning.
We hope this episode has sparked your curiosity about the innovative world of online education. Join us as we continue to explore the future of learning and the exciting possibilities it holds!
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