
"Econ 102" with Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg
Economist and "Noahpinion" writer Noah Smith and investor Erik Torenberg make sense of what’s happening in the news, technology, business, and beyond, through the lens of economics. Econ 102 is a part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: turpentine.co
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Jan 31, 2025 • 1h 9min
Paul Krugman on Leaving NYT, America's Economy, and Trump
The conversation dives into Paul Krugman's shift from traditional journalism to independent writing, highlighting the freedom it offers. They explore how public perception of the economy is often skewed by political affiliations. The podcast also delves into the strategic importance of U.S. manufacturing for national security, especially in light of geopolitical tensions. Additionally, they reflect on America's political climate today versus past eras, emphasizing a growing sense of risk and the evolving dynamics of trade policy.

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Jan 29, 2025 • 1h 7min
Trump's Executive Orders, China's Economy, The Bull Case for the Middle East, and Europe's Decline
The conversation dives into the implications of Trump's executive orders on U.S. politics, raising concerns about economic instability and stagflation. The hosts explore Michael Pettis's insights on China's economy and the potential effects of tariffs. An optimistic outlook for the Middle East emerges, focusing on solar energy and agricultural advancements. Additionally, they discuss the socio-political challenges Europe faces with integration and cultural differences, drawing parallels to historical transformations.

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Jan 22, 2025 • 1h 12min
Noah Smith on Taiwan's Future, Nuclear Proliferation, and Trump 2.0 [ChinaTalk]
Lily Ottinger, managing editor and Taipei correspondent for ChinaTalk, chats with Noah Smith about urgent geopolitical matters. They delve into how Trump's potential second term could shift Asian dynamics, especially with tech sectors influencing policy. The conversation touches on nuclear arms, particularly Japan and South Korea's security needs, and Taiwan’s historical nuclear ambitions. They also analyze China's economic stagnation and the impact of debt deflation, offering insights into the island's defense strategies and future economic prospects.

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Jan 15, 2025 • 58min
A Debate with Scott Sumner: Industrial Policy, China, and National Security
In this engaging conversation, Scott Sumner, a renowned economist and former director at the Mercatus Center, dives into the shifting dynamics of U.S.-China relations and its impact on industrial policy. He critiques the retreat from neoliberalism towards more authoritarian approaches, especially in manufacturing green technology. The discussion also highlights China's role in global climate efforts, debates the effectiveness of tariffs, and underscores the essential link between manufacturing capabilities and national security amid rising geopolitical tensions.

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Jan 9, 2025 • 1h 2min
Canada After Trudeau, Immigration Debate, and China's Economy
Geopolitical tensions between the U.S. and China take center stage, with discussions about a potential invasion of Taiwan and the implications for Xi Jinping's leadership. Economic challenges in China, such as deflation and a real estate crisis, are analyzed, stressing the need for government intervention. The evolving landscape of U.S. politics, influenced by shifting demographics, is explored alongside critiques of Canada’s stagnant economy. Lastly, the significance of global protests in 2019 is highlighted, linking them to broader political and societal changes.

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Jan 2, 2025 • 1h 2min
Trump, Tariffs, and the New 80s: America's Next Cultural Reset
Delve into Silicon Valley's cultural sway as it shapes social dynamics and trends. The discussion navigates the decline of 'wokeness' and echoes past societal shifts. The complexities of U.S. tariffs on China reveal challenges for American manufacturing. Explore the intricate relationship between Trump and Musk, highlighting competing visions for the economy. Finally, the conversation touches on the CHIPS Act and the pressing need for effective austerity measures amidst evolving political landscapes.

91 snips
Dec 25, 2024 • 55min
China's Demographic Time Bomb and America's Economic Future
China's demographic challenges pose significant risks as the nation grapples with a deflationary crisis from a real estate bubble and debt issues. The hosts explore the complexities of economic crises, emphasizing the distinct policy responses needed for currency crises versus deflationary issues. They analyze the trade deficit's impact on the U.S. economy and the long-term implications of currency stability. Additionally, they discuss the nuanced differences between total GDP and GDP per capita, shedding light on their importance in understanding national power versus living standards.

55 snips
Dec 18, 2024 • 57min
Relationships, Gender Wars, and Online Culture with Katherine Dee (Default Friend)
Katherine Dee, an author and former dating advice columnist, shares her insights on modern dating dynamics shaped by technology and social media. She discusses how dating experiences can differ dramatically across locations like San Francisco and New York. The conversation dives into the prevalence of 'situationships' and avoidant behavior among younger generations. Dee also examines the cultural implications of the Me Too movement and evolving views on masculinity and femininity, highlighting the fragmented nature of contemporary relationships.

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Dec 11, 2024 • 60min
The New Left, Health Insurance Myths, and Solving Underpopulation
Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg discuss the high costs of healthcare, the challenges facing the center-left, the possibility of infinite economic growth, solutions to declining fertility rates, and the role of technology in addressing demographic challenges.--🙏 Help shape our show by taking our quick listener survey at https://bit.ly/TurpentinePulse.--RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Unpack PricingDive into the dark arts of SaaS pricing with Metronome CEO Scott Woody and tech leaders. Learn how strategic pricing drives explosive revenue growth in today's biggest companies like Snowflake, Cockroach Labs, Dropbox and more.Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765716600Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/38DK3W1Fq1xxQalhDSueFg--Highlights from the Episode:
Health insurance companies are often unfairly blamed for high healthcare costs, while making only 1-3% profit margins. The real cost drivers are healthcare providers and hospital systems.
National health insurance, as implemented in countries like Japan, can effectively control costs but may risk reducing healthcare innovation.
Population growth follows exponential functions, meaning societies are always trending toward either over-population or under-population, with no stable middle ground without active intervention.
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118 snips
Dec 4, 2024 • 1h 8min
A Debate on Immigration, Ethnostates, and National Identity
The discussion kicks off with a deep dive into nationalism and ethnostates, highlighting their philosophical underpinnings. Immigration policies and their impact on national identity are explored, focusing specifically on Japan’s unique cultural assimilation challenges. The contrasting views of classical liberalism versus 'woke' ideologies provide a thought-provoking lens on social dynamics. Finally, the complexities of global governance and the risks of authoritarianism are examined, urging listeners to consider their implications in today's world.