
Be Mythical
The Be Mythical podcast is a top 1.5% globally ranked show for old souls in this new world to be inspired, guided, and activated by deep, soul-stirring explorations with remarkable thinkers, wisdom keepers, visionaries, and healers about how to overcome the greatest challenge of your life… To become your unique medicine and actualise your own soul’s myth.
Old souls are the ones who came here in these crazy modern times to do vital work in service of Spirit and their communities… typically as spiritual practitioners, coaches, innovators, disruptors, healers, teachers, medicine people, and visionary leaders.
We’ve been running since 2014 so there are hundreds of mythical, magical, and mystical episodes to choose from that weave together ancient ways for modern days… shamanism, archetypal work, rewilding, embodiment, alchemy, psychedelics and plant medicine, astrology, non-dual spirituality, shadow work, and so much more.
In short, Be Mythical is the antidote for old souls struggling to find their way in this new world.
Listen now to join us for the mythical adventure that your soul has been calling you into.
Our love and blessings,
Lian & Jonathan
Latest episodes

Dec 19, 2023 • 1h 2min
Telos: How to honour and choose soul-aligned growth - Joanna LaPrade
This week’s show is with the amazing Dr Joanna LaPrade. Joanna LaPrade, M.A. Ph.D., is a Registered Psychotherapist, author, speaker, and educator. Joanna LaPrade, M.A. Ph.D., earned her doctorate in Jungian and archetypal psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute. She is now the founder of Aion Psychotherapy and a practicing Jungian psychotherapist in Colorado. Her therapeutic work focuses on helping clients find a meaningful connection to their inner worlds. Outside of her practice, Dr. LaPrade is a speaker and educator whose expertise focus on myth, psyche, and the Jungian and archetypal perspective. She is also the author of Forged in Darkness: The Many Paths of Personal Transformation, a book that unites self-discovery with mythology, to handle an important dilemma of our times—how to navigate the darkness of life. In this conversation, Dr Joanna and Lian dived deep into an exploration, inspired by the question of: What is true growth? They nerded out on telos, fate, astrology, and symbols, and the inherent paradox and challenges we’re brought present to whilst journeying on this path. I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you’ll learn from this episode: Joanna shared Jung’s self-reflective question of “Who am I to have this happen to me?” - this is an orientation to our lives that can invite and open us into having a deep intimacy with ourselves. Allowing symbols to emerge and yet, holding them lightly and allowing the space for the tension of not knowing allows more to arise What will help you to hold the tension between the known and unknown, to journey with the deep questions without needing to kill the questions or fix the problem? Resources and stuff that we spoke about: For more information about Dr. Joanna’s work, visit www.aionpsychotherapy.com Books mentioned: The Sound of Bells by Norah Moore Jung’s Studies in Astrology: Prophecy, Magic, and the Qualities of Time by Liz Greene Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe then you’ll get each new episode delivered to your phone every week automagically (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan

Dec 12, 2023 • 50min
How to notice resistance tempting you away from your soul's truth - Maggy Whitehouse
This week’s show is with Maggy Whitehouse. Maggy Whitehouse is an independent sacramental minister, a lifetime student of Judaeo-Christian mysticism, the author of 20 books on spirituality, mysticism and Bible metaphysics and started out as a stand-up comedian at the age of 56. She was a finalist in the 2015 UK Funny Women Awards. Maggy has worked in newspapers, radio, TV, for the BBC’s famed World Service and, most recently, was Sunday morning faith presenter for BBC Radio Devon. She made it on to Wikipedia after writing a sensible book about Opus Dei at the time of all the palaver over The Da Vinci Code. She has been widowed, divorced, healed from cancer, worked as a hospice chaplain, ridden on a Bengal tiger and survived a barracuda attack off the Barrier Reef. Both Maggy’s mother and her Bishop think she should get a proper job. In this show, Lian and Maggy explored resistance, specifically through the lens of how it shows up in the form of temptations to avoid expressing our soul’s truth, how we can tell when it’s showing up (by design it’s sneaky), and how we can learn to orient back to our souls and God. I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you’ll learn from this episode: Noticing your ‘Should’s and ‘Yes but’s… they are clues to resistance showing up Make your connection to the Divine a priority, do it first and often, 30 seconds of meditation, lighting a candle, going to your altar, speaking a prayer… a little goes a long way to taking you back to your soul Let the light of your own unique soul be that which helps others to navigate back to theirs Resources and stuff that we spoke about Maggy’s Website that you can check out: maggywhitehouse.com treeofsapphires.com Listen to Maggy’s podcast: Train Wrecks for Jesus. Introducing Mark and Maggy The Chapel of Liberation meditation that Maggy offered: here’s a link to her podcast in which she shares it Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe you’ll receive every show as soon as it's released (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan

Dec 7, 2023 • 1h 3min
The hidden connection between autistic women and healing gifts - Wendy Dooner
This week’s show is with Wendy Dooner. Wendy Dooner is a Medical Herbalist and Shamanic Practitioner from Scotland who is passionate about reconnecting women with the innate healing wisdom of nature and their bodies. Wendy graduated from university in 2005 with a Bachelor of Science (honours) degree in Herbal Medicine (Phytotherapy) and, more recently, a 3-year advanced Shamanic Practitioner course. Weaving back together the threads of science, magic and spirituality in herbal medicine has been a major focus of her practice recently and is a cornerstone of her teachings; she now practices what she has called Shamanic Herbalism. Through her online courses, workshops, or one-on-one consultations, Wendy ensures that this wonderful blend of ancient wisdom and modern science reaches all her students. At the heart of Wendy's practice is her profound connection with her native medicinal plants. She believes that these plants hold the answers to many of our modern ailments. In her practice, Wendy doesn't just prescribe herbs; she introduces her clients to a world where plants are people; they are teachers, guides, allies and elders. She believes that every plant has a story to tell and a lesson to impart, and it's her mission to facilitate these transformative conversations between nature and the individual. She lives happily in a small community in the foothills of the Cairngorms in Scotland with her husband and 2 young sons, where she forages in the wilds of the moorlands, grows herbs in her messy garden and skateboards at every spare opportunity. In this show, Lian and Wendy explored our experience and understanding of autistic people, and maybe especially women, being designed to be healers, how the very aspects of ourselves that have created struggles, can be used in service of helping others to heal, and what we’ve seen can be helpful to alchemise those challenges into gold. I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you’ll learn from this episode: As both Lian and Wendy’s experiences showed, being late diagnosed as a woman can bring its own emotions and challenges - there’s a reckoning and grieving needed in order to move forward into claiming the gifts that autism brings Pattern recognition, empathy, adherence to ritual, openness to spirits and other realms, and attention to detail are all aspects of autism that can be used in service of supporting others in their journey to wholeness Diving into the work of reclaiming the unwanted and hidden parts of us is challenging for most people but maybe especially for autistic people for whom there has been an even greater challenge, necessity, and effort needed to fit in and function - it requires the right support and readiness, and we can be helped by understanding and using some of the very same gifts we will ultimately serve to others. Resources and stuff that we spoke about Visit Wendy’s Website: wendydooner.com The Center for Shamanism: Shamanic Herbal 1:1 with Wendy Follow The Center of Shamanism in Social Media: Facebook: Wendy Dooner Instagram: @wendy.shamanicherbalist Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe you’ll receive every show as soon as it's released (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan

Nov 28, 2023 • 1h 18min
How to become your unique soul’s medicine: 5 personal stories - Lian Brook-Tyler
This week’s show is a round table conversation with five medicinal souls sharing their journey of becoming their medicine. They are Sara Sanderson - a soul guide and seer, Pablo Meccano, a coach, shadow worker, science fiction writer & grower of medicinal plants, Kate Barsby - a soul guide, Georgie Anstey - a community farmer, and Karl Brooks - a drum circle facilitator. All of whom are alumni of different cohorts of our signature crucible Medicine, which guides medicinal old souls to discover their purpose, uncover their unique gifts, and become their medicine. The journey they went on is an ancient journey, experienced in different ways in different cultures across the world and throughout history, and so the episode was a rich exploration of their own personal journey of this archetypal journey, traveling deep into their sacred wounds, to alchemise their medicine, first giving it to themselves and then serving it to others. Lian was called to hold the conversation in a circle-style way, similar to Medicine itself, so you’ll hear each person speaking themselves into circle using their medicine name, something that was uncovered during their work in Medicine. Notice what intrigues or activates you, both in the medicine names and also throughout the episode - and what it might reveal about your own soul’s calling. I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you’ll learn from this episode: I loved how each of the medicinal ones had different experiences of Medicine, including why they joined, even though the work journeyed through was apparently the same - this is because the work is really happening inside them - their own soul’s longings, wounds, alchemy, and medicine. What Karl said, and Pablo echoed, about the power of not knowing and journeying with the mystery, is an important principle of initiation, and is required when we are journeying into territory beyond the ideas and tools we have learned and clung to. Kate and Georgie both shared about how their medicine was first taken by themselves - we can only alchemise that potency and uniqueness of medicine ourselves - and this is true nature of healing. What Sara shared about truth and expression is something that is so important for all medicinal souls to hear - most of us are meant to express ourselves in ways that are different to most people in our modern culture. That’s the most challenging thing of all for so many of us, and why we benefit from doing this work in a circle of others who can witness and support us in that unfurling into our truth. Resources and stuff that we spoke about: Medicine ‘24: find out more and book your Medicine Illumination call HERE Sara Sanderson has a background in coaching and mentoring across the arts, business and community sectors with a passion for supporting people to bring out their creative expression. She sees the potential in others and love to help them to see it too and live fully. Sara has an open and honest approach to life offering a nurturing, loving, truthful, and playful connection with the people she meets and works with. Sara guides and liberates people to live from the truth of who they are, fully expressed to be and do what their soul came here for. She does this professionally through her role as Connection Creatrix at Waking The Wild, and for her own 1:1 clients. She is currently on a journey to undertake an apprenticeship to become a Soul Guide with Waking The Wild Ltd, and to rebirth the social enterprise she co-founded in 2020. Pablo Meccano is a life coach, shadow worker who was once an accomplished designer/maker, turned to living his truth and works from a cabin as a writer and guide, landlocked but never bored in Hertfordshire. He is a grower of herbs, a forager who advises on nutrition and some of nature’s more medicinal gifts, and describing his latter-life, as the difference between night and day, guides others to discover the same for themselves. Currently he is setting up a retreat for self-discovery in Cornwall, and continues to write in the genre of science-fiction, both short stories and novels. He invites us all to get out of our head – to that place where us humans were always meant to manifest – meaningfully – quite purposefully from heart in the now. Find out more about Pablo at shamandalacoaching.com Kate Barsby is a Meaning-Maker, Spiritual Guide, Rites of Passage Doula, Ceremony Creator and Holder. She provides spiritual support and soul guidance to women in midlife who long to deepen into themselves, and life, create more ease and love in their relationships and express the fullness of who they came here to be. Find out more about Kate at sacredopenings.com Georgie Anstey is an unlikely farmer who, as part of a cooperative of people, runs a community supported agriculture project in Stroud in Gloucestershire. Common Soil provides nourishing food grown in a respectful relationship with nature and in a way that supports wildlife habitats. The initiative offers people very local food, a say over how food is grown and provides a place where they can connect to the land, the seasons and each other. Georgie completed Medicine in 2021, while setting up this community farm. Find out more about Georgie at commonsoil.co.uk Karl Brooks’ drum circles: dragonflywellnessuk.co.uk Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe then you’ll get each new episode delivered to your phone every week automagically (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan

Nov 21, 2023 • 1h
The value of journeying into the underworld in change-work - Dr Joanna Laprade
This week’s show is with the amazing Dr Joanna Laprade. Joanna LaPrade, M.A. Ph.D., is a Registered Psychotherapist, author, speaker, and educator. Joanna LaPrade, M.A. Ph.D., earned her doctorate in Jungian and archetypal psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute. She is now the founder of Aion Psychotherapy and a practicing Jungian psychotherapist in Colorado. Her therapeutic work focuses on helping clients find a meaningful connection to their inner worlds. Outside of her practice, Dr. LaPrade is a speaker and educator whose expertise focus on myth, psyche, and the Jungian and archetypal perspective. She is also the author of Forged in Darkness: The Many Paths of Personal Transformation, a book that unites self-discovery with mythology, to handle an important dilemma of our times—how to navigate the darkness of life. In this conversation, Dr Joanna and Lian dived deep into the underworld, what that means for us personally and in our work with others, the challenges of that given the functioning bias of our modern culture, and how we can better honour and become intimate with the dark places in our psyches and our work. I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you’ll learn from this episode: Our culture is so focused on functioning, the direct route, bigger, brighter and braver, it can be very unwelcome to be pulled into the underworld to meet the parts of ourselves that have been left there, especially when that entails a risk of not functioning As change workers we need to go first, embodying and modeling an intimacy with the darkness, it is only from here that we can hold the space for our clients to do the same The myths can illuminate the path into and out of the darkness - allowing us to see the deeper, collective, and archetypal nature of what we’re experiencing Resources and stuff that we spoke about: For more information about Dr. Joanna’s work, visit www.aionpsychotherapy.com Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe then you’ll get each new episode delivered to your phone every week automagically (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan

Nov 14, 2023 • 58min
How mythic narratives bring vital energy and forgotten wisdom for healing - Michael Meade
This week’s show is with Michael Meade. Michael Meade, D.H.L., is a renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, anthropology, and psychology. He combines hypnotic storytelling, street-savvy perceptiveness, and spellbinding interpretations of ancient myths with a deep knowledge of cross-cultural rituals. He has an unusual ability to distill and synthesize these disciplines, tapping into ancestral sources of wisdom and connecting them to the stories we are living today. He is the author of Awakening the Soul, The Genius Myth, Fate and Destiny: The Two Agreements of The Soul, Why the World Doesn't End, The Water of Life: Initiation and the Tempering of the Soul; editor, with James Hillman and Robert Bly, of Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart; and the creator of the Living Myth Podcast. Michael Meade is the founder of Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, a nonprofit network of artists, activists, and community builders that encourages greater understanding between diverse peoples. In this conversation, Michael and Lian explored the wonderful topic of how mythic narratives reveal hidden knowledge for healing and making things whole, especially for those of us working as change-makers and healers of others. I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you’ll learn from this episode: I’ve noticed that so many people can connect the dots back to events in childhood that seeded their destiny, or marked their soul, as Michael said. Michael’s own story of being gifted the book of mythology was a beautiful example of this. I also loved how he said that our calling will keep calling! Stories are a way we can enter the dream, the other world, as a group - and discover our place in the story. As Michael said, archetypes come with vital energy and intention - which is exactly what we need right now for healing ourselves and the collective Myths show us that beginnings come with endings and that as Michael said “the cracks are where the archetypes get through.” Resources and stuff that we spoke about: Mosaic Website: https://www.mosaicvoices.org/ Living Myth Podcast: https://www.mosaicvoices.org/podcast Michael Meade Events: https://www.mosaicvoices.org/events Michael Meade Courses: https://courses.mosaicvoices.org/ Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe then you’ll get each new episode delivered to your phone every week automagically (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan

Nov 7, 2023 • 54min
How to use the powerful art of divination in your work as a spiritual practitioner - Jessica Howard
This week’s show is with Jessica Howard, an author and a mentor who has been a practicing witch for over 20 years. She has dabbled in a wide array of magick, including Ceremonial Magick, Chaos Magick, Heathenry, as well as less witchcraft based spiritual practices like Buddhism and Taoism. She is the author of 'The Art of Lithomancy' and 'The Water Witch: An Introduction To Water Water Witchcraft', and she has a passion for all things spiritual. Jessica currently mentors as a part of an online group, specifically in Energy Work, Kitchen Witchcraft, Guided Meditation and Visualisation and Lithomancy. In this conversation, Jessica and Lian explored the fascinating topic of divination, and specifically through the lens of healers and guides using divination as part of our work when serving our clients. I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you’ll learn from this episode: As change workers, there’s a powerful distinction to relate to divination as a way to awareness of what’s at play now, rather than as fortune-telling, for both ourselves and also in our work with others What are we connecting with: specific spirits, our own subconscious, or Spirit/God as a whole? Or maybe all three. Wild nature is perhaps our oldest and most innate form of divination and is something that holds deep potential for understanding ourselves in the family of things Resources and stuff that we spoke about: Jessica’s Website: www.thecottagemystic.com Instagram: @thecottagemysticwitch Jessica’s Author Page: https://www.collectiveinkbooks.com/moon-books/authors/jessica-howard Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe then you’ll get each new episode delivered to your phone every week automagically (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan

Nov 2, 2023 • 39min
Reclaiming the magical way of life via your lost animist landscape - Rob Wildwood
This week’s show is with Rob Wildwood. Rob Wildwood is an author, a photographer, a tour guide and a folklore researcher from the North of England. Rob Wildwood was born in a seaside town in Yorkshire and spent his childhood exploring the local countryside and the myths and folklore of the North York Moors. He was introduced to Norse shamanism in his early twenties and had a keen interest in history, particularly the history of Britain’s pagan past. He spent many years taking part in Viking festivals all over Europe and spent some years living in Scandinavia where he expanded his online business called ‘The Jelling Dragon’ which sells hand-crafted reproductions of Viking artefacts. He was fascinated by the animist beliefs of primitive cultures, which see everything in nature as being imbued with spirit. This led Rob to travel the world experiencing indigenous cultures, including spending time with the Kalahari Bushmen, the nomadic Penan of Borneo and the forest Naikas of India. These travels revived his interest in shamanism and he eventually returned to England to study core shamanism in Glastonbury. While there he also became involved in the faery scene where people dressed as magical beings and even practiced a form of pagan faery spirituality. This marked the beginning of another long adventure where he sought out and photographed magical places all over Britain, tuning into the energies of these places and receiving channelled messages using shamanic journeying techniques. This led directly to the publication of his first book ‘Magical Places of Britain’ which is a richly illustrated photographic guide to the folklore of these sites. His spiritual adventures and visionary experiences while visiting these sites have now finally been collated into this book you are holding, ‘The Land of the Fae’. Rob has subsequently visited many more sacred sites and magical places, both in Britain and while travelling extensively around the world, including sites in Ireland, Scandinavia, North America, Hawaii, New Zealand, Indonesia, India and eventually Australia, where he spent several seasons studying Aboriginal culture and exploring the dreamtime legends of the sacred landscape there. These experiences led to the publication of his book ‘Primal Awareness’ which seeks to answer the question: “Why did mankind become so separated from nature and world of spirit?” The book also offers exercises that seek to redress this imbalance. Rob also became interested in dowsing, ley lines and earth energies, and has followed ley lines extensively across Britain and Europe. He eventually settled down in Glastonbury, Somerset where he still lives and is self-employed as an author, photographer and tour guide. In this conversation, Rob and Lian explored the magical history of Britain, how we can reconnect to this land and its spirits, and reclaim the magical, mythical worldview that’s our human birthright. I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you’ll learn from this episode: The folklore and tales of the land can act like maps showing us the magical places and beings that inhabit those places that are waiting for us to re-discover them To commune with the spirits of the land, we need to create the right conditions to open to them - whether that’s a shamanic journey, following the breath or entering trance in some other way. Rob has seen that the beings of the land want to be recognised and honoured again - we can give them that with our attention and offerings Resources and stuff that we spoke about: For more information about Rob, visit his website and Facebook page: Website: themagicalplaces.com Facebook: Rob Wildwood's Magical Places Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe then you’ll get each new episode delivered to your phone every week automagically (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan

Oct 21, 2023 • 1h 10min
Are you a wounded healer? Here's how you'll know... and how to heal - Lian Brook-Tyler
All The Everything is Lian’s monthly solo show where she often shares what she’s been creating, consuming, and celebrating before diving deep into a topic inspired or chosen by members of The Wolf Pack. The LIVE making of the show is recorded in our Facebook group and for the first 30mins before Lian hits the record button you are invited to a pre-show party to get up close and personal with Lian and have your questions on the month’s topic answered. To receive a reminder of when the pre-show party and LIVE making of All The Everything is happening, make sure you’re subscribed to our email list and are a member of the Facebook group. All the details you need are HERE! In this episode, Lian dived deep into the topic ‘Who is the Wounded Healer?’, answering questions and sharing the experiences of group members. She covered: Who is the Wounded Healer? This could be anyone in the work of making well and whole, chances are you don’t call yourself a healer (I didn’t for a long time), you might call yourself a coach, guide or some kind of teacher, leader or practitioner How to illuminate your core wound The importance of your wound in your work (and what happens when we bypass or deny the wound as many innocently do, especially in spiritual circles) How to alchemise your wound into medicine - ie how you can heal the wound and serve others most deeply from it Resources and stuff that we spoke about: To see your Chiron placement, look at the sign (e.g. Pisces), the House (e.g. 7th House), and aspects such as conjunctions and oppositions, especially with your Sun Listen to podcast: The Shadow Pole: Do you know when your actions are still coming from fear? Read blogs related to Wounded Healer below: Are you a wounded healer? ♐️ Happened 💫 Join Wild Wednesday if you haven’t already: wakingthewild.com/wildwednesday Share in the group what showed up for you listening to this show, including any questions: fb.com/groups/wakingthewild If you want to go deeper then take a look at Medicine Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe then you’ll get each new episode delivered to your phone every week automagically (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan

Oct 16, 2023 • 55min
Why our relationship to spirit is vital to our work as change-workers - Maggy Whitehouse
This week’s show is with Maggy Whitehouse. Maggy Whitehouse is an independent sacramental minister, a lifetime student of Judaeo-Christian mysticism, the author of 20 books on spirituality, mysticism and Bible metaphysics and started out as a stand-up comedian at the age of 56. She was a finalist in the 2015 UK Funny Women Awards. Maggy has worked in newspapers, radio, TV, for the BBC’s famed World Service and, most recently, was Sunday morning faith presenter for BBC Radio Devon. She made it on to Wikipedia after writing a sensible book about Opus Dei at the time of all the palaver over The Da Vinci Code. She has been widowed, divorced, healed from cancer, worked as a hospice chaplain, ridden on a Bengal tiger and survived a barracuda attack off the Barrier Reef. Both Maggy’s mother and her Bishop think she should get a proper job. In this show, Lian and Maggy explored the importance of our relationship to God for those of us in the work of serving as healers (whether or not we call ourselves that) - how we as wounded healers need to go to the source of the wound we have about God in order to heal it, the different ways this wounding shows up, and that can be revealed in what we will and won’t call God (which informed the very naming of this show!). I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you’ll learn from this episode: Maggy’s story of her late husband and how it wounded her was such a clear example of how we can experience disconnection from God, not everyone’s story will be as obvious as this but it doesn’t mean the wound isn’t there Becoming aware of how we perceive we are being punished or abandoned by God, and understanding that it isn’t what’s truly happening, means we can begin to heal our relationship What are the words for God that you feel uncomfortable with or feel a strong negative reaction to? You can use this as an enquiry into where the wound might be. Resources and stuff that we spoke about Maggy’s Website that you can check out: maggywhitehouse.com treeofsapphires.com Listen to Maggy’s podcast: Train Wrecks for Jesus. Introducing Mark and Maggy The Chapel of Liberation meditation that Maggy offered: here’s a link to her podcast in which she shares it Thank you for listening! There’s a fresh episode each week, if you subscribe you’ll receive every show as soon as it's released (that way you’ll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian and Jonathan