

Talking To Change - A Motivational Interviewing Podcast
Glenn Hinds & Sebastian Kaplan
Hosted by Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan, Talking To Change – A Motivational Interviewing podcast, is a series of conversations exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) and its influence on supporting individuals and groups as they make positive health and lifestyle changes. Guests from across the world discuss their special interest in the research, practice and learning of MI along with its place across health, social care, education and criminal justice.
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Sep 1, 2025 • 1h 20min
Ep 89 – Doing and Being MI
Glenn and Sebastian bring you a different sort of episode. Recorded over three parts, plus a brief intro, they discuss a clinical scenario that Sebastian was involved with through the lens of Doing and Being MI. They consider the four elements of the MI spirit and discuss the technical element of evoking change talk.
Episode index:
0:00 – Episode intro
2:07 – Part I begins
6:15 – Overview of the group
18:15 – How do we know if we are being helpful?
34:28 – Part II begins
47:00 – How does change talk fit?
1:03:30 – Part III begins
1:20:06 – End of episode
For suggestions, questions, and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing, contact Glenn & Sebastian:
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
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Apr 28, 2025 • 1h 3min
Ep 88 – Using Motivational Interviewing in Crisis Response
Episode 88 – Using Motivational Interviewing in Crisis Response
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Casey Jackson to discuss using Motivational Interviewing (MI) in crisis response situations. Casey is the CEO of the Institute for Individual and Organizational Change and an internationally recognised expert in evidence-based communication that drives real-world results. With over 40 years in behavioural health, Casey has trained thousands of professionals across healthcare, social services, first responders, and government—helping leaders and teams turn intention into lasting impact.
He is a long-time member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) and the lead author of the Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment (MICA), a widely adopted tool for building fidelity in MI practice. Casey’s work centres on translating powerful communication strategies into practical tools that empower people to lead with clarity, connect with purpose, and create lasting change.
Episode index:
0:00 – Episode intro
6:25 – Casey’s introduction and early MI story
10:30 – “How do we help people help people?”
13:45 – Bridging law enforcement with mental health
19:50 – Deescalating the brain with MI
29:15 – Helping police officers respond to people in crisis
34:15 – The five intentions/mindsets: 1) Activation; 2) Guiding; 3) Expressing accurate empathy; 4) Partnership; and 5) Evoking
43:05 – Beyond reflective listening
58:30 – Opening an MI-based clinic
1:03:16 – End of episode
Links and resources:
Email: casey.jackson@ifioc.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing, contact Glenn & Sebastian:
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
BlueSky:
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Sebastian Kaplan
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Apr 8, 2025 • 1h 1min
Ep 87 – Integrated Primary Care and Motivational Interviewing
Integrated Primary Care and Motivational Interviewing
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Daniel Mullin, PsyD, MPH to discuss Integrated Primary Care and Motivational Interviewing. Dan is the Director of the Center for IPC and a Professor in the Department of Family Medicine and Community Health at UMass Chan Medical School. Dan is a clinician, educator, researcher, and consultant specializing in the integration of behavioral health and primary care services. He maintains a clinical practice embedded in the Barre Family Health Center, a rural family medicine residency practice in Massachusetts. Dan is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers and provides training in Motivational Interviewing to healthcare providers. He is a developer of the Practice Integration Profile, a measure of the integration of behavioral and primary care services.
Episode index:
0:00 – Episode intro
4:30 – Dan’s introduction and early MI story
10:08 – What is helpful about MI in high risk situations?
16:15 – “Your patient begins to teach you…”
21:10 – Making decisions based on thoughts
25:15 – IPC and why MI is a good fit
32:00 – Four principles of IPC: 1) Access; 2) Coordination; 3) Continuity; 4) Comprehensiveness
44:10 – Expanding the scope of practice for medical and behavioral health practitioners
48:35 – How MI offers a common language for integrated primary care
51:51 – Empathy as a way to “do no harm”
57:00 – Dan’s department celebrating its 50 year anniversary
1:01:02 – End of episode
Links and resources:
Center for Integrated Primary Care website – https://www.umassmed.edu/cipc/
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
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Sebastian Kaplan
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Mar 20, 2025 • 1h 7min
Ep 86 – Becoming a MINTie
Join Colin O’Driscoll, an accredited psychotherapist and MINT Training Coordinator, Kenzie Leffingwell, a passionate advocate for suicide prevention, and Mark Bowley, an AOD workforce development officer. They discuss the rewarding journey of becoming a MINTie and the challenges faced by aspiring trainers. The conversation highlights the power of community, the significance of experiential learning, and the integration of motivational interviewing in crisis support. They inspire listeners to pursue education in mental health and emphasize the importance of compassion in the field.

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Feb 4, 2025 • 1h 30min
Ep 85 – Ambivalence and Motivational Interviewing
Dr. Allan Zuckoff is a clinical psychologist with over 30 years dedicated to motivational interviewing research and training. In this discussion, he explores ambivalence as a strength in therapeutic settings. Zuckoff emphasizes the importance of integrating values into practice, fostering strong client relationships. He navigates the complexities of emotional resilience and the significance of recognizing anticipatory discord in therapy. The conversation also highlights how curiosity about client struggles can lead to meaningful behavior change.

Jan 7, 2025 • 1h 8min
Ep 84 – MI for Gambling Addiction
Episode 84 – MI for Gambling Addiction
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed David C. Hodgins, Ph.D., R.Psych., FCAHS, FRSC, to the program to discuss MI for gambling addiction. Dr. Hodgins is a professor in the Program in Clinical Psychology in the Department of Psychology, University of Calgary and is director of the Addictive Behaviours Lab at the University of Calgary. Dr. Hodgins is also a research coordinator with the Alberta Gambling Research Institute. His research interests focus on various aspects of addictive behaviours including relapse and recovery from substance abuse and gambling disorders. Dr. Hodgins teaches in the clinical psychology program and has an active cadre of graduate students. He maintains a private practice in Calgary in addition to providing consultation to organizations internationally.
Episode index:
0:00 – Opening and episode preview
05:56 – David’s background and early MI story
17:22 – Early work with people who gamble and the development of a self-help book
22:25 – Differences and similarities between gambling and other addictions
29:20 – MI for gambling
37:00 – Change talk and sustain talk in the context of MI with people who gamble
48:40 – Supporting the autonomy of people who gamble
53:40 – What is important for a gambling clinician to know?
1:01:38 – Working with industry to support harm reduction efforts
1:07:30 – End of episode
Contact info and related links:
Email: dhodgins@ucalgary.ca
Learn more about David’s research and team: www.addiction.ucalgary.ca
Workbooks and other self-help material: https://ucalgary.ca/labs/addictive-behaviours/resources/workbooks
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Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
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Sep 9, 2024 • 1h 22min
Ep 83 – MI with Couples
Episode 83 – MI with couples
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Tyrel Starks, PhD, onto the podcast to discuss his work on MI with couples. A South Dakota native, Dr. Starks studied two years at Oberlin Conservatory before returning to the University of South Dakota to complete his undergraduate degree in psychology. He earned his PhD in child-clinical psychology from Southern Illinois University Carbondale in 2009. After a post-doctoral fellowship at Hunter College, he returned to join the faculty of the Psychology Department in 2014 and is now a professor. For more than 15 years, he has studied relationships and health, particularly substance use and HIV-related health in sexual minority men. The development of motivational interviewing with couples has been at the heart of this work. A licensed clinical psychologist and member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers, he is active as a trainer and clinical supervisor.
Episode index:
0:00 – Opening and episode preview
04:42 – Tyrel’s journey from music to MI
13:15 – Intersection of HIV and substance use
21:25 – Early days of Tyrel’s work with couples
26:50 – MI with couples
31:10 – Relationship functioning before talking about change
38:00 – Balancing seeking consensus with evoking change talk
50:30 – Unique shifts for the practitioner: Introspection and use of language
57:20 – How might communication within the couple change?
1:12:20 – Future directions for MI with couples
1:15:45 – Cultivating common ground from political disagreements
1:21:59 – End of episode
Contact info and related links:
Email: tstarks@hunter.cuny.edu
Learn more about Dr. Starks’ research and team: https://www.hunterrhrt.org/
Read Dr. Starks’ blog about LGBTQ+ relationships:https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/queer-relationships-no-straight-lines
Learn more about MI with couples:https://global.oup.com/academic/product/motivational-interviewing-with-couples-9780197549643?cc=us&lang=en&
MI in Groups: https://www.guilford.com/books/Motivational-Interviewing-in-Groups/Wagner-Ingersoll-Contributors/9781462507924
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
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Aug 5, 2024 • 1h 12min
Ep 82 – MI at Home
Episode 82 – MI at Home
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Stephen Rollnick, PhD to the podcast to discuss the application of MI to conversations with family members. Steve is a clinical psychologist and Honorary Distinguished Professor in the School of Medicine, Cardiff, UK, and a co-founder of motivational interviewing.
He grew up in Cape Town, South Africa and lives in Cardiff, Wales. He was a practising psychologist in the UK National Health Service for 16 years, and then became a teacher and researcher on the subject of communication and behaviour change.
He has authored and co-authored books on motivational interviewing (Miller & Rollnick, 1991; 2001; 2012), and on applications in health care (Rollnick, Mason & Butler, 1999; Rollnick, Miller & Butler, 2007; 2022), schools (Rollnick, Kaplan & Rutschman, 2016) and sport (Rollnick, Fader, Breckon & Moyers, 2019).
He has published widely in scientific journals and has taught practitioners in many countries and continents. He has retired from his academic career and now focuses on projects in elite sport and healthcare.
Episode Index:
00:00 – Episode preview
07:18 – MI at home – where the idea started
13:08 – Steve’s story about working with mothers with babies infected with AIDS
20:00 – Steve recalls an article about MI at home written by his son Jake as a young man
27:30 – What else is there to change besides behavior?
46:50 – The importance of “restraint”
59:00 – Conversations with others at home (not just kids)
1:07:50 – Steve’s work with first responders and elite sportsmen
1:11:46 – End of episode
Contact information
Website: www.stephenrollnick.com
X: @stephenrollnick
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Jul 8, 2024 • 1h 4min
Ep 81 – MI for Sport & Performance
MI for Sport and Performance
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr. Ben Freakley, CMPC on the podcast to discussed MI in sport and performance settings. Ben is a leader in the field of applied sport and performance psychology with a career spanning over two decades. He is the founder and CEO of Ready, Set, Resilient, which provides sports and performance psychology services to individuals, teams, and organizations.
Throughout his career, Ben has held several significant positions. He served as the Head of Mental Performance for the Toronto Blue Jays, where he led the development and delivery of mental skills programs across all levels of the organization. He was also the inaugural head coach and general manager of Tormenta FC in the United Soccer League (USL). His expertise extends to tactical environments, having worked as the performance psychology coach with the 75th Ranger Regiment of the United States Army Special Operations Forces.
Ben holds a doctoral degree in Sport and Performance Psychology with an emphasis in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. He is also a Certified Mental Performance Consultant (CMPC) through the Association for Applied Sport Psychology (AASP). His research focus areas include leadership preferences of NCAA Division One coaches and psychological frameworks that promote human flourishing.
Before his full-time work in sport and performance psychology, Ben spent over a decade as an NCAA College Soccer coach demonstrating his versatility and depth in coaching, psychology of performance, and team culture.
In his private practice, Ben works with executives and businesses, professional athletes and teams, and NCAA college athletics programs to help them evaluate and enhance their processes, performance, and well-being.
Ben is a sought-after speaker on topics such as resilience, mental performance, motivation, leadership, and organizational culture.
Episode index:
00:00 – Opening and episode preview
05:27 – Ben intro and early MI story
08:35 – Autonomy support in sport and military settings
15:01 – Shifting between following, guiding, and directing
17:20 – MI spirit in sport
24:45 – “Being a warm fire”
28:00 – Progressive sporting institutions
41:00 – What is success beyond winning?
43:00 – Situations in sport when MI helps
54:45 – Key points for coaches to learn and apply
1:04:14 – End of episode
Contact information:
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ben-freakley-edd-cmpc-a5036bb1
Website: rsrcoaching.com
Email: bencfreakley@gmail.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
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Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
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Jun 24, 2024 • 57min
Ep 80 – Motivational Interviewing & Behaviourism
Dr. James Anderson, Chief of Psychiatry, discusses behaviorism and Motivational Interviewing. Topics include compassion, applying behavioral concepts to change, psychedelic-assisted therapy, and integrating MI with radical behaviorism for patient language structuring.