
Talking To Change - A Motivational Interviewing Podcast
Hosted by Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan, Talking To Change – A Motivational Interviewing podcast, is a series of conversations exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) and its influence on supporting individuals and groups as they make positive health and lifestyle changes. Guests from across the world discuss their special interest in the research, practice and learning of MI along with its place across health, social care, education and criminal justice.
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Apr 8, 2025 • 1h 1min
Ep 87 – Integrated Primary Care and Motivational Interviewing
Integrated Primary Care and Motivational Interviewing
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Daniel Mullin, PsyD, MPH to discuss Integrated Primary Care and Motivational Interviewing. Dan is the Director of the Center for IPC and a Professor in the Department of Family Medicine and Community Health at UMass Chan Medical School. Dan is a clinician, educator, researcher, and consultant specializing in the integration of behavioral health and primary care services. He maintains a clinical practice embedded in the Barre Family Health Center, a rural family medicine residency practice in Massachusetts. Dan is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers and provides training in Motivational Interviewing to healthcare providers. He is a developer of the Practice Integration Profile, a measure of the integration of behavioral and primary care services.
Episode index:
0:00 – Episode intro
4:30 – Dan’s introduction and early MI story
10:08 – What is helpful about MI in high risk situations?
16:15 – “Your patient begins to teach you…”
21:10 – Making decisions based on thoughts
25:15 – IPC and why MI is a good fit
32:00 – Four principles of IPC: 1) Access; 2) Coordination; 3) Continuity; 4) Comprehensiveness
44:10 – Expanding the scope of practice for medical and behavioral health practitioners
48:35 – How MI offers a common language for integrated primary care
51:51 – Empathy as a way to “do no harm”
57:00 – Dan’s department celebrating its 50 year anniversary
1:01:02 – End of episode
Links and resources:
Center for Integrated Primary Care website – https://www.umassmed.edu/cipc/
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Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
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Mar 20, 2025 • 1h 7min
Ep 86 – Becoming a MINTie
Join Colin O’Driscoll, an accredited psychotherapist and MINT Training Coordinator, Kenzie Leffingwell, a passionate advocate for suicide prevention, and Mark Bowley, an AOD workforce development officer. They discuss the rewarding journey of becoming a MINTie and the challenges faced by aspiring trainers. The conversation highlights the power of community, the significance of experiential learning, and the integration of motivational interviewing in crisis support. They inspire listeners to pursue education in mental health and emphasize the importance of compassion in the field.

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Feb 4, 2025 • 1h 30min
Ep 85 – Ambivalence and Motivational Interviewing
Dr. Allan Zuckoff is a clinical psychologist with over 30 years dedicated to motivational interviewing research and training. In this discussion, he explores ambivalence as a strength in therapeutic settings. Zuckoff emphasizes the importance of integrating values into practice, fostering strong client relationships. He navigates the complexities of emotional resilience and the significance of recognizing anticipatory discord in therapy. The conversation also highlights how curiosity about client struggles can lead to meaningful behavior change.

Jan 7, 2025 • 1h 8min
Ep 84 – MI for Gambling Addiction
Episode 84 – MI for Gambling Addiction
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed David C. Hodgins, Ph.D., R.Psych., FCAHS, FRSC, to the program to discuss MI for gambling addiction. Dr. Hodgins is a professor in the Program in Clinical Psychology in the Department of Psychology, University of Calgary and is director of the Addictive Behaviours Lab at the University of Calgary. Dr. Hodgins is also a research coordinator with the Alberta Gambling Research Institute. His research interests focus on various aspects of addictive behaviours including relapse and recovery from substance abuse and gambling disorders. Dr. Hodgins teaches in the clinical psychology program and has an active cadre of graduate students. He maintains a private practice in Calgary in addition to providing consultation to organizations internationally.
Episode index:
0:00 – Opening and episode preview
05:56 – David’s background and early MI story
17:22 – Early work with people who gamble and the development of a self-help book
22:25 – Differences and similarities between gambling and other addictions
29:20 – MI for gambling
37:00 – Change talk and sustain talk in the context of MI with people who gamble
48:40 – Supporting the autonomy of people who gamble
53:40 – What is important for a gambling clinician to know?
1:01:38 – Working with industry to support harm reduction efforts
1:07:30 – End of episode
Contact info and related links:
Email: dhodgins@ucalgary.ca
Learn more about David’s research and team: www.addiction.ucalgary.ca
Workbooks and other self-help material: https://ucalgary.ca/labs/addictive-behaviours/resources/workbooks
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Sep 9, 2024 • 1h 22min
Ep 83 – MI with Couples
Episode 83 – MI with couples
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Tyrel Starks, PhD, onto the podcast to discuss his work on MI with couples. A South Dakota native, Dr. Starks studied two years at Oberlin Conservatory before returning to the University of South Dakota to complete his undergraduate degree in psychology. He earned his PhD in child-clinical psychology from Southern Illinois University Carbondale in 2009. After a post-doctoral fellowship at Hunter College, he returned to join the faculty of the Psychology Department in 2014 and is now a professor. For more than 15 years, he has studied relationships and health, particularly substance use and HIV-related health in sexual minority men. The development of motivational interviewing with couples has been at the heart of this work. A licensed clinical psychologist and member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers, he is active as a trainer and clinical supervisor.
Episode index:
0:00 – Opening and episode preview
04:42 – Tyrel’s journey from music to MI
13:15 – Intersection of HIV and substance use
21:25 – Early days of Tyrel’s work with couples
26:50 – MI with couples
31:10 – Relationship functioning before talking about change
38:00 – Balancing seeking consensus with evoking change talk
50:30 – Unique shifts for the practitioner: Introspection and use of language
57:20 – How might communication within the couple change?
1:12:20 – Future directions for MI with couples
1:15:45 – Cultivating common ground from political disagreements
1:21:59 – End of episode
Contact info and related links:
Email: tstarks@hunter.cuny.edu
Learn more about Dr. Starks’ research and team: https://www.hunterrhrt.org/
Read Dr. Starks’ blog about LGBTQ+ relationships:https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/queer-relationships-no-straight-lines
Learn more about MI with couples:https://global.oup.com/academic/product/motivational-interviewing-with-couples-9780197549643?cc=us&lang=en&
MI in Groups: https://www.guilford.com/books/Motivational-Interviewing-in-Groups/Wagner-Ingersoll-Contributors/9781462507924
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
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Aug 5, 2024 • 1h 12min
Ep 82 – MI at Home
Episode 82 – MI at Home
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Stephen Rollnick, PhD to the podcast to discuss the application of MI to conversations with family members. Steve is a clinical psychologist and Honorary Distinguished Professor in the School of Medicine, Cardiff, UK, and a co-founder of motivational interviewing.
He grew up in Cape Town, South Africa and lives in Cardiff, Wales. He was a practising psychologist in the UK National Health Service for 16 years, and then became a teacher and researcher on the subject of communication and behaviour change.
He has authored and co-authored books on motivational interviewing (Miller & Rollnick, 1991; 2001; 2012), and on applications in health care (Rollnick, Mason & Butler, 1999; Rollnick, Miller & Butler, 2007; 2022), schools (Rollnick, Kaplan & Rutschman, 2016) and sport (Rollnick, Fader, Breckon & Moyers, 2019).
He has published widely in scientific journals and has taught practitioners in many countries and continents. He has retired from his academic career and now focuses on projects in elite sport and healthcare.
Episode Index:
00:00 – Episode preview
07:18 – MI at home – where the idea started
13:08 – Steve’s story about working with mothers with babies infected with AIDS
20:00 – Steve recalls an article about MI at home written by his son Jake as a young man
27:30 – What else is there to change besides behavior?
46:50 – The importance of “restraint”
59:00 – Conversations with others at home (not just kids)
1:07:50 – Steve’s work with first responders and elite sportsmen
1:11:46 – End of episode
Contact information
Website: www.stephenrollnick.com
X: @stephenrollnick
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Jul 8, 2024 • 1h 4min
Ep 81 – MI for Sport & Performance
MI for Sport and Performance
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr. Ben Freakley, CMPC on the podcast to discussed MI in sport and performance settings. Ben is a leader in the field of applied sport and performance psychology with a career spanning over two decades. He is the founder and CEO of Ready, Set, Resilient, which provides sports and performance psychology services to individuals, teams, and organizations.
Throughout his career, Ben has held several significant positions. He served as the Head of Mental Performance for the Toronto Blue Jays, where he led the development and delivery of mental skills programs across all levels of the organization. He was also the inaugural head coach and general manager of Tormenta FC in the United Soccer League (USL). His expertise extends to tactical environments, having worked as the performance psychology coach with the 75th Ranger Regiment of the United States Army Special Operations Forces.
Ben holds a doctoral degree in Sport and Performance Psychology with an emphasis in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. He is also a Certified Mental Performance Consultant (CMPC) through the Association for Applied Sport Psychology (AASP). His research focus areas include leadership preferences of NCAA Division One coaches and psychological frameworks that promote human flourishing.
Before his full-time work in sport and performance psychology, Ben spent over a decade as an NCAA College Soccer coach demonstrating his versatility and depth in coaching, psychology of performance, and team culture.
In his private practice, Ben works with executives and businesses, professional athletes and teams, and NCAA college athletics programs to help them evaluate and enhance their processes, performance, and well-being.
Ben is a sought-after speaker on topics such as resilience, mental performance, motivation, leadership, and organizational culture.
Episode index:
00:00 – Opening and episode preview
05:27 – Ben intro and early MI story
08:35 – Autonomy support in sport and military settings
15:01 – Shifting between following, guiding, and directing
17:20 – MI spirit in sport
24:45 – “Being a warm fire”
28:00 – Progressive sporting institutions
41:00 – What is success beyond winning?
43:00 – Situations in sport when MI helps
54:45 – Key points for coaches to learn and apply
1:04:14 – End of episode
Contact information:
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ben-freakley-edd-cmpc-a5036bb1
Website: rsrcoaching.com
Email: bencfreakley@gmail.com
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Jun 24, 2024 • 57min
Ep 80 – Motivational Interviewing & Behaviourism
Dr. James Anderson, Chief of Psychiatry, discusses behaviorism and Motivational Interviewing. Topics include compassion, applying behavioral concepts to change, psychedelic-assisted therapy, and integrating MI with radical behaviorism for patient language structuring.

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May 19, 2024 • 0sec
Ep 79 – MI & Health Coaching
MI and Health Coaching
Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Amanda Gabarda, EdD and Susan Butterworth, PhD to discuss health coaching and Motivational Interviewing. Dr. Gabarda is currently the Senior Director of Clinical Training & Development at UPMC Health Plan where she is responsible for designing, scaling, and evaluating evidence-based training, quality assurance, and health behavior change interventions for digital, telephonic, and in-person health coaching and care management. Dr. Gabarda is passionate about combining coaching and behavior change science to empower individuals to live their best and healthiest lives. She has a Bachelor and Master of Science in Exercise Science, a Master of Public Health, and a Doctorate of Education. She is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers, a National Board Certified Health and Wellness Coach, and a Certified Health Education Specialist.
Dr. Susan Butterworth is currently an Associate Professor at the Center for Health System Improvement at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center and Director of Patient Engagement for the Tennessee Heart Health Network. Susan is also the founder of Q-consult, LLC which provides consulting and training services to large organizations to improve patient engagement and patient-centered care. Her clinical background is exercise physiology and she received her doctoral degree in adult education and training with a cognate in health promotion from Virginia Commonwealth University. Susan specializes in the application of motivational interviewing-based health coaching interventions in healthcare and is well-published in this area. In addition, she has been awarded or served on multiple grants to assess the impact of health coaching interventions in healthcare organizations including health plans, hospitals, and clinics. She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Networking of Trainers (MINT) since 2002.
Episode Index:
0:00 – Opening and episode preview
5:33 – Amanda and Susan’s introduction and early MI stories
11:30 – How MI changed the delivery of health coaching
16:00 – The psychology of lifestyle change
23:00 – What has been the response to MI from clients and organizations
30:00 – Coaching as a “vehicle for learning and growing and transforming”
36:30 – Coaching as a brief intervention
42:45 – How does a health coach fit into the healthcare system
49:55 – What is the experience of being a health coach
58:00 – Research on MI and health coaching
1:05:30 – Amanda and Susan learning about artificial intelligence
1:09:20 – Real-play with Susan and Sebastian
1:18:00 – Real-play debrief
1:26:24 – End of episode
Links and Contact Information:
LinkedIn
Amanda: linkedin.com/in/amanda-gabarda-edd-mph-nbc-hwc
Susan: linkedin.com/in/susan-butterworth-qconsult
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
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Apr 14, 2024 • 1h 12min
Ep 78 – Self-Help MI
MI and Self-Help
Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Michelle Drapkin, PhD, to discuss Motivational Interviewing and self-help. Dr. Drapkin has been working in the area of behavior change for over 20 years. She is the Owner/Director of the CBT Center and previously held roles in industry (Johnson and Johnson), academia (University of Pennsylvania and Rutgers) and federal government (Department of Veteran Affairs). She has dedicated her professional career to using psychological research to help people. She is a board-certified Clinical Psychologist and sees patients in her private practice, consults with healthcare tech start-ups, and delivers trainings and workshops on communication/motivation and health and wellbeing at work and in life. She is the sole author of The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change: The Essential Workbook for Creating the Life You Want from New Harbinger Publications.
Episode Index:
0:00 – Opening and episode preview
4:42 – Michelle’s introduction and early MI story
10:55 – Enhancing motivation through behavioral principles
19:08 – “How does one do MI with oneself?”
24:20 – Self-compassion: Having a more effective relationship with our inner critic
30:20 – “A way of being with ourselves”
42:30 – Using Michelle’s self-help book
45:45 – Trying the “best self” exercise
1:08:25 – Michelle supporting her daughter
1:11:44 – End of episode
Links and Contact Information:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledrapkin/
Website: https://cbtcenterofcentralnj.com/
Link to Michelle’s book: https://cbtcenterofcentralnj.com/the-motivational-interviewing-path-to-personal-change/
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
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