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Feb 27, 2020 • 33min

Risk is Everywhere with Allison Schrager (EP.87)

You can’t get anything good out of life without taking a risk, and this holds true in the world of investing too. Depending on the situation, people are willing to either pay more for high-risk or risk-free, and matters become more complex because the term 'risk-free' means a different thing to everybody. Today’s guest is economist Allison Schrager, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, author of An Economist Walks into a Brothel, and long time collaborator with Nobel laureate, Bob Merton. Allison is an expert on risk and she joins us in this episode to speak about this topic in relation to retirement and retirement finance. We talk about the idea that while risk has been given conventionally bad associations, it can be more accurately understood as a probability distribution between the future occurrence of both potentially good and potentially bad things. Allison shares her opinions about how both young and old people should approach risk, and stresses the importance of having clearly defined goals and a good financial advisor. She shares her thoughts on managing systemic vs idiosyncratic risk, why the retirement crisis is not all doom and gloom, and the laddered bond portfolio she developed with Bob Merton. Joining this episode, you’ll also hear Allison speak about how misinformation causes people to be hesitant about annuities, the connection between risk management in surfing and investing, and why investing in education is smarter than investing in a house. Allison covers a whole lot more risk-related topics in this episode too, so don’t miss out on it. Key Points From This Episode: Allison’s definition of risk: as a probability distribution. [0:02:54.0] The idea that the word risk pertains to both good and bad things. [0:03:57.2] Relativity of the term ‘risk-free’ and its fundamental connection to price. [0:04:20.0] Probability of, and skill in, taking risks depending on how they are presented. [0:05:11.0] The value of having a clear goal in mind as far as managing risk. [0:07:19.0] Strategies for managing systematic vs idiosyncratic risk. [0:09:20.0] Value adds advisors can give for managing systematic risk. [0:10:01.0] Retirement goals in the current crisis and Allison’s work with Bob Merton. [0:11:51.0] The retirement problem as a problem of income, not wealth. [0:12:17.0] A duration matching laddered bond portfolio as a risk-free retirement plan. [0:13:18.0] Why 401(k)s are wealth focused compared to defined benefit plans. [0:14:43.0] Statistics around retirement age casting the retirement crisis in less of a bad light. [0:15:19.0] Why people are scared of putting their retirements into annuities. [0:17:08.0] Misinformation that people are given that make them bad at retirement planning. [0:17:53.0] Similarities between risk and mitigation in surfing and market investing. [0:19:39.0] Idiosyncratic and systemic risks faced upon purchasing a house. [0:21:26.0] An argument for investing in education over homeownership. [0:22:24.0] Why time diversification is a fallacy in Allison’s opinion. [0:24:00.0] Pros and cons of investing in mostly bonds or mostly equities. [0:24:52.0] The ultimate riskiness of 60/40 portfolios and other products too. [0:27:04.0] Thoughts on the new trend of adding private equity to portfolios. [0:28:40.0] How the global shortage of safe assets could have an economic impact. [0:30:31.0] Advice for pre-retirees: have goals, have a good financial advisor, and plan. [0:32:12.0]
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Feb 20, 2020 • 53min

Uninsurable Condos, Floundering Robo Advisors, and Counterfactual Thinking (EP.86)

Let's say you make a choice that had you chosen differently, things would ostensibly have turned out more favourably. Later on, a similar situation comes up and you make the choice you think you should have made previously in the hope that the result you wanted before will come true this time around. This is called counterfactual thinking and it forms the main topic of our discussion in today’s episode. First publicized in a fascinating paper called The Psychology of Preferences, Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky explore the abundance of instances where humans employ irrational ‘what if’ thinking in their processing of recently made decisions that resulted in an undesirable outcome. People tend to think back and wish that they had made a different choice, irrationally thinking that if they had, things would have worked out better. This idea, of course, has applications to investing in stocks with particular implications due to the utter randomness of the market. This is a mind-blowing discussion about human irrationality with links to many leading papers that research this principle in relation to different situations. Outside of our main discussion, we also touch on why you should think twice before buying a condo, the utter absurdity of the Robo-Advisor business model, monthly posted DVD accounts and the surprising birth of Netflix, and finally, the ambiguity of Vanguard’s partnering with HarbourVest. Key Points From This Episode: The story of Netflix’s origin starting by renting DVDs out by post. [0:02:30.0] Life expectancy, annuities, and Wade Pfau’s ideas on Safety-First retirement planning. [0:04:56] Investor/insurer reluctance and why you shouldn’t buy a condo. [0:07:23] The Robo-Advisor financing crisis and eventual merge of software and humans. [0:11:28] Counterfactual thinking and how it affects investment patterns. [0:17:40] The central role closeness of a related incident plays in ‘what if’ thinking. [0:21:21] Contrast effects: winning $50 feels good unless you could have won $100. [0:24:42] Causal inference effects: rectifying a past problem by acting its solution in the future. [0:27:37] Investor preferences reflecting counterfactual thinking and attachment to stocks. [0:31:27] The effect the end of WW1 had on people to blind them to the coming depression. [0:36:00] How there is no proof that if we acted differently a desired set of realities would result. [0:40:22] The randomness of the stock market and how mastering it is thus impossible. [0:41:34] Tools for beating counterfactual thinking: document your original rationale, etc. [0:43:19] Jason Zweig’s tips: lightning rarely strikes twice, and only gamble 10% of your money. [0:44:17] Bad or good advice? Vanguard’s partnering with HarbourVest. [0:47:32] How private equity valuations used to be low, resulting in high expected returns. [0:50:09] And much more!
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Feb 13, 2020 • 1h 13min

Growth of the Experience Economy: A Transformation of the Financial Services Industry with Dennis Moseley-Williams (EP.85)

The financial advice industry has always been a place of change, and yet certain old practices hang around for decades. Our guest today, Dennis Moseley-Williams, is all about moving things forward for the good of the client and the advisor. The basis of his understanding is the characterization of the economy as one fundamentally built around experiences. Applying this lens to the financial sector means that advisors need to think about how to provide more than just a service to their clients, they need to stage an experience and a process of curated growth and learning. In our conversation, Dennis unpacks the evolution up to this point, showing how each step requires adjustments and progress from providers and the space that opens up due to technological advances must be filled with something of value. We discuss communication, fulfillment and happiness and Dennis makes a strong argument for the role of the financial advisor reaching beyond the bank; he believes it should include all important areas of life. The last part of the episode is spent thinking about ways that willing advisors can offer the most to their clients and how to pitch and scale these businesses in the smartest ways. For this fascinating chat with a truly innovative thinker and gifted speaker, be sure to join us! Key Points From This Episode: Dennis' explanation of the experience economy and trends in the financial services industry. [0:04:04.4] How Dennis found himself in the world of finance and investments. [0:07:07.7] The evolution of the skillset needed for good financial advice. [0:09:38.2] The five stages of experience and the lasting impact of a meaningful experience. [0:14:40.7] What the experience economy means in terms of finding good financial advice. [0:18:52.9] The space created by new tech advances and what will fill it. [0:23:35.6] Better communication in today's economy; physical and virtual experiences. [0:31:41.5] Differences between big and small business; pitching your offer for those who care. [0:33:29.3] Red flags and green lights for investors in the search for the right advisor. [0:38:12.2] The place of technical financial know-how and its decreasing value. [0:42:31.7] How an advisor can fill the space left by the church. [0:48:31.3] Happiness and fulfillment; putting funded contentment at the top of the list. [0:54:47.8] Dennis' hopes and predictions for the future of financial advice. [0:59:00.2] A highly differentiated and relevant offer — the recipe for success. [1:01:35.5] Connecting clients and allowing relationships to grow out of advice. [1:04:02.6] The question of scale; the care and caution that goes into growth. [1:08:39.9] Dennis' own definition of success in his life! [1:10:54.6]
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Feb 6, 2020 • 1h 13min

Mawer, The Value Premium, and Investing Costs plus ESG Follow-up with Tim Nash (EP.84)

On today’s episode of The Rational Reminder, we once again cover a host of topics. We begin with Cameron sharing his thoughts on a book he recently finished, The Ride of a Lifetime, and some of the lessons he took away from it. We then tackle three listener questions, where we cover Mawer and index funds hypothetically driving prices. Then, in the portfolio portion of the show, we turn our attention to value premiums. Fama and French recently released a paper on the topic, and Ben is naturally very excited to share his assessment on it. We unpack how value has performed in the US, unexpected big value findings, and other takeaways from the paper. After that, we explore the total cost of ownership in our planning section. These are expenses that you incur when you begin investing. We shed light on some of them and the effect they have on your investments. Finally, we end the show with Tim Nash’s take on our assessment of sustainable investing in episode 82. His insights offer an interesting perspective on the topic. While we can’t say we’re fully on board with his active position, it’s certainly a fascinating viewpoint. Don't miss out on today’s jam-packed show!  Key Points From This Episode: Takeaways from the audience’s reception to episode 83 on cryptocurrency. [0:00:52.0] Insights and lessons from The Ride of a Lifetime, which Cameron recently finished. [0:04:13.0] More about Mawer: Data about and insights on how the company has fared. [0:08:48.0] What would happen if index funds could hypothetically drive prices? [0:22:34.0] What’s interesting about the timing of Fama and French’s new paper, The Value Premium. [0:25:46.0] The thesis of Fama and French’s paper and what they found over measured periods. [0:26:49.0] Why Fama and French used how value did relative to the market. [0:29:17.0] How value performed between 1992-2019 and a surprising finding about big value. [0:31:04.0] Ben’s takeaways from the Fama and French study. [0:33:18.0] Conclusions from Fama and French’s 2019 paper, Volatility Lessons. [0:36:37.0] How other countries performed on market-wide value versus the market. [0:38:30.0] Clarifying the confusion around the management expense ratio and some empirical data. [0:40:00.0] The conflict of interest inherent in commission-based products. [0:42:39.0] What the trading expense ratio is and how it works. [0:43:47.0] Things similar to fees: Cash drags, large cap against distribution, and withholding tax. [0:47:50.0] ‘Bad advice of the week’: Globe and Mail [0:48:48.0] An overview of Tim Nash’s services and his take on Ben’s ESG presentation. [0:54:00.0] Tim’s critique of the assumption of lower returns when it comes to equity. [0:57:07.0] Why externalities are so important with ESG even though they are glossed over. [0:58:12.0] There is so much that we don’t know about ESG because it’s all so new. [1:01:45.0] Why Tim believes we should invest in the green companies even with the current market structure. [1:06:08.0] Ben and Cameron’s take on Tim’s insights. [1:09:32.0]
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Jan 30, 2020 • 42min

Bitcoin vs. Gold: Digital Currencies as an Asset Class with Michael Sonnenshein (EP.83)

The last ten years have seen so much said and done in the cryptocurrency space, and yet the future of bitcoin is still somewhat unclear. For Michael Sonnenshein however, bitcoin and the crypto market still offer the freedom and possibilities that have long been espoused as their greatest values. He joins us today to talk about his role at Grayscale Investments, how Grayscale fits into the larger Digital Currency Group family and how he envisions the wide-open future possibilities for bitcoin. We discuss some basics for the bitcoin conversation and Michael does a sterling job of setting out the lay of the land at present. From there, we turn to the role of Grayscale in dealing with bitcoin which can also be bought directly. Michael then takes the opportunity to compare bitcoin and gold; showing how they overlap and then bitcoin improves on the benefits that gold investments have historically provided. The last part of the conversation is spent addressing the safety of bitcoin and how time is showing its resistance to shocks and is earning bitcoin its place among other highly trusted assets. For all this and more fascinating insights into a big part of the future, join us on the Rational Reminder today!   Key Points From This Episode: Michael's description of Digital Currency Group. [0:03:28.4] A basic explanation of bitcoin and what defines a digital currency. [0:08:09.2] What will happen when the maximum amount of bitcoin has been mined? [0:11:29.0] Affecting the value of bitcoin through the altering of its decimal places. [0:14:04.2] The usefulness of Grayscale when it is possible to buy bitcoin directly. [0:15:21.4] How bitcoin differs from and improves on gold investments. [0:19:11.7] How digital currency fits in portfolio management and who it really suits. [0:21:30.0] Thinking about the expected returns question in regards to digital currencies. [0:23:30.3] The high amount of institutional investments through Grayscale and deciding on allocation. [0:29:00.5] Bitcoin's response to shocks and its rising reputation as a place of safety. [0:33:36.7] Why Michael is worried by impatience in regards to digital currencies. [0:34:42.5] How bitcoin can impact under-resourced populations through it non-reliance on infrastructure. [0:36:49.3] How Michael defines success for Grayscale and himself moving forward. [0:39:07.0] And much more!
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Jan 23, 2020 • 51min

Sustainable Investing, Retiring on Index Funds, and Fee Location (EP.82)

Welcome to this week’s episode of the Rational Reminder! Today, we get stuck into a commonly asked about investment topic – socially responsible or sustainable investing. The show kicks off with Cameron sharing some fantastic insights he gained from a book he recently finished, The Undoing Project. We then delve into the CalPERS story that was in the spotlight at the end of 2019. After that, we move the planning portion of our show, where we tackle the topic of sustainable investing. Many prominent Canadian pension funds have said that sustainability will be a core part of their investing going forward. We explore why sustainable investing has to mean lower returns, how this kind of investing effects social change, and what the amount you need to give up to feel good about your investments is. We also look at the subjectivity of ESG ratings and how this relates to your values. Ultimately, sustainable investing is about balancing the continuum of views and values, how closely they can be matched, and how you can do that in a diversified way. The sustainable label may not meet your expectations of sustainability which is why finding the balance can prove to be challenging. We round off the show by sharing our thoughts on how to restructure your portfolio when it comes time to live off of it. You don’t want to miss out on this interesting show, so tune in today!   Key Points From This Episode: A book Cameron recently finished and how he applies these lessons to his work. [0:01:08.0] More about the CalPERS story that broke in December 2019. [0:05:50.0] Insights into active managers and actively managed funds. [0:07:40.0] Vanguard is the first asset manager to surpass the six trillion-dollar mark and other stats. [0:10:30.0] Portfolio topic: The growth of socially responsible investing in North America. [0:12:10.0] The main considerations to account for when looking at socially responsible investing. [0:14:09.0] Two main sustainable investing strategies: negative screening and ESG integration. [0:15:01.0] The relationship between ESG and expected returns when controlling for common risk factors. [0:17:13.0] The importance of ESG risk factor – where does the negative premium come from? [0:19:45.0] Differences between exclusion and investor tastes and their influence on expected returns. [0:21:40.0] Why the dispersion of preferences in the ESG industry is so important. [0:25:14.0] Does sustainable investing lead to positive social returns? [0:27:05.0] Two ways the lack of diversification of ESG investing hurts investors. [0:30:25.0] Understanding the trade-off between values: do all companies use the same ESG filters? [0:31:42.0] The two major problems of not having consistent ESG rating metrics. [0:33:54.0] Two things to consider when the time comes to live off of your portfolio. [0:36:47.0] Deciding how to change your asset allocation and figuring your safe spending rate. [0:39:05.0] Why selling shares rather than receiving dividends does not make you worse off. [0:42:23.0] Final thoughts on spending income and dividends. [0:45:06.0] ‘Bad advice of the week’. [0:46:03.0]
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Jan 16, 2020 • 37min

Death and Marriage: The Legal Side of Financial Planning (in Ontario) with Kim Melanson (EP.81)

On today's show, we are joined by Kim Melanson who is a local lawyer in Ottawa. The bulk of the conversation is spent on the particulars of drafting a will and the considerations that have to go into this process. Kim also reminds just how important it is to have an up to date will, something many of us have heard but many of us do not act on! She talks about good times to update your documents and the ins and outs of naming guardians and executors before discussing inheritances, donations, and probate. We then turn to a few different types of wills, namely mutual will, mirror wills, and dual wills. Kim weighs in on the topic of 'will kits' and services that make the writing of a will appear a little easier. We also talk about some common errors that are made in the realm of estate planning before turning our attention to family law. Kim answers our questions common-law relationships, domestic contracts, divisions of assets and more, so for all of this from a true expert on Ontario legal matters, be sure to listen in with us today on the Rational Reminder Podcast!   Key Points From This Episode: An important legal disclaimer about today's show. [0:02:21.9] What happens if you die in Ontario without a will? [0:03:13.6] Reasons that every adult needs to have a will. [0:05:34.7] How often to update a will throughout the course a lifetime. [0:07:32.7] Best practices for the naming guardians and executors. [0:08:34.6] Kim's recommendations for allocation of inheritances, donations, and probate. [0:14:14.4] Understanding dual wills, how they work and when they make sense. [0:19:14.3] Considering the use of 'will kits' and where these services might fall short. [0:21:39.6] Mutual and mirror wills; managing and policing of these documents. [0:23:19.1] Common and important errors made in estate planning. [0:25:19.4] The definition of a common-law relationship in Ontario. [0:26:50.6] Approaching the conversation and weighing the utility of domestic contracts. [0:30:48.6] The Family Law Act ruling on the division of assets; exclusions and subtractions. [0:34:54.4] Kim's own definition of success and her hopes for a positive impact. [0:36:36.2]
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Jan 9, 2020 • 59min

A Planning Checklist, Portfolio Concentration, and Leverage (EP.80)

For our very first episode of 2020, we kick things off with some quick updates before sharing Cameron’s ten best financial planning strategies for the new year. After laying out some statistics about the great asset class returns that 2019 saw, we get into the wonderful listener questions we have been receiving over the break. Our first topic is about buying versus leasing cars, and Ben shares his thoughts on some of the reasons he recently converted to leasing. Our second question is about using credit to invest in a TFSA and acts as a great segue into our main topic for today’s show: implementing leverage in an investment portfolio. We discover some fascinating outputs given by a Monte Carlo simulation that compares the reliability of expected returns between diversified and concentrated investment portfolios. Surprisingly, the concentrated portfolio, while unpredictable, actually produces higher returns, even in its worst iterations. We start to think of concentrated portfolios as just another form of leveraging after comparing IUSV to VLUE ETFs, and then move on to the idea of time diversification as it relates to implementing leveraging in Lifecycle investing. As always, we end off with our bad advice of the week, with the 60/40 stocks and bonds model taking centre stage, so hop on and join us for the ride!   Key Points From This Episode: Different corporate cultures and the value of instilling one in your workplace. [0:05:55.0] A top ten list of strategies for financial planning in 2020. [0:08:48.0] Asset class returns from 2019 which were very high across the board. [0:15:34.0] Market unpredictability and why to buy a second-hand car but lease a new one. [0:19:18.0] When to use your unsecured line of credit to invest in a tax-free savings account. [0:22:49.0] Three things that structure a belief: values, biases, and models. [0:24:51.0] Ben’s model and expected returns of diversified vs concentrated portfolios. [0:27:49.0] When concentrated portfolios work well: if high performing stocks are chosen. [0:34:01.0] Ways to achieve higher factor exposure with IUSV vs VLUE ETFs. [0:35:47.0] How unexplained portions of returns are the costs of leveraging via concentration. [0:40:40.0] Why investing using leverage creates ‘time diversification’ and higher yields. [0:42:47.0] Ways for young people to leverage their savings: concentration, derivatives, etc. [0:42:47.0] Time decay on leveraged ETFs and other reasons for leveraging not being a joke. [0:50:52.0] Why ditching a 60/40 portfolio denies market efficiency by increasing risk. [0:55:36.0] And much more!
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Jan 2, 2020 • 52min

Financial Theory in Practice: Gaining Insight from Models with Marlena Lee (EP.79)

Today on the show we welcome the Head of Investment Solutions at Dimensional Fund Advisors, Marlena Lee. Marlena has a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago where she served as the TA to Eugene F. Fama. She has been at Dimensional for 11 years where a big part of her role is communicating what their research team is doing for the advisors and clients who are using their products. In this fascinating episode, we discuss and define models, factors, and the importance of understanding the risks involved with any investment decision. We talk about the many different reasons why stocks have different returns, and what the research says about underperformance and our expectation of positive premiums. Marlena has some interesting perspectives on whether risk or behavior drives higher returns, and shares some of her biggest lessons gained from working with Eugene Fama, and Dimensional Fund Advisors. Key Points from This Episode: The uses and limitations of models when making investment decisions. [0:02:30.0] Understanding the concept of ‘factors’ and why the word is evolving. [0:04:35.0] Why Dimensional doesn’t combine Price-to-Book with price sales and cashflows. [0:13:10.0] Marlena’s thoughts on whether risk or behavior drives higher returns. [0:15:15.0] The theoretical rationale for why we expect the value premium to be positive. [0:21:00.0] The role of company size in identifying differences in expected returns. [0:25:10.0] The split between dividend income and capital gains: What is the trade-off? [0:27:40.0] How to choose which Factor Model to use for your investing decisions. [0:31:15.0] The good arguments for owning bonds in your portfolio as a young investor. [0:35:00.0] Risk factors and equities when it comes to fixed-income and bonds versus stocks. [0:38:00.0] Questions investors should be asking about fees, risk, and portfolio worth. [0:41:48.0] Evidence that investors can use Yield Curve Inversions to time the market. [0:43:33.0] Marlena shares her most fascinating research topics and economic debates. [0:43:33.0] Marlena shares her biggest lessons gained from working with Eugene Fama. [0:48:13.0]
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Dec 26, 2019 • 56min

2019 Retrospective: A Review and Discussion of the Year's Guest Episodes (EP.78)

As we see 2019 out and enter a new decade, we thought it only fitting to do a round-up of some of our shows this year. While we had 26 guests throughout the year, we chose 14 that best captured the sensible investing and education-focused spirit of our show. Some of the guests we have included on this special episode include Rob Carrick, from The Global Mail and leading authority on Canadian personal finance, Alexandra McQueen, a teacher at York University, who offers an explanation on the difference between financial economics and financial planning and Jonathan Clements, who explains why the hardest part of investing is keeping it simple. We also share clips about nipping overconfidence in the bud with Daniel Crosby and the next grand challenge of investing with Dave Nadig. This is just a snapshot of some of the incredibly generous people who have joined us this year. We hope that this show has contributed in some way to educating and helping investors make informed decisions and we are excited for what’s on the horizon. Happy New Year from all of us here at The Rational Reminder! Key Points From This Episode: Rob Carrick’s insights into whether Canadians have a good relationship with money. [0:04:02.0] Moira Somers’ tips on lifestyle changes to decrease financial stress. [0:07:51.3] Why ‘debunking the nonsense’ of financial advice is so important to Barry Ritholz. [0:10:23.0] The difference between financial economics and financial planning. [0:13:10.0] Discover the importance of having a clear belief system when it comes to investing. [0:16:51.0] Criteria other than performance to use to choose a quant fund according to Wes Gray. [0:19:47.0] Why the most difficult part of investing is trusting in simplicity. [0:23:14.0] Learn what has surprised David Butler the most about working with academics. [0:28:56.0] Ben explaining discount rates and factors to his mom. [0:31:58.0] All factors will underperform at some stage so embracing volatility is key. [0:40:14.0] What Jill Schlesinger has found the most common investment blind spots to be. [0:42:54.0] A look at what adverse selection means and how it applies to DIY investors. [0:44:40.0] Find out why Daniel Crosby calls overconfidence the ‘granddaddy’ of investment biases.[0:46:17.0] Even though investing is ‘solved,’ that does not mean people are good investors. [0:44:40.0]

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