
How To Succeed In Product Management | Jeffrey Shulman, Red Russak & Soumeya Benghanem
Learn from some of the best product managers in the world through conversations hosted by The Product Management Center at the University of Washington. In each episode, Jeff Shulman, Red Russak, and Soumeya Benghanem dive into the tools, frameworks, and thought processes that will help drive success in product management.
Latest episodes

Jul 28, 2021 • 1h 2min
10: How Different is a FinTech Product from Other Industries?
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Herman Man (BlueVine) and Ambika Sharma (US Bank) to discuss how uniquely different financial services is from other products yet they share the same goal and that is to understand the what and why of a customer and then building a roadmap around that.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:24 As a FinTech product manager, how do you relate to other industries?
04:22 The nuance that comes with financial services
07:56 FinTech is a huge opportunity where you find something that works for the audience
09:55 FinTech and healthcare industries are parallel in a way that there should be trust, stable, and reliable
12:58 Start with understanding what it is that you can’t do
15:25 Influence without authority, prioritizing which experiments
19:42 Grit and intuition creates a good product manager
21:39 Figuring out whether or not the idea sticks
24:24 What is product innovation in the FinTech space?
28:16 The biggest issues with invoice factoring
29:39 Keeping an eye on the changing landscapes and finding opportunities to leverage
33:00 The impact of retail trading on different product areas
34:57 Business competition possibly affecting a PMs roadmap
38:12 Customers understand their problems but can’t express how to solve it
41:48 Coming up with the right solution is going to require intuition
45:23 Monthly cadence makes a formal process go smoother
48:35 Partnering closely with internal partners
50:26 Being a PM in FinTech making a financial difference to people's lives
52:25 There is no general rule that is always true
54:00 Always understand the what and the why of a customer
56:40 The success factors are always passion and curiosity

Jul 21, 2021 • 58min
9: Thinking Through Assumptions and Managing the Risks
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Dontae Delgado (Compass) and Siddhartha Rabindran (Microsoft) to discuss managing assumptions and start ranking them from the top most important to the least important, and build a framework around it to help develop the product. Assumptions, when correctly utilized and tested in the right environment exponentially helps product leaders find success.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:42 The importance of managing assumptions and risk management
03:46 It’s easy to become comfortable with the flows of the product
05:11 Clarity plays an important role in managing assumptions
08:44 The different classifications of assumptions
10:45 Approach is the most important part of addressing assumptions
13:55 Assumption prompts to make assumptions explicit
15:52 The build versus buy evaluation
19:53 After generating assumptions, start ranking them
23:36 Critical path is about the solution and the framing
24:25 Proper documentation is key to effective communication
27:17 Situations that could happen when assumptions aren’t made
29:45 Reference books and resources for assumption management
37:04 How do you go about validating assumptions?
40:31 The product team considers four important things: product, market, channels, and business model
43:42 Producer and consumer framework in critical in managing expectations
47:31 Building a culture of domain empathy
50:28 Assumptions are an integral part of everything we do
54:13 Assumptions are linchpin to product success
55:29 Some assumptions, when utilized correctly or incorrectly, either hurt or help the products

Jul 14, 2021 • 1h 3min
8: Understanding the Product Development Life Cycle
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Kavita Kamani (Microsoft) and Howard Ro (Tesla) to discuss the life cycle of product development, where to focus your attention to in whichever product development phase, identifying what should be considered valuable and what’s not, and tackling product management while maintaining a work-life balance.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
02:27 The importance of the product development life cycle
06:29 Two points of view on the general concept of a product life cycle
09:09 Five D’s of a product life cycle
15:25 Asking a lot of questions help determine exactly where to focus on
17:57 Getting a clear idea if a problem is worth solving
19:47 Initial ideation and operating without boundaries
21:14 When there is tension and no easy answer
27:12 Different organizations have different structures and different expectations
31:11 Within the applications, what is truly valuable and what is not?
34:22 Focus on what's the core problem and what you're going after
39:26 Ensure that everybody is aligned to the common goals
43:16 Find a balance between the user outcome and stakeholder outcome
48:51 Bringing focus back to what you need to do
51:05 Work-life balance: assess or associate your happiness with impact
58:52 If you want to succeed as a PM, own the job
01:00:04 Don’t try to be everything for everyone

Jul 7, 2021 • 1h 15min
7: Build Your Product Management Career Around Empathy
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Kevin Shah (T-Mobile) and Lisa Huang-North (Microsoft) to discuss why product managers need empathy when communicating with customers and while building their career, as well as finding the balance between being empathetic and product success.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
03:53 Empathy also matters in how you manage your career
07:36 Do you understand where you are in your personal journey?
10:13 We suffer from survivor bias
13:33 The lack of empathy to certain stakeholders or groups can show up in the execution
16:12 Don’t focus on the persona and characteristics, focus on the needs and problems
22:15 Data communication depends on the channels already established
24:48 What’s important to users vs what’s important to the company
27:16 Try to understand where the misalignment is happening
28:06 Come back to the pain points you’re trying to address
31:03 Feeling empowered and having an authentic PM mindset
34:10 An executive does not understand the customers as well as the PMs do
38:53 Myth: “I’m not a great sales person and that’s why I think I’ll be a great PM.”
43:02 Best relationship between sales and products are centered around culture
44:56 Product managers are artists and creators
49:19 Logically group your community and dedicate different efforts on each segment
56:17 Empathy is your superpower
57:49 Recommended resources for PMs to get better at being empathetic
01:01:16 Drawing a balance between empathy and profitability
01:04:23 Product management is a contact sport and also a team sport
01:09:45 Own the job and be resolute with your standards
01:11:34 You don’t have to love something, but you have to be really curious about it

Jun 30, 2021 • 58min
6: Finding Clarity and Creating Alignment
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Josh Haftel (Adobe) and Ben Waddle (Expedia) to talk about creating a product out of an idea by breaking it down into smaller, more manageable ones for a faster turn around and quickly get customer feedback, and how product managers need to work with their team instead of managing it.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:10 A PMs job is finding clarity and then creating alignment
06:35 The Discovery and Framing framework
09:58 Always start at the fundamentals
15:01 Take the big things down and break them down
17:47 Fail quickly then go into future iterations
19:53 What kind of experimentation should you be doing?
25:31 Pick a problem that you might have some passion for
28:12 Come up with hypotheses about why something's going to work versus why it's not going to work
30:39 Look for skills that your team currently don’t have
33:34 Understand who you need to influence and tailor your work products accordingly
38:38 Start with what outcomes matter to the audience you’re speaking to
42:52 The fastest way to get something into the hands of the customers
45:30 Break down big assumptions into smaller ones
50:23 Partner with your team to arrive at the best solution
52:55 As a product manager, you don’t manage anybody

Jun 23, 2021 • 55min
5: Product Improvement through Experimentation
Today, in the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, Jeff and Red welcome our panel of experts on product management to talk about experimentation and how to test ideas before and after launch. They discuss how talking to the customers is a form of experimentation, the statistical significance of what the customers are telling you and how it reflects the different milestones and development of the product.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:10 This week’s topic: Experimentation
06:00 Why is experimentation an important process for PMs?
08:50 Talking to customers is another form of experimentation
13:00 Statistical significance is a big challenge for B2B product managers
16:50 Understand the audience and segment the data finely
19:42 Some customers do not understand the product and product offers
22:07 Learn from the outcomes when the product is launched
24:40 Every decision is different from the previous depending on the options available
29:23 How to go about web product management with less manpower and resources?
31:34 Product market fit is where most startups struggle with
35:28 PMs must have a vision and a really good understanding of where you’re going
36:49 Balance between understanding your customers and manage your stakeholders
40:04 Ask customers: now how they found you, what they like you and what they don’t like about you
43:46 PMs must know how things work but allow specialist to patch in their piece
45:36 Awareness who you’re talking to and what they need to know to be successful
49:00 Choose causation over correlation
50:21 You need both quantitative and qualitative data

Jun 16, 2021 • 54min
4: Getting Into Product Management From A Non-Traditional Background
Today, in the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, Jeff and Red welcome our panel of experts on product management to talk about becoming a product manager coming from a different background. The shift in interest from your educational background or career to becoming a customer-oriented problem solver opens a path to become a great PM. Listen in and join them as they share their minds, experiences, and expertise on what helps aspiring PMs to successfully join this competitive ecosystem.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:20 PMs from non-traditional background bring in new thinking and perspectives
06:15 Learning product management from best practices from a global perspective
10:47 True or false: “If you don’t know how to code you can’t be a good PM.”
12:55 Coding may not matter in most environments, it could in smaller startups
16:03 Is being a scrum master a traditional path to becoming a PM?
18:35 Scrum masters tend to work inside of development chops
21:56 UX designers should have an artistic expertise
23:50 Try low resolution experimentation, don’t be afraid to try something that looks horrible
26:00 An example of low-res that works
31:26 The Product Management Life Cycle model
33:20 Educate yourself if you want to break into product management
34:37 Understand what’s required for the job and what do you have in terms of skills
36:54 The language we use differs in different ecosystems
39:19 Find out how does a product life cycle work
40:09 To connect with companies and industries, tap on the networking side
44:10 Managing physical, digital, and software products
47:16 Customer care and problem solving opens a path to product management
48:43 Stay curious and always ask questions
50:11 The person who understand the customers the most matters
51:16 Build site projects, invest in networking, and volunteering opportunities

Jun 9, 2021 • 57min
3: Mentoring New Product Managers Through Empathy and Understanding
Today, in the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, Jeff and Red welcome our panel of experts on product management to talk about mentoring new product managers. They discuss how domain expertise can help new PMs grow in the field, the qualities one must have to understand and build relationships with customers, improving problem solving skills and building frameworks to tackle problems, and the roles senior PMs play in honing younger leaders.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
00:43 Building empathy and understanding for new Product Managers
02:31 Taking ownership and being proactive early on
04:06 Understand your customers and build relationships
06:52 PM’s must be curious and empathetic
08:40 Spend time to learn your product domain
13:39 Multiple variables affect what you end up focusing on as a PM
16:26 PMs often focus on the solution but don’t spend much time understanding the problem
19:01 The most important skill for new PM’s: actively ask questions
23:00 Promising books new PMs should read
26:40 Tools to help communicate with customers and conduct market research
31:27 How do you make problems and their solutions meaningful to the market?
35:40 Find a good mentor to guide you along the way
36:28 Difference between a mentor and a sponsor
38:14 Help coming from a senior product leader
42:42 Creating a psychologically safe space for new PMs
46:54 Challenges transitioning from B2B to B2C role
50:37 Observe patterns and build frameworks to tackle problems
51:35 Be that go-to person for the team
54:18 Are you spending time listening to your customers?

Jun 2, 2021 • 56min
2: Why Accessibility is Crucial in Product Management
Today, in the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, Jeff welcomes a panel of experts on Product Management to discuss enabling accessibility features across all platforms. Together with Keela Robison, Ambika Sharma, Sumantro Das, Dr. Hoby Wedler, and Soumeya Benghanem, the panel unpack the different challenges that product managers have to deal with when building accessibility features, and in making websites and products more accessible to all customers of different backgrounds.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:47 Join the Product Management Center Slack channel with Sarah Gallo
03:16 Soumeya talks about the need for accessibility
05:10 “We make sure that our product and service is working well for everyone.” Keela Robison, VP, Product Innovation at Netflix
08:07 Ambika Sharma on managing accessibility by tracking bugs and accessibility codes
09:51 “Support our shoppers in all backgrounds and implement inclusive design.” - Sumantro Das
12:09 “Accessibility is making life more enjoyable for all of us.” Dr. Hoby Wedler
17:56 Challenges for Product Managers as they try to get more accessible
21:09 Concerns related to accessibility features not included in websites
24:49 How does accessibility go into the overall product roadmap?
30:42 The different types of accessibility to consider when building features
37:46 Common challenges faced when building accessible product and how to overcome these challenges
45:12 How can Customer Success and Support Teams help and support Products Team and Product Managers in driving accessibility features

May 28, 2021 • 50min
1: The Different Styles of Decision-Making
Today, in the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast; Jeff, Red, and Soumeya welcome a panel of experts on Product Management to discuss the importance of decision-making in the success of any product. The panel of experts, known and respected in their respective expertise, share valuable tips and insights on what it takes to come up with the right decision.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:03 Soumeya Benghanem on the different styles of decision-making
03:44 “Understand the right process and structure to use to frame up decisions.” - Adam Grupp
05:37 “The expensive and scary are the ones where it's a long-term commitment you can’t change so easily.” - Greg Young
08:05 Sumathi Kadambi on the cost of failing to make a decision and the fear of decision-making.
12:17 “Create your own metrics for your own product.” Marily Nika
14:57 What’s your bold thought on decision-making?
16:37 Is data just confirming what you already know or do you have some wild changes based off of it?
20:02 Half of PM decisions are decisions they’re not even conscious of
21:26 Build an ecosystem of experts within the company to help make decisions
24:24 Favorite decision-making matrix regularly used
27:01 Go-to method for sourcing new ideas or iterating mature and new products
32:14 Hiring board at Mattress Firm, connect with Sumantro Das
34:23 Oftentimes, the best ideas come from unexpected places
37:15 Take what makes you successful but apply it in new places that can help make big changes
39:05 Be very clear on how everyone makes decisions
43:09 Decision-making takes time to build confidence on and to build the tool set
44:27 Some things are hard to let go but maybe they're not where our future is
46:24 Build a learning organization by understanding how decisions are made and documenting them