
How To Succeed In Product Management | Jeffrey Shulman, Red Russak & Soumeya Benghanem
Learn from some of the best product managers in the world through conversations hosted by The Product Management Center at the University of Washington. In each episode, Jeff Shulman, Red Russak, and Soumeya Benghanem dive into the tools, frameworks, and thought processes that will help drive success in product management.
Latest episodes

Oct 6, 2021 • 58min
20: Women in Product On Collaboration Across Disciplines
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Soumeya Benghanem welcome Geetika Kapoor (Microsoft), Kavita Kamani (Microsoft), and Angela Argentati (Zillow) to talk about collaboration across disciplines. The discussion revolves around accountability in making decisions, the best frameworks suitable for Product Managers collaborating in different disciplines, and staying curious about the people you work with and the issues you’re trying to address for your customers.
This episode is in collaboration with the Women in Product Women in Product’s Seattle Chapter. Women in Product is a welcoming community where women in products are inspired, connected, and celebrated.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
02:06 Why is collaborating with other disciplines an important topic
08:05 PMs are coordinators that run the entire project
10:46 Who makes the final decision on a product?
15:00 Accountability from every member of the team
18:39 The RACI model and driving clarity
22:08 RACI matrix may not work for all product teams
23:33 Working backwards document is the best tool for collaboration
32:52 Get a clarity on what your customers really need
37:20 Reach out to your network to fill in critical roles
43:13 Agile approach with a working backwards document
47:41 Develop curiosity about the other person you’re collaborating with
49:31 Make people aware of their blind spot to help solve conflicts
52:17 The biases of any single discipline you’re working with

Sep 29, 2021 • 1h 2min
19: Time Management: How to Break Down Your Work Hours
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Soumeya Benghanem welcome Alex Selby (Amazon) and Swati Goel (Facebook) to talk about time management. Today’s focus is on how much time PMs need to allocate for structured and creative meetings, checking with customers to gather data on existing products, and breaking down your day strategically so you’ll have time to refresh your thoughts and replenish your creativity.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
02:17 Why is time management and productivity important?
07:02 Breaking down your day with time bucketing
09:45 For PMs, unstructured, unfocused time is critical
11:47 Block out an hour for yourself everyday
14:29 Deciding how much time to put into strategy versus execution
18:45 Business priorities and where you’re product is at
20:41 From 90/10 to 60/40 time allocation with customers
28:33 Look for product adjacent roles or tasks that you can take on
33:20 Pick up patterns from the first customers and bring back to the team for planning
36:03 Learn more about the Inclusive Product Management Accelerator program
38:01 The writing culture in meetings is an artifact while building a product
42:07 Balance between outcome driven structured meetings and allowing creativity
44:23 Allow for creative sessions but facilitation is still needed
48:25 Start conversations with a wide approach first
49:20 Choose which meetings are mandatory for you
51:31 Time management takes a little bit of practice
53:02 How often should PMs check on customers
56:55 “Be specific and strategy in spending your time.” - Alex Selby
57:51 Listen to How to Be More Productive (Ep. 243)

Sep 22, 2021 • 1h 6min
18: Transferrable Skills and Mastering Product Execution
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Diego Granados (Microsoft), Welly Lee (Microsoft), and Shyvee Shi (LinkedIn) to talk about the value of transferable skills and experiences. It’s never about building from scratch, it’s all about the journey that helps build your skills as a PM and the experiences you can bring with you wherever you go and whenever you work on a new product.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:35 Some PMs aren’t aware of the multitude of experiences and skills necessary in other roles
13:15 The most valuable transferable experiences or job roles
19:27 Create a compelling argument why an undervalued area can work
23:52 What aspiring PMs should have: transferable skills & complete understanding of product management
27:21 Product management is about managing risks
32:41 The PM role is a practice of balancing tension
35:16 You cannot be a good product manager if you don't like people
44:51 Resources to look into to learn product management
48:49 Start by doing the baseline, understand the gaps, then create a plan
52:49 At the beginning, you have to be good at execution
57:51 PMs a lot of time wear multiple hats
58:47 Important career pivoters
01:00:34 No single recipe is going to work for everyone
01:02:49 It’s the journey to learn new things

Sep 15, 2021 • 59min
17: Making Inclusive Product Design Real
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Soumeya Benghanem welcome Mandy Bhullar (Lululemon) and Ada Lopez (Lenovo) to talk about bringing an inclusive lens on product design. When designing a product, inclusivity should be taken into consideration at the very beginning - when looking at data and conducting research, when planning and structuring, and when finding a diverse team to work on the product.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:41 Diversifying inclusive product design
11:02 What inclusive product design?
16:09 The curiosity and investigating the ways in which diverse users might experience technologies differently
18:43 Inclusive thinking is everyone’s responsibility
19:51 There’s always opportunities to add inclusion
21:21 A lot of the technological advances were designed with inclusion
22:41 Think who is not benefiting from a product and build for them
28:00 Data research tools: survey, screener, and asking the right questions
31:21 Having a diverse team helps in designing inclusively
35:10 Adaptive gaming controllers are fun inclusive designs
39:20 Build awareness around who to include or exclude
45:18 Collect different inclusive information in repository for future reference
47:35 Constantly search within the context of your product
50:35 “Develop products with inclusive design and accessibility from the beginning.” - Ada Lopez
51:07 “Be intentional about making inclusive decisions.” - Mandy Bhullar
54:07 “Inclusion is a different way of going about product design.” - Soumeya Benghanem

Sep 8, 2021 • 58min
16: Developing a Culture While Scaling Product Organizations
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Vishal Ghotge (Remitly) and Tatyana Mamut (Pendo.io) to talk about shaping a culture as the organization starts scaling. There are many risks associated with scaling up, but the right set of rules, tools, and norms help formulate a culture that can direct individual performance and drive future business success.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
06:50 When scaling, what works in one place might not work in another
08:26 The challenges that come with scaling a product organization
14:03 Always orient toward the holistic customer experience
16:06 Look at the mechanisms set around the organization
19:21 Best practices to help in scaling
25:09 Culture is the set of rules, tools, and norms that organize and structure how people work
29:37 Center decisions and conversations around the company mission and values
31:59 Change can be hard for a lot of people
35:55 It’s important to understand what the appetite for risk is from the top
41:24 Shaping an organization where it's okay to talk about things
44:35 Take more risks while meeting all needs that your leadership might have of you
49:48 Emotional intelligence plays a big role through scaling pains
52:49 Focus on getting the right people and build trust with them
56:10 Friction creates a lot of innovation

Sep 1, 2021 • 53min
15: Communities Build Valuable Product Assets and Create Support for PMs
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Mark Tan (Wyze) to talk about growing a community. It takes great leadership to grow a community but it would require creating a safe space for the members to continuously participate and engage in these communities. And people supporting each other in any way is the breeding ground for valuable product assets.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
04:39 Creating a community for Product Managers and growing its members
09:55 Pm needs to be clear on the the value proposition that the product offers
12:33 Online communities require extra step make sure people pay attention
14:13 The leaders and feeders in all communities
16:02 Exploitation of the community and taking away the cycle you’re trying to create
18:59 Let the community members interact and have a conversation
22:26 Allow the customers to participate in the ideation process
28:10 Strategic ways to grow a community from zero to a hundred
33:27 The ethical issues of creator compensation
36:18 Creating a safe space for people who can participate in the community
40:55 Soumeya’d book recommendations for founders to learn product mindset
47:45 Remove biases when you’re running communities
49:43 Give more than you take and then community will take care of itself

Aug 25, 2021 • 1h 1min
14: The Unpredictability of Managing Product Managers
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Soumeya Benghanem welcome Aaron Bowen (Qualtrics) and Jake Wallack (Axon) to talk about managing product managers in an organization. The most effective way to do this is to trust your team, allow them to solve problems and make decisions as you guide them through structures that give them the opportunity to perform and deliver.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:41 Managing product managers
11:49 Be able to leave an organization and the decision-making quality should still be there
13:36 Start with the customer, learn from them, and use the information to make a decision
14:53 Your process and approach should be distilled down to the essence but not overly restrictive
19:48 Managers of PMs function as general managers
21:40 Be a ruthless prioritizer for your product and customer
25:13 The emotional - intelligence framework
29:15 What’s going to help a person grow as a PM?
33:45 Help shape the person to continue to deliver then hire and develop the right people
35:35 Organizational design is about everyone working together
37:46 Leaders should never tell high qualified members exactly what to do
39:40 It should be based on trust and your people making the decisions
41:52 PM skill: effective communication
42:25 PM skill: culture
43:32 PM skill: be able to take feedback
44:44 PM skill: navigate organizational politics
46:07 PM skill: vision
47:55 Habits of highly effective product managers
52:48 Make sure that everyone in your team are successful in what they’re doing
56:24 Motivate with accountability, get out of the way, and trust your PMs
57:26 Great PMs create structure for other people to operate off of

Aug 18, 2021 • 1h 8min
13: Product Managers Digging Deep Into Pricing Strategies
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Divya Sreekumar (Amazon Web Services) and Harish Komaragiri (Facebook) to talk about product pricing strategies. A lot goes into determining the price of a product which includes the needs of the customer, product value, and willingness to pay of the target audience. The panel also tackles the different spectrum of responsibilities a PM has and how it can affect the overall business model.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:48 Why PMs need to learn product pricing
04:12 Product pricing strategies and modifying existing pricing
07:03 Strategizing around pricing is both exciting and delicate
10:20 PMs define customer value, corporate defines product value
11:43 The effort put into developing the product should reflect in its pricing
14:36 Getting a hold of the product value and where you’re going as a business
17:01 Figure out the problem being solved and who is it for
19:31 The product is marketed as a revenue enabler
27:11 Pitfalls for new PMs is an overly narrow perspective of growing a product
31:15 Spectrum of responsibilities a PM has
33:32 3 things that affect pricing: needs of customer, value, and willingness to pay
39:14 Advantages of using a cloud versus maintaining a hardware
42:13 Sustainable business follow a cost-based model
45:54 Business model is a bigger concept than just pricing
46:50 Pricing a new product for enterprise customers
50:58 Economic value estimation - what are the customers cost and value drivers
52:11 Use real customers to product test
53:00 Customers are willing to pay for the most painful problem
58:29 Book recommendation from Soumeya
59:50 Train your brain to understand how the market works
01:02:11 Applying game theory in pricing
01:05:09 Think about the economics you’re driving with your product decisions

Aug 11, 2021 • 59min
12: Adapting to Changes as a PM
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem collaborates with Women in Product members Parul Shorey (Compass) and Rekha Raghu (Smartsheet) to talk about adapting to changes, dealing with changes in processes, management, or system, managing teams throughout the new structure, and just use change as an opportunity to continuously learn.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
02:03 In collaboration with Women in Product, let’s talk about why adapting to change as PM is important
06:27 For PMs to survive and for the company to flourish, you need to learn to adapt to change
11:41 Changes can be internal, customer, market, and product
12:39 What to do when upper management wants to change strategy or direction
18:08 Tips for PMs on adapting to changes
23:52 Identify the product’s mission and goals when dealing with changes
28:08 When is it time to change the north star?
30:10 Your metrics are going to tell if you’re progressing in the way you want to
35:26 Coaching teams to navigate through changes
37:58 Managing teams is not a scale game
41:16 Take a break to think about the situation before acting on the change
44:07 PMs on evolving best practices and management terminologies
47:32 If there is change fatigue, there is something wrong with the process
49:25 Look at change as an opportunity
51:06 Pms shouldn’t overuse the sense of urgency
52:57 Change is what you really want other people to achieve

Aug 4, 2021 • 57min
11: The OKR Approach: Defining Objectives and Key Results
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Murtaza Chowdhury (Amazon Web Services) to discuss Objectives and Key Results (OKRs) - a goal-setting framework for outlining and planning product objectives up to the targeted results. OKR helps product managers plan and create frameworks which are shared within the team to set clear goals to align all efforts.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
00:42 Objective and Key Results (OKRs) and the need for alignment for outcomes and defining them
05:24 The benefits of the OKR approach
08:32 Have an objective that speaks for the company vision
11:53 Set a vision but don’t be too tactical in your approach
15:25 A sense of priority among the OKRs
19:22 Setting the objectives and key results
24:56 Everyone in the team is involved in the product team
26:44 OKR should be broken down into organizational level, team level, and then micro-teams level
28:34 Everyone working on the team has a say on the product development
31:04 User stories are what ties everything together
35:23 Solving team problems through prioritization and alignment
40:16 Everyone in the team is involved in creating the OKR
44:06 Should PMs stay in the background and let micro-teams solve the problem?
48:45 The 3 elements of an effective OKR
51:08 Set objectives that are futuristic, inspirational, and highly ambitious
52:47 Use OKRs with purpose