
AI and I
Learn how the smartest people in the world are using AI to think, create, and relate. Each week I interview founders, filmmakers, writers, investors, and others about how they use AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Midjourney in their work and in their lives. We screen-share through their historical chats and then experiment with AI live on the show. Join us to discover how AI is changing how we think about our world—and ourselves.
For more essays, interviews, and experiments at the forefront of AI: https://every.to/chain-of-thought?sort=newest.
Latest episodes

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May 14, 2025 • 1h 7min
The $10B Hedge Fund CEO Who’s Betting Big on AI | Will England, Walleye Capital
Will England, CEO and managing partner of Walleye Capital, a $10B hedge fund, dives deep into integrating AI into finance. He shares his bold move to make AI an essential part of operations, treating it like email. With 75% of his team using ChatGPT daily, he highlights how AI drives decision-making and journaling. Will discusses balancing AI efficiency with human critical thinking in writing, and the innovative 'data lake' concept for smarter organizational decisions, all while emphasizing the responsibility that comes with leveraging AI.

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May 7, 2025 • 54min
Jhana Meditation Silenced Her Mind—And Changed Her View On AI | Nadia Asparouhova, Author and researcher
Join Nadia Asparouhova, a writer and researcher of technology and culture, as she shares her transformative journey through Jhana meditation. She details how this practice allowed her to silence her inner voice, challenging the idea that self-talk defines humanity. Nadia explores the evolving concept of self, informed by cultural changes, and discusses the complex relationship between humans and AI, pondering how we might be more like AI than we think. Her insights delve into emotion regulation, profound joy, and even ‘anti-memes’ shaping societal progress.

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Apr 30, 2025 • 49min
The Next AI Wave Will Be Social, Not Solo | Sarah Tavel, Benchmark and ex-Pinterest
Sarah Tavel, a venture partner at Benchmark and former product manager at Pinterest, discusses the need for a social layer in AI tools like ChatGPT. She believes the next wave of consumer AI will harness social interactions to enhance user experiences. Drawing from her Pinterest experience, she emphasizes that product-driven founders will help bridge this gap. Tavel also shares her insights on identifying passionate founders and the importance of community in building successful AI products.

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Apr 23, 2025 • 54min
How to Predict the Future With Kevin Kelly, WIRED's Cofounder
Kevin Kelly, Senior Maverick at Wired and author of The Inevitable, shares his profound insights on predicting the future shaped by technology. He believes understanding history is crucial for grasping what lies ahead and emphasizes the balance between exploration and storytelling. The conversation dives into creativity fueled by AI, including a fascinating scenario where historical figures collaborate. Kelly also reflects on past misconceptions in tech predictions, revealing the unpredictability of innovations like virtual reality and blockchain.

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Apr 17, 2025 • 1h 23min
This AI Alien Will Bring In $4 Million This Year in Revenue - Ep. 56 with Quinten Farmer and Eliot Peper
Join Quinten Farmer, CEO of Portola and creator of Tolan, an AI alien character on track to generate $4M in revenue this year, and Eliot Peper, the head of story and a best-selling sci-fi author. They dive into the secrets behind building AI personalities that users love, using light-touch personality quizzes to craft relatable companions. The duo discusses treating AI characters as improv actors, highlighting the critical role of 'memory' in creating immersive narratives. With personal anecdotes, they explore how AI storytelling is revolutionizing creative expression.

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Apr 9, 2025 • 1h 3min
An Inside Look at Every’s Design Philosophy - Ep. 55 with Lucas Crespo
Lucas Crespo, the creative lead at Every, shares insights on blending classical aesthetics with modern design. He discusses harnessing AI tools like ChatGPT and Midjourney to craft captivating visuals and enhance user experiences. Lucas emphasizes the importance of art direction in a world of uniformity, advocating for a curated, organic aesthetic that captivates emotions. He also explores the role of AI in transforming design careers and the exciting potential of interactive AI characters in user engagement.

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Apr 3, 2025 • 56min
Being Human in the Age of Intelligent Machines - Ep. 54 with Dr. Alan Lightman
In this engaging talk, Dr. Alan Lightman, a physicist, novelist, and MIT professor, discusses the philosophical intersections of science and spirituality in the age of AI. He frames consciousness as a subjective experience from neural activity, asserting AI lacks true consciousness despite its advanced capabilities. Lightman challenges listeners to redefine what is 'natural' in technology, viewing AI as a product of human evolution. He also delves into how the emotional complexities of love and human experiences remain distinct, even amidst evolving technology.

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Mar 26, 2025 • 1h 3min
He’s Using AI to Optimize His Life - Ep. 53 with Jonny Miller
In this engaging conversation, Jonny Miller, a founder and coach specializing in nervous system mastery, reveals how he’s transformed his life using AI. He designed a personalized framework called Codex Vitae, which allows ChatGPT to provide tailored advice across various aspects of his life. Jonny shares insights on energy management, unconventional pathways to personal fulfillment, and innovative meditation techniques. He also explores the potential of AI in coaching and customer support, emphasizing a future where human intuition and AI collaboration thrive.

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Mar 19, 2025 • 47min
I Interviewed New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy about AI - Ep. 52 with Governor Phil Murphy
Join New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy as he shares his innovative vision for AI in government and economic growth. With a focus on creating an AI hub that bridges academia and industry, he discusses how collaboration can drive progress. Murphy emphasizes the importance of a cohesive national regulatory framework for AI, arguing against a patchwork approach that could hinder innovation. He also highlights the benefits of AI as an empowerment tool for workers, ensuring that technology enhances rather than replaces human potential.

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Mar 12, 2025 • 56min
Prompt Your Way To Personal Growth - Ep. 51 with Steve Schlafman
Steve Schlafman, founder of Downshift and former VC, is on a quest for personal growth through AI. He shares how he uses a $20 ChatGPT subscription for advanced dream analysis, drawing insights akin to a Jungian therapist. Steve also highlights the importance of storytelling in shaping identity and emphasizes embracing emotional and imaginative perspectives. With his ADD background, he discusses the power of voice interfaces for natural thought processing. His innovative approaches challenge traditional views on personal development, making a compelling case for integrating AI into self-discovery.