

Value Hive Podcast
Brandon Beylo
Welcome to The Hive! It's nice in here, isn't it?
The Hive is a collection of investors, entrepreneurs, thinkers and individuals dedicated to getting a little smarter each day.
If you're a fan of value investing, business models, eclectic success and failure stories -- this is your podcast.
Our goal is to provide you the highest quality interviews with new twists on old topics. Fresh perspectives on antiquated ideas. Passionate discourse on all things investing.
Join us as we strive to improve a little bit each day: https://macro-ops.com/
The Hive is a collection of investors, entrepreneurs, thinkers and individuals dedicated to getting a little smarter each day.
If you're a fan of value investing, business models, eclectic success and failure stories -- this is your podcast.
Our goal is to provide you the highest quality interviews with new twists on old topics. Fresh perspectives on antiquated ideas. Passionate discourse on all things investing.
Join us as we strive to improve a little bit each day: https://macro-ops.com/
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Mar 24, 2023 • 1h 12min
Harris Kupperman: Journey Energy $JOY, Patience, and Inflection Investing
Hey guys! This week we're excited to have our friend Harris Kupperman (aka Kuppy) back on the podcast. Kuppy is a dear friend and one hell of an investor.
We spend the podcast discussing the idea of patience and boredom as keys to successful investing. We also touch on Kuppy's Inflection Investing framework. Finally, we dive deep into one of Kuppy's newest equity positions: Journey Energy (JOY). Full disclosure, Kuppy owns ~2% of the company and I own shares in my retirement account. Please do your own work. None of this is investment advice.
If you like what you hear, please follow Kuppy on Twitter @hkuppy. Also, check out his Event-Driven product KEDM.com. Give it a free test drive and see for yourself. You might not want to trade without it.
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality!
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns to support MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers, and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, all from those who know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR daily in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive.

Mar 17, 2023 • 1h 21min
Trader Ferg: Investing in Post-Bankruptcy Energy Plays
Hey guys! This week is all about Post Bankruptcy Investing and we have Ferguson Cullen to show us his investing philosophy. He explained his concept of Subsidized Asymmetry, how he tries to not become an emotional Basket Case, investing in Peabody Energy, what are the red and green flags when you invest in bankruptcy ideas, how to find ideas and how he manages his portfolio, they exits and build a position.
[0:00] Investing Journey
[9:00] Using Social Media to Gauge Sentiment
[15:00] Analyzing a Post Bankruptcy. Subsidized Asymmetry
[23:00] Peabody Energy $BTU
[26:00] Emotional Basket Case
[32:34] Red Flags
[38:00] Green Flags
[41:00] Wrong Data
[46:00] Finding Bankruptcy Ideas
[51:00] Exiting a Position
[56:30] Portfolio Construction: Sizing
[1:05:00] More from Ferguson and Closing Questions
If you enjoyed the podcast, please follow Ferg on Twitter @trader_ferg. Also, check out his Substack here.
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality!
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns to support MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers, and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus actually makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, and all from those that know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR every day in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive.

Mar 10, 2023 • 1h 32min
Christine Guerrero: An Inside Look at Integrated Oil E&Ps
Hey Guys! This week we have Christine Guerrero. She is one of the most unique guests from our Oil & Gas Journey. She has spent actual time working as an Engineer in various Energy Producers. She shares how she got into the industry, why scalability is very important, her favorite stocks ($HES, $APA, $CGXEF & $FECCF), what are good unit economics, and what was like investing in energy companies when oil went negative.
[0:00] Who is Christine Guerrero?
[7:30] Working in Chevron ($CVX)
[13:00] Deepwater Drilling
[16:00] How to Analyze Margins and Scalability
[18:00] Shale Drilling
[24:00] Hess Corporation ($HES)
[30:00] Investing When Oil went Negative: Selling Your House
[39:00] APA Corporation ($APA)
[45:00] Suriname and Guyana
[49:00] Oil Small Cap Investing ($CGXEF & $FECCF)
[1:04:00] Assessing Management
[1:07:00] What are good unit economics?
[1:10:00] How to learn the energy industry?
[1:16:00] Talos Energy ($Talo)
[1:24:00] Different Energy Subsectors
[1:26:00] More from Christine and Closing Questions
Make sure to go follow Christine on Twitter @SheDrills!
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality!
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns to support MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers, and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus actually makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, and all from those that know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR every day in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive.

Mar 3, 2023 • 1h 33min
Josh Young: Energy Value Chain Analysis (Offshore & Onshore)
This week our guest is the number one performing manager from last year the one and only Josh Young, from Bison Interest. During our conversation we talk all things about the Onshore and Offshore Energy Space, the most common mistakes naive investors make, managing an energy portfolio and position sizing, what are Drilled but Uncompleted and what are some of Josh’s favorite books.
[0:00] Introduction and book recommendations.
[8:00] The onshore space
[18:00] How to approach the onshore value chain ($VTLE, $DVN)
[33:00] Common Mistakes naive investors make.
[36:00] Drilled but Uncompleted (DUC) Wells
[44:00] The Offshore Space
[1:02:00] Portfolio Management: Position Sizing
[1:07:00] Hurdle Rates
[1:17:00] A day in the life with Josh Young
[1:21:00] Closing Question and More From Josh Young
If you enjoyed the podcast, please follow Josh on Twitter here. Also check out his new Substack here.
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality!
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns to support MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers, and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus actually makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, and all from those that know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR every day in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive.

Feb 24, 2023 • 1h 58min
Victor Swishchuk: A Beginner's Guide To Analyzing Oil E&Ps
We continue our pilgrimage through the oil and gas space and today we have Victor Swishchuck from Letko Brosseau to help us dive into the upstream section of the Energy Sector. Victor gives us a summary of what it means to really understand the energy sector from zero to one. We go from understanding the different types of crude oil to the different types of Upstream Oil and Gas Businesses, to how to value them and the most common pitfalls every naive investor faces when getting into the industry.
[0:00] Who is Victor Swishchuck?
[5:00] Intuition Guided by Experience
[10:00] Studying Credit and Bonds before Equities
[18:00] Analyzing the Energy Sector: From Zero to One
[30:00] What does it mean for Oil to be Sweet, Sour, light, etc
[42:00] Upstream Oil and Gas Businesses
[1:00:00] Valuation: Implied Oil Price by Reversed NAV.
[1:13:00] Common Pitfalls and Where can you get burned?
[1:30:00] How to learn the industry?
[1:47:00] Closing Questions and more from Victor Swishchuck
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality!
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns to support MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers, and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus actually makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, and all from those that know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR every day in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive.

Feb 17, 2023 • 57min
Brian Gitt: Busting The Myths of ESG & "Green" Energy
Hey Guys! This week is another episode on our 3 Month Journey through every corner of the energy space. Our guest today is Brian Gritt and he is kind enough to help us understand some of the myths surrounding the energy industry. We learn about his background, how he changed his mind from only solar energy to a more diverse portfolio of energy sources, why we should’t demonize fossil fuels, why Nuclear Energy is the best energy return / energy invested source, the downside of wind energy, and why relying on battery metals is a national security issue.
Check out the time stamp below:
[0:00] Brian Gritt’s Background
[3:00] Energy Myths
[7:50] The Process of Changing Your Mind
[15:30] We shouldn’t demonized Fossil Fuels
[23:00] People Embrace Technology when is better.
[28:00] Is a National Security Issue to rely on Battery Metals.
[33:00] Could Electric Utilities become High Growth?
[37:00] Nuclear Energy: Is the best Energy Return / Energy Invested?
[48:00] Wind Energy is too Uneconomical.
[52:00] More from Brian and Closing Questions.
If you enjoyed the podcast, check out Brian on Twitter @BrianGitt.
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality!
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns in support of MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus actually makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, and all from those that know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR every day in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive.

Feb 10, 2023 • 51min
Q4 Investor Audible Series: Praetorian Capital, Gator Capital, & Maran Capital
This week we're continuing our Investor Audibles series with Q4 2022 letters from the following investors/funds:
Praetorian Capital
Gator Capital Management
Maran Capital
Please let me know what other letters you'd want to hear on future Investor Audible series episodes!
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality.
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns in support of MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus actually makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, and all from those that know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR every day in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive.

Feb 3, 2023 • 1h 16min
Shrubbery Capital Pt. 2: Process, Simplicity, & TikTok Investing
Hey Guys! This week we are back for a second round with the anonymous account @agnostoxxx aka The Shrub. This episode was all about idea generation, what happens when we go from an Inflationary Environment to Recessionary Environment, why he is bullish on Bayer ($BAYN) and how at the end of the day most analyst in the industry are Tik Tok investors.
Check out the time stamp below:
[0:00] What has changed the last time we talked?
[5:00] From Inflationary Environment to a Recessionary Environment
[18:00] Idea Generation: Betting on Farfetch
[32:00] Bayer ($BAYN): Bull Thesis
[55:00] Learning about the Energy Industry
[1:07:00] Tik Tok Investing
[1:12:00] More from Shrub Capital and Closing Questions
If you like what you heard, go follow Shrub on Twitter @agnostoxx.
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality!
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns in support of MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus actually makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, and all from those that know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR every day in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive.

Jan 27, 2023 • 1h 23min
Rory Johnston: Oil & Gas Industry Crash Course
Hey Guys! This week our guest is Rory Johnston. He is the savant of all things oil. We discussed how he became an energy analyst, oil’s volatile history, how energy companies started caring about profitability and forgetting about growth at all cost, what is shale energy, the oil and field services and how to understand supply and demand data.
[0:00] Who is Rory Jonhston?
[7:30] The Energy Lost Decade
[16:00] Where to start learning the energy industry?
[22:00] Oil is Technology.
[27:00] Oil’s Volatile History
[32:00] Profitability > Growth
[34:00] What is shale oil?
[40:00] Oil and Field Services
[42:00] Pressure Pumping and Labor Most Likely to Benefit the Most
[50:00] The Stone Age did not end for the lack of stones.
[52:00] Understanding Demand and Supply: Inventories, Futures Curve,
[55:00] Supply and Demand Data: IEA, OPEC, Energy Information Agency
[1:05:00] Where to learn?
[1:16:00] More from Rory Johnston and Closing Questions
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality!
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns in support of MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus actually makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, and all from those that know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR every day in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive.

6 snips
Jan 20, 2023 • 1h 22min
Dede Eyesan: How To Find Stocks That Return 10x in 10 Years
Hey Guys! This week’s topic is about global outperformers and our guest Dede Eyesan is here to share his knowledge. Last year, Dede published a book titled Global Outperformers, where he studied listed companies that returned more than 1,000% in 10 years. Throughout this episode we get to know who Dede Eyesan is, the process of researching 10 baggers, what are some similarities 10 baggers share between themselves, the differences between a profitable vs an unprofitable 10 bagger, differences between geographies and how we should implement the lessons learned.
Make sure to follow Dede on Twitter. Here is the time stamp below:
[0:00] Who is Dede Eyesan?
[6:00] Researching Companies that are 10 baggers.
[8:00] Factor Analysis on 10 baggers.
[16:00] Unprofitable Companies vs Profitable Companies
[20:00] Results of Market Cap vs Returns
[23:00] Returns and Geography: India
[35:00] Chinese Outperformers
[45:00] Japanese Outperformers
[55:00] Swedish Outperformers
[1:01:00] Implementing the Lessons Learned
[1:15:00] More from Dede and Closing Questions
Finally, a big thanks to the following sponsors for making the podcast a reality!
Mitimco
This episode is brought to you by MIT Investment Management Company, also known as MITIMCo, the investment office of MIT. Each year, MITIMCo invests in a handful of new emerging managers who it believes can earn exceptional long-term returns in support of MIT's mission. To help the emerging manager community more broadly, they created emergingmanagers.org, a website for emerging manager stockpickers.
For those looking to start a stock-picking fund or just looking to learn about how others have done it, I highly recommend the site. You'll find essays and interviews by successful emerging managers, service providers used by MIT's own managers, essays MITIMCo has written for emerging managers and more!
Tegus
Tegus has the world’s largest collection of instantly available interviews on all the public and private companies you care about. Tegus actually makes primary research fun and effortless, too. Instead of weeks and months, you can learn a new industry or company in hours, and all from those that know it best.
I spend nearly all my time reading Tegus calls on existing holdings and new ideas. And I know you will too. So if you’re interested, head on over to tegus.co/valuehive for a free trial to see for yourself.
TIKR
TIKR is THE BEST resource for all stock market data, I use TIKR every day in my process, and I know you will too. Make sure to check them out at TIKR.com/hive