

The Cloudcast
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The Cloudcast (@cloudcastpod) is the industry's #1 Cloud Computing podcast, and the place where Cloud meets AI. Co-hosts Aaron Delp (@aarondelp) & Brian Gracely (@bgracely) speak with technology and business leaders that are shaping the future of business. Topics will include Cloud Computing | AI | AGI | ChatGPT | Open Source | AWS | Azure | GCP | Platform Engineering | DevOps | Big Data | ML | Security | Kubernetes | AppDev | SaaS | PaaS .
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Apr 3, 2019 • 35min
Navigating the Engineering Career Paths
SHOW: 392DESCRIPTION: Brian talks with Uma Chingunde (@the_umac, Engineering Manager at @Stripe) about engineering career paths as an IC or Manager, how managers can be effective mentors, job rotations, and how diversity is an opportunity for every team. SHOW SPONSOR LINKS:Datadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtMongoDB Atlas - Automated cloud MongoDB serviceVisit mongodb.com/cloudcast to learn more. MongoDB Atlas handles all the costly database operations and admin tasks that you’d rather not spend time on, like security, high availability, data recovery, monitoring, and elastic scaling. Try MongoDB Atlas today!Get 20% off VelocityConf passes using discount code CLOUDCLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK:Microsoft announces Azure Stack HCIChef announces fully open-source softwareAqua Security announces $62M funding roundThe Rise of Progressive Delivery for Systems ResilienceWe Looked at 101 Startup CEO Salaries – Here’s What We FoundWhy Today's Business Schools Teach Yesterday's ExpertiseSHOW INTERVIEW LINKS:Uma Chingunde’s Background: https://conferences.oreilly.com/velocity/vl-ca/public/schedule/speaker/336620Navigating the Mid-Career Plateau (Uma’s Velocity Talk)Stripe Homepage - Online payment processing for internet businessesSHOW NOTES:Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. Tell us about your background, as well as some of the things you’re working on these days at Stripe. Topic 2 - We’ve discussed the career mindset of people more on the sales/marketing side of companies, but you’re beginning to look at this within engineering teams. Let’s start with the framework of how you think about that for yourself and then for people within your team. Topic 3 - What are traditional vs non traditional IC and manager paths you can explore?Topic 4 - How do you think about the engineer vs manager track? Does it always have to be these two options, or are you seeing other paths, maybe more senior options as an IC?Topic 5 - What are some variations on the above for underrepresented groups?FEEDBACK?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @ServerlessCast

Mar 28, 2019 • 35min
Real-World SRE Perspectives
SHOW: 391DESCRIPTION: Brian talks with Gustavo Franco (@stratus, Customer Reliability Engineer at Google) about real-world experience as SRE/SRE Manager and CRE Manager, a discussion about how to measure SRE success, as well as how to onboard the SRE/CRE concepts and processes to new teams. SHOW SPONSOR LINKS:MongoDB Atlas - Automated cloud MongoDB serviceVisit mongodb.com/cloudcast to learn more. MongoDB Atlas handles all the costly database operations and admin tasks that you’d rather not spend time on, like security, high availability, data recovery, monitoring, and elastic scaling. Try MongoDB Atlas today!Datadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtGet 20% off VelocityConf passes using discount code CLOUDCLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK:The Continuous Delivery Foundation was announced by the Linux FoundationKubernetes v1.14 released - Adds Windows Container supportGoogle introduces Cloud-based (streaming) Gaming Service called StadiaUPS To Send Nurses For In-Home VaccinationsSHOW INTERVIEW LINKS:Gustavo's Background: https://conferences.oreilly.com/velocity/vl-ca/public/schedule/speaker/150125“Scaling SRE, the Journey from 1 to Many Teams” (Gustavo’s talk at Velocity) DevOps and SRETuning up SLIs SHOW NOTES:Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. Tell us about your background, and some of the things you work on today as it relates to SRE and CRE teams. Topic 2 - Let's talk about what SRE is intended to do, and maybe how it differs (or is the same) from existing teams that might be labeled "Ops" or "DevOps". Maybe we can also talk about some of the types of skills that highlight what SRE does.Topic 3 - What are some of the ways to avoid an SRE (or CRE) team just becoming the band-aid team to fix all the things that developers don't want to put into code because they are under deadlines (security, bug fixed, scalability, etc.)?Topic 4 - We're hearing more about these terms "AIOps" and "ChaosEngineering". How much can SRE/CRE teams augment applications through tools that either bring deeper insight (e.g. AIOps) or create scenarios that developers can't emulate (e.g. Chaos)?Topic 5 - You've been around SRE/CRE for a while now. What are some of the positive and negative lessons you've learned and could share with the audience?FEEDBACK?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @ServerlessCast&a

Mar 20, 2019 • 31min
Exploring the SaaS Business Model
SHOW: 390DESCRIPTION: Brian talks with Aneel Lakhani (@aneel, Go To Market Consultant and Advisor) about the difference between traditional Enterprise software and B2B SaaS offerings, how the sales and marketing models work, and how development and operations is significantly changed with SaaS.SHOW SPONSOR LINKS:Datadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtCLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK:Amazon is introducing private investors to high-risk start-ups in a new pilot program - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/15/aws-pilots-pro-rata-program-to-connect-investors-with-start-ups.htmlThe top 25 VCs investing in SaaS right now - https://growthlist.co/blog/saas-vcThe State of DevOps Report survey is now open - https://google.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0v2VZMeA2Eha365?sp=8SHOW INTERVIEW LINKS:Aneel’s Background: From engineering and product roles at IBM to marketing and go to market roles at Cisco and a number of SaaS startups, with a brief stint as a Research Director at Gartner. Has been a frequent speaker at events like Velocity and been on many podcasts, including this one, Andreessen Horowitz’s, and Microsoft’s Open Source Show.GTM Fit Summit - Go To Market Fit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsuZzi-Hm3Marketing 102 for Engineers - Roughing Out a Funnel - https://hackernoon.com/marketing-102-for-engineers-ddf3b7fa61e6SHOW NOTES:Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. We’ve known each other for quite a while, but tell our audience about your last 10 years in gaining a ton of experience around startups and SaaS-based businesses. Topic 2 - A few weeks ago, in the middle of a Twitter conversation, you said “SaaS changes everything”. Let’s start with the most basic things. How is a SaaS-delivered business different than a traditional software business? (development, go-to-market, marketing, profitability (or loss) models)Topic 3 - Digging into the sales and marketing funnel, walk us through what typically happens from awareness to sign-up to early/free trial to actual customer engagement, and how a SaaS company is measuring along the way.Topic 4 - Help us understand the economics of product development in a SaaS business. Not only do you have the normal costs/challenges of building the software, but you have the ongoing costs of running the SaaS operations. Topic 5 - What are some of the critical metrics and measurements that the SaaS company and their VCs are typically looking at? Topic 6 - What is the thought process of SaaS companies about their service eventually becoming an AWS service at the next re:Invent? FEEDBACK?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @ServerlessCast

Mar 15, 2019 • 28min
AIOps for Security and Breach Protection
SHOW: 389DESCRIPTION: Brian talks with Adam Hunt (CTO and Chief Data Scientist at @RiskIQ) about the breadth of security breaches, how AI/ML can play a role if used properly, and immediate steps to improve protection for breaches.SHOW SPONSOR LINKS:Datadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtCLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEKAWS Announced Open Distro for ElasticSearchhttps://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/keeping-open-source-open-open-distro-for-elasticsearch/Rebuttals or Commentary on Open Distro for ElasticSearch https://www.elastic.co/blog/on-open-distros-open-source-and-building-a-companyhttps://thenewstack.io/what-the-fork-amazon/https://www.influxdata.com/blog/aws-intends-for-their-new-project-to-be-an-elasticsearch-fork/https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2019/03/15/cloud-open-source-powder-keg/Continuous Delivery Foundation launched by Linux Foundationhttps://devops.com/the-linux-foundation-launches-continuous-delivery-foundation/VC Investment in the Service Mesh spaceBouyant ($10M) Tetrate ($12.5M) SHOW INTERVIEW LINKS:RiskIQ - https://www.riskiq.com/Onboard Machine Learning Like a Junior Engineer - https://www.kdnuggets.com/2018/04/onboarding-machine-learning.htmlSHOW NOTES:Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. You have quite an interesting and impressive background. Can you talk a little bit about your work in academia prior to RiskIQ, and then what drew you to this space?Topic 2 - RiskIQ focuses on helping companies mitigate massive security attacks. For people that don’t live in the security domain, can you give us a sense of what one of these attacks and breaches look like? Topic 3 - Can you give us a sense of how many of these massive attacks are utilizing new techniques, or is it variants of existing techniques, or just old techniques looking for new (vulnerable) targets? And are there tools to help companies understand how to prioritize against these? Topic 4 - Where are we in the industry in terms of the intersection of security best practices that IT teams can control, and when ML-driven capabilities can augment for more proactive security? Topic 5 - What are some of the things that you’re recommending to companies that are helping to make immediate impacts to them preventing or reducing massive breaches? Feedback?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @ServerlessCast

Mar 6, 2019 • 25min
New Tools for Cloud Native Developers
Show: 388Description: Brian talks with Eric Rudder (@ericrudder; Co-Founder and Executive Chairman @PulumiCorp) about the evolving tools and supply-chain for both developers and operations in a cloud-native world. Show Sponsor Links:Datadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtCloud News of the WeekLyft announces IPO plans and explains AWS spending (including a big contract with AWS)https://www.businessinsider.com/lyft-ipo-amazon-web-services-2019-3A Reddit discussion on AWS limitshttps://www.reddit.com/r/aws/comments/aun29l/a_new_candidate_for_the_list_of_stupidest_aws/Wikibon - Hybrid Cloud Taxonomy https://wikibon.com/hybrid-cloud-taxonomy/ServerlessConf 2019 - New York (October 7-9)https://nyc2019.serverlessconf.io/Show Interview Links:Pulumi - https://www.pulumi.comShow Notes:Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. Tell us a little bit about your background prior to Pulumi, and your motivation for creating Pulumi. Topic 2 - Pulumi’s stated goal is “Create, deploy, and manage modern cloud apps and infrastructure”. Break that down for us, as it cuts across a lot of different job functions and (currently) different tooling being used today. Topic 3 - Between serverless and containers, it’s been pretty well acknowledged that the developer experience has a long way to go. Lots of burden put on the developer to understand the underlying systems. How does Pulumi attempt to simply or standardize around this challenge? Topic 4 - You obviously have a bunch of experience with developer communities from your days at Microsoft. Getting developers to standardize on things in mass is not a simple task. What are some of the ways to create movement to newer tools or technologies? Topic 5 - What are some of your expectations about how much of the software supply-chain, from writing code to testing/securing code to deploying will have to get disrupted with new cloud-native applications (containers, serverless, etc.) and how much do you feel like is solved enough to leave in place? Feedback?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @ServerlessCast

Feb 27, 2019 • 31min
Discussing Service Mesh Architectures
Show: 387Description: Aaron and Brian talk with Armon Dadgar (@armon, Founder/CTO @HashiCorp) about the problems service mesh can solve, the underlying technologies, control plane vs. data plane considerations, and who is making decisions about service meshes within an IT organization.Show Sponsor Links:Liquid Technology - IT Value RecoveryTry CloudLast Service, get a free t-shirt and chance at Amazon Gift CardDatadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry DataDog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtCloud News of the WeekJFrog acquires Shippable, adding continuous integration and delivery to its DevOps platformAmazon launches third Alexa Accelerator for conversational startupsAzure Kinect DK - Build computer vision and speech models using a developer kit with advanced AI sensorsFollow the CAPEX: Cloud Table Stakes 2018 Edition (Charles Fitzgerald - Platformnomics)Show Interview Links:Hashicorp - http://hashicorp.comWhat is a Service Mesh - https://www.hashicorp.com/resources/what-is-a-service-meshConsul - https://www.consul.io/Show Notes:Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. It’s been a couple years since HashiCorp has been on the show, so give us an update on the company - big round of funding ($100M) in November.Topic 2 - A couple months ago we saw you in a video called “What is a Service Mesh?”. It was intended to be a “let’s make this simple” and you realize that a Service Mesh could be a lot of things - L4-L7 routing, Proxy, Encryption, Authentication, Application patterns. Is a Service Mesh solving a new problem, or is it pulling together lots of things that have existed at L4-L7 and application stacks in the past? Topic 3 - “Service Mesh” has become a pretty crowded and fragmented market over the last couple years. HashiCorp Consul has been around since 2014 (was originally “Service Discovery”) and now there’s Linkerd, Istio, Envoy and a bunch of variations. As you talk to people in the market, how are they evaluating the options out there? Topic 4 - Consul has evolved from Service Discovery to Service Mesh, and seems to have come from more of an authentication and security perspective (some others tends to be more routing-centric). Are there use-cases when one Service Mesh is a better fit than others, or should we expect that all/most of them will more or less converged on features over the next 12-24 months? Topic 5 - Can you give us some examples of how companies are using Service Meshes today (parts or all of the capabilities) and what teams are usually driving the adoption (infra/ops, security, app-dev, etc.)?Feedback?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @ServerlessCast

Feb 20, 2019 • 31min
Evolution of Public Cloud Integrators
Show: 386Description: Aaron and Brian talk with Jeff Aden (@aden_jeff, Founder/EVP at @2ndWatch) about the evolution of 2ndWatch as a Cloud Integrator as AWS has grown and shifted their focus from startups to Enterprise customers. Show Sponsor Links:Liquid Technology - IT Value RecoveryTry CloudLast Service, get a free t-shirt and chance at Amazon Gift CardDatadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtCloud News of the WeekGoogle’s managed hybrid cloud platform is now in beta - tcrn.ch/2SfJXxg Google Buys Alooma -https://gweb-cloudblog-publish.appspot.com/topics/inside-google-cloud/google-announces-intent-to-acquire-alooma-to-simplify-cloud-migration/amp/This Silicon Valley VC Firm Raised $500 Million To Invest Ahead Of Growth-Stage Giants Like SoftBank - on.forbes.com/6011ET2a9Show Notes:Topic 1 - Welcome to the show Jeff. Tell us about your background, the founding of 2nd Watch, and how the company has evolved over the last few years. Topic 2 - We got to know 2nd Watch at one of the first re:Invent shows, as they had one of the largest booths on the floor. At the time, they were listed as one of AWS’s best partners. Today, 2ndWatch provides management tools, migration tools, systems-integration capabilities. How does 2ndWatch think of themselves? Topic 3 - What are the concerns of your customers today, and how does 2ndWatch think about matching customer demands and the types of tools/services/capabilities that you provide today?Topic 4 - We’d like to pick your brain about the usage and insights you’re seeing from your customers usage of AWS. It’s mentioned that 100% are using DynamoDB, 53% are using Elastic Kubernetes, and are fast growing section are using things likes Athena, Glue and Sagemaker. What are some of the types of applications that you’re seeing customer build that leverage these new models? Topic 5 - With technologies like Outpost being announced, after so many years of AWS saying “Cloud or legacy Data Center”, how do you see this impacting the thought process of customers or potential customers? Feedback?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @ServerlessCast

Feb 15, 2019 • 42min
Mid Career Job Changes
Show: 385Description: Aaron and Brian talk with Keith Townsend (@CTOAdvisor) about jobs around the IT industry, and the opportunities, challenges and trade-offs in making various types of mid-career job changes. Show Sponsor Links:Liquid Technology - IT Value RecoveryTry CloudLast Service, get a free t-shirt and chance at Amazon Gift CardDatadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtShow Notes:Topic 1 - Welcome back to the show. Want to talk about the pros and cons of various types of jobs in and around the IT industry - Vendors, Integrators, Contractors, Consultants, IT within a Company (Customer)Topic 2 - Most of the 2000s and about half of the 2010s were a huge boom for remote workers. It feels like that trend is reversing. Lots of Silicon Valley companies are reversing it, the major Public Cloud providers are specific about location, IBM had a push back towards offices. Walking the fine line between a remote team or an in office team. Also, challenges to stepping into leadership. Some leadership is not remote friendly historicallyTopic 3 - If you decide that you want to work around “emerging” technologies, you’re usually having to decide between a few critical factors - travel, visibility/marketing/advocating, salary certainty, and career path. Topic 4 - “Move up the stack” or “Move towards value” - Is this something that is realistic for people that have 5+ years in a skill set? What are some realistic things people could do in this domain?Topic 5 - What are some examples you’ve seen or recommends you’ve been given about how to make these transitions?Feedback?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @ServerlessCast

Feb 6, 2019 • 32min
Multi-Cloud Security
Show: 384Description: Aaron talks with Harry Sverdlove (@TheSecureWord, Founder & CTO Edgewise Networks) about the evolution of security to embrace both a micro-services and multi-cloud world.Show Sponsor Links:Datadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtLiquid Technology - IT Value RecoveryTry CloudLast Service, get a free t-shirt and chance at Amazon Gift CardCloud News of the WeekDropbox picks up HelloSign for $230MBosch investing 4 billion euro to accelerate building out their autonomous car divisionCisco has announced ACI extensions into AWS and Azure as a “data center anywhere” solutionVC funding in 2018Show Interview Links:Edgewise websiteHarry on TwitterTopic 1 - Briefly Introduce yourself and tell everyone a little bit about your background.Topic 2 - The topic of security historically has been a weakness for Brian and I, let’s start at the start and cover a few base topics first. What are some of the big challenges customers are facing today in hybrid and public cloud?Topic 3 - I came from the “secure the perimeter” world back in the day. How has this concept evolved and does it still apply to operations today?Topic 4 - Are we evolving into an anomaly detection mindset going forward? How does AI/ML assist (if at all) in this area vs. historical trends and pattern matching?Topic 5 - As applications move to more cloud native architectures joined with a loose coupling of microservice, how does this change play into approaching the problem?Topic 6 - Last question, what implications does multi-cloud present?Feedback?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @theserverlesscast

Jan 30, 2019 • 41min
A Serverless Look Ahead for 2019
Show: 383 Description: Aaron and Brian talk with Paul D. Johnston (@PaulDJohnston, Co-Founder ServerlessDays (creator of “Jeff”), CXO Serverless Consultant) about the current state of Serverless, Serverless vs. FaaS, how to economically think about functions of code, and areas where Serverless needs to improve. Show Sponsor Links:Datadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirtLiquid Technology - IT Value RecoveryTry CloudLast Service, get a free t-shirt and chance at Amazon Gift CardCloud News of the WeekIBM signs deal with Vodafone - https://newsroom.ibm.com/2019-01-17-IBM-Vodafone-Business-Join-Forces-to-Drive-Innovation-in-Rapidly-Changing-WorldIBM signs deal with Juniper - https://www.ibm.com/blogs/cloud-computing/2019/01/18/ibm-juniper-cloud-agreement/Travis CI acquired by Idera - https://blog.travis-ci.com/2019-01-23-travis-ci-joins-idera-incConfluent, creators of Kafka, raised $125M in VC funding in a Round D, at a $2.5B valuation - https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2019/01/23/open-source-unicorn-confluent-reaches-25-billion-valuation-three-years-after-hiring-its-first-sales-rep/#67d93c3315e2Microsoft buys Citus Data (open source Postgres SQL) - http://zd.net/2FQfF2vShow Interview Links:Paul’s Blog - https://medium.com/@PaulDJohnstonThe ServerlessCast #6 - Event-Driven Thinking with Paul Johnson - http://www.thecloudcast.net/2017/05/the-serverlesscast-6-events-vs-functions.htmlServerlessDays - https://serverlessdays.io/Show Notes:Topic 1 - Happy New Year, hope you’re having a good 2019. It’s been a while since you were last on the show. As the creator of Jeff, what have you been up to lately?Topic 2 - Let’s talk about a basic thing that seems to confuse people. What’s the new definition, or the actual difference (if there is any), between “Serverless” and “Functions as a Service”. Topic 3 - I’ve seen you mention several times on Twitter that, “Few people really understand how powerful serverless can be. They focus on the wrong things.” Help us get focused on the important parts. Topic 4 - I’ve also seen you say that “with serverless, infrastructure is a rounding error.” Walk us through the economics of your experiences with serverless, and how you think about “profitable software”.Topic 5 - Why do you think it seems like so many of the other cloud offerings are so far behind AWS Lambda? Topic 6 - At a high level, what is working well in serverless, and what is still complicated or missing? What’s your wishlist for 2019?Feedback?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and