

The Cloudcast
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The Cloudcast (@cloudcastpod) is the industry's #1 Cloud Computing podcast, and the place where Cloud meets AI. Co-hosts Aaron Delp (@aarondelp) & Brian Gracely (@bgracely) speak with technology and business leaders that are shaping the future of business. Topics will include Cloud Computing | AI | AGI | ChatGPT | Open Source | AWS | Azure | GCP | Platform Engineering | DevOps | Big Data | ML | Security | Kubernetes | AppDev | SaaS | PaaS .
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Jun 21, 2023 • 49min
Second Wave of DevOps
Adam Jacob (@adamhjk, Founder/CEO of @thesysteminit) talks about the potential for DevOps 2.0. What’s new, what needs to be started from scratch, and the formation of new ecosystems.SHOW: 729CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:Equinix Global Data Centers and Networking Learn more and signup at https://deploy.equinix.com/. Use the coupon code CLOUDCAST to get $500 in credits to get started.Datadog Security Solution: Modern Monitoring and SecurityStart investigating security threats before it affects your customers with a free 14 day Datadog trial. Listeners of The Cloudcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirt.SHOW NOTES:System Initiative (homepage)System Initiative (demo)Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. Give everyone a quick background.Topic 2 - Before we dive into the announcements from today, let’s go back in time a little bit. What worked well at Chef, what worked well with DevOps 1.0, and what was broken?Topic 3 - Let’s talk about your philosophy with DevOps 2.0. What’s new, what needs to be started from scratch, and how do you see the ecosystem potentially forming around this new model?Topic 4 - Walk us through the new system. Obviously demos and visuals will be available, but paint us a picture or a day (or week/month) with this new model?Topic 5 - You’ve been working on this for a few years, and we suspect you’re getting feedback from people you trust and potential users. What sort of feedback are you hearing? What didn’t you expect to hear?Topic 6 - What’s the best way for people to get started?FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

Jun 18, 2023 • 21min
Nobody wants to own Security
Developers don’t want to be told “NO” by the Security team. They also don’t want to be responsible for security. Is Shift Left the right or wrong answer?SHOW: 728CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:Find "Breaking Analysis Podcast with Dave Vellante" on Apple, Google and SpotifyKeep up to data with Enterprise Tech with theCUBECloudZero – Cloud Cost Visibility and SavingsCloudZero provides immediate and ongoing savings with 100% visibility into your total cloud spendSHOW NOTES:Speed vs Security - Protecting CloudNative EnvironmentsCloud-native Security and Compliance (VMware Tanzu Talk)THANK YOU TO ALL THE DADS OUT THERE ON FATHER’S DAYHappy Father’s Day!WHAT’S THE RIGHT ANSWER TO DEVELOPERS AND SECURITY?Every IT survey places Security in the Top 3 priorities, year after yearWho is actually able to measure the value of good vs bad security?The independent IT group called Security is frequently dislikedDevSecOps, Shift-Left and Secure Supply Chain has been invented to fix thisDevelopers generally don’t want to think about security, because it impacts their productivity and measured KPIsIs this a platform problem, or CI/CD problem, or compliance/standards problem?Will the challenge of security force more groups/companies to move away from microservices in the future? FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

Jun 14, 2023 • 36min
Developer Security
Randall Degges (@rdegges, Head DevRel & Community @snyksec) talks about best practices of how to integrate security into application development environments. SHOW: 727CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:Datadog Monitoring: Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsStart monitoring your infrastructure, applications, logs and security in one place with a free 14 day Datadog trial. Listeners of The Cloudcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirt.Equinix Global Data Centers and Networking Learn more and signup at https://deploy.equinix.com/. Use the coupon code CLOUDCAST to get $500 in credits to get started. SHOW NOTES:Snyk homepageSnyk Open SourceTopic 1 - Welcome to the show. Give everyone a quick background.Topic 2 - The intersection of development and security has become a hot topic in recent years. How did the issues start and what are the most common vulnerabilities or issues you run into?Topic 3 - Security can really exist anywhere and we constantly hear about shifting left. When we are talking about developers and security, where in the process and pipelines should people, process and tools get involved?Topic 4 - I know API security has become quite well known and is a common area, what are other areas developers need to consider? With the rise of AI, how does this impact?Topic 5 - There is a big difference between discovery and remediation. How should developers address this?Topic 6 - What is the difference between Snyk Open Source and the company?Topic 7 - How do you convince both security and development teams to adopt a common platform? Is this a challenge and how do you overcome issues? FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

Jun 11, 2023 • 26min
The Hollowing Out of the Software Middle
'Software companies taste like chicken,' says private-equity mogul. 'They’re selling different products, but 80% of what they do is pretty much the same'SHOW: 726CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:Equinix Global Data Centers and Networking Learn more and signup at https://deploy.equinix.com/. Use the coupon code CLOUDCAST to get $500 in credits to get started. Find "Breaking Analysis Podcast with Dave Vellante" on Apple, Google and SpotifyKeep up to data with Enterprise Tech with theCUBESHOW NOTES:VCs comment on how 80% of software is all the same (WSJ)218 Booths at Kubecon AnalyzedTHE MARKET USUALLY ONLY SUPPORTS THREE OPTIONSWalking around KubeCon,nearly every segment had 6-10 companies offering solutionsMarkets can’t sustain more 3 in any category (Market Leader, Market Follower, Cheaper Option)The Market can’t understand the differentiation of the 6-10 company market; 80% of the functionality is the same.We’re coming out of Unicornpalozza (2019-2022)OPEN SOURCE AND SAAS HAVE HOLLOWED OUT THE MIDDLE OF SOFTWAREOpen source typically highlights the creator, largest contributor to a projectBeyond that, open source is “integration” companies, or “lifecycle” companiesLarge companies (or platforms) can buy up the “feature” companies to fill in their gapsCompanies in the middle have to build sales and marketing around mostly undifferentiated messaging or products.SaaS allows companies to leverage product-led-growth, and micro-target to specific use-cases. The successful middle (mid-sized, decent growth) will get picked off by PEThe unsuccessful middle (great tech, bad execution) may get picked off by large vendorsThe unsuccessful middle (average tech, bad execution) will go underFEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

Jun 7, 2023 • 36min
The Economics & Beyond of Object Storage
Jon Toor (CMO @CloudianStorage) talks about the history and evolution of object storage, the rise of enterprise class object storage, and the changing economics of cloud storage.SHOW: 725CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:CloudZero – Cloud Cost Visibility and SavingsCloudZero provides immediate and ongoing savings with 100% visibility into your total cloud spendDatadog Application Monitoring: Modern Application Performance MonitoringGet started monitoring service dependencies to eliminate latency and errors and enhance your users app experience with a free 14 day Datadog trial. Listeners of The Cloudcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirt.SHOW NOTES:Cloudian websiteTopic 1 - Welcome to the show Jon. Tell us a little bit about your background. Your career and Cloudian parallel in many ways.Topic 2 - Cloudian has been around since before object storage was cool. We first heard about Cloudian back in the OpenStack and early AWS S3 days. Object storage has come a long way. Can you help everyone frame where we were and where we are today?Topic 3 - We’ve seen the rise of Enterprise class, S3 compatible object storage for use cases like hybrid cloud, data sovereignty, and more recently analytics such as data lakehouses. Where are you seeing implementations these days as we’ve moved beyond basic, simple storage behind cloud backends. Topic 4 - With the recent changes to the world economy, how much does economics come into conversations around the design of solutions. There’s often a healthy tension between what is technically possible and what is economically feasible. How does that design conversation play out lately?Topic 5 - We used to talk about “Data Gravity” all the time. The concept for those unfamiliar is that data has a certain weight and attracts more data to existing sources and becomes hard to move over time. We haven’t talked about it as much in recent years and we are seeing the rise of hybrid and multicloud solutions but folks often don’t think about access to the data. Where are folks building large data sets? What are they using them for? Are they ever moving them?Topic 6 - Last question, Cloudian is well known for their partnerships, alliances and solutions. You partner with hardware companies, software companies, backup companies, public clouds, etc. It’s quite a mix. Has this been a factor in Cloudian’s longevity and tell everyone a little bit about how this came to be and how important you see this for the future. FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

Jun 4, 2023 • 34min
How to Build a Tech ROI Model
They get requested all the time; a technology ROI model. But how do you build one, what does it tell you, and how are they relevant for technology purchases? SHOW: 724CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:Find "Breaking Analysis Podcast with Dave Vellante" on Apple, Google and SpotifyKeep up to data with Enterprise Tech with theCUBECloudZero – Cloud Cost Visibility and SavingsCloudZero provides immediate and ongoing savings with 100% visibility into your total cloud spendSHOW NOTES:How to Calculate ROI to Justify a Project (HBR)Guide to Calculating ROIInvesting in New Business Tech: How to Calculate ROI WHY ARE MANAGERS ALWAYS ASKING FOR THE ROI?Businesses, and IT groups, always have more projects than they have budgetHow do they prioritize which projects to work on? Which ones to ignore?People higher up don’t understand tech, but they understand finance.WHY ISN’T ROI EASIER TO CALCULATE? AND DOES ANYONE CARE LATER ON?ROI could be about making money, saving money, or reducing risk.ROI Basics: Revenues, Costs, TimeTech ROI is mostly a scoping activity - what are we including in the calculation?Tech ROI could be short-term or long-term.Finance Stuff: CAPEX, OPEX, Depreciation, Time-Value-of-Money, IRR, Hurdle RateGood ROI vs. Bad ROI? Basics: Build a “Before and After” ModelStuff included in ROI calculations: Expected Revenues, Expected Costs (all of them: technology, people, changes, etc.), Cost Savings/Eliminations, Productivity Improvements, Experience Improvements (Assumptions, Storytelling) What if the decision-makers aren’t around when the ROI timeline ends?FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

May 31, 2023 • 52min
DevOps, OSS Communities & WASM in the Public Cloud
Bridget Kromhout (@bridgetkromhout, Principal PM @Azure) & Ralph Squillace (@ralph_squillace, Principal PM @Azure) talk about DevOps, Public Cloud involvement with OSS communities, CNCF, WASM and OSS Communities. SHOW: 724CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:Datadog Synthetic Monitoring: Frontend and Backend Modern MonitoringEnsure frontend issues don’t impair user experience by detecting user-facing issues with API and browser tests with a free 14 day Datadog trial. Listeners of The Cloudcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirt. CloudZero – Cloud Cost Visibility and SavingsCloudZero provides immediate and ongoing savings with 100% visibility into your total cloud spendSHOW NOTES:Open Source on AzureArrested DevOps PodcastDevOps DaysWeb Assembly, Docker, Containerd, and Kubernetes (YouTube)Microsoft Open SourceRevive WG-LTS · Issue #7259 · kubernetes/community · GitHubKubernetes 1.23: Dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 Networking Reaches GA Develop serverless WebAssembly apps with Spin | Fermyon • Experience the next wave of cloud computing. GitHub - jpetazzo/container.training: Slides and code samples for training, tutorials, and workshops about Docker, containers, and Kubernetes.xkcd: Dependency Topic 1 - Bridget, welcome back! It's been over 7 years since you were last on the show! Ralph, welcome to the show! Topic 2 - Bridget, let’s talk about your journey. You were involved with Arrested DevOps Podcast & DevOps Days. Your career has changed a bit from the Developer Advocate path into the PM side. Tell us a little bit about that.Topic 3 - For those that aren’t familiar, tell everyone about OSS @ Azure. How does Azure work with the Linux Foundation and the CNCF?Topic 4 - Ralph, let’s talk about Web Assembly a bit. How did you get involved? How does Web Assembly fit into the bigger Azure architecture? How does it compare to Azure Functions?Topic 5 - We last talked about WASM probably in the summer last year. Momentum appears to have picked up dramatically judging by interest at recent KubeCon events. From your perspective, how has the space evolved and changed in the last 12 months?Topic 6 - How is Web Assembly different from the past promises of PaaS? What are some of the unique capabilities and use-cases that have evolved?FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

May 28, 2023 • 19min
AI is the new Bi-Modal IT
As AI begins to go mainstream in IT, we’re now at the stage where projects will either be AI-enabled or not, creating the new Bi-Modal IT for the 2020s. SHOW: 722CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:Find "Breaking Analysis Podcast with Dave Vellante" on Apple, Google and SpotifyKeep up to data with Enterprise Tech with theCUBESHOW NOTES:Why Digital Business needs BiModal IT (Gartner 2015)Slack getting an AI ChatbotNVIDIA shares spike on demand for AI chipsAI announcements from Microsoft Build 2023Windows and the AI Platform ShiftGoogle I/O and the coming AI BattlesRed Hat extends OpenShift for the Generative AI eraStackOverflow usage is down since ChatGPT launchEVERY VENDOR NOW HAS A PATH TO AI-INTEGRATED CAPABILITIESWhen cloud emerged in 2010s, IT projects became Bi-Modal (technology & people)Projects become classified as fast vs slow, old vs newGroups become classified as fast vs slow, old vs newWILL AI-ENABLED CAPABILITIES CHANGE HOW AI PROJECTS ARE MEASURED?Expect AI to be asked about for every IT project, by leadershipExpect to see AI being pushed into every IT projectEvery vendor is going to highlight the AI integrations in their productsStart learning how the economics change if IT is potentially part of a projectExpect people-reduction to be a real consideration with AI projectsFEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

May 24, 2023 • 41min
The Rise of Platform Engineering
Luca Galante (@luca_cloud, Product @humanitec_com & PlatformCon Organizer) talks about the latest trends in Platform Engineering, what to expect at PlatformCon 2023, and how to get engaged and join the community.SHOW: 721CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:CloudZero – Cloud Cost Visibility and SavingsCloudZero provides immediate and ongoing savings with 100% visibility into your total cloud spendDatadog Kubernetes Solution: Maximum Visibility into Container EnvironmentsStart monitoring the health and performance of your container environment with a free 14 day Datadog trial. Listeners of The Cloudcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirt.SHOW NOTES:PlatformCon homepagePlatformEngineering homepageTopic 1 - Welcome to the show. Luca, how did you get involved with Platform Engineering and how did PlatformCon come into being? Topic 2 - Platform Engineering is having its moment. There is a lot being written about Platform Engineering and a lot of customers, companies and vendors are all jumping on board. As someone who was there at the beginning, why do you think this happened? What was the need filled and the main problem solved?Topic 3 - We often hear about IDP’s (Internal Developer Platforms) associated with Platform Engineering, often as the “product” or outcome. What are your thoughts on this?Topic 4 - Every “hype cycle” eventually hits the dreaded trough of disillusionment. Momentum moves from excitement (Backstage as an example) into the “getting things done” stage and often complexity gets in the way. Do you see that happening here and how should the community address this?Topic 5 - Let’s talk about PlatformCon. What is it and what should folks expect? Was 2022 the first year? How did it go? Any lessons learned you are bringing to 2023? Topic 6 - You’re also heavily involved with the Platform Engineering Slack Community. I think you recently passed over 12k members if I remember correctly. How did that get started and what do you think contributed to such growth in such a short amount of time?FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet

May 21, 2023 • 26min
The Cloud-Native Trough of Disillusionment
Are some of the flaws of the Cloud-native ecosystem and architectures starting to get exposed? Or is this just the natural evolution of new technologies?SHOW: 720CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSORS:Find "Breaking Analysis Podcast with Dave Vellante" on Apple, Google and SpotifyKeep up to data with Enterprise Tech with theCUBECloudZero – Cloud Cost Visibility and SavingsCloudZero provides immediate and ongoing savings with 100% visibility into your total cloud spendSHOW NOTES:Good article from Adrian Cockroft on the Prime Video take on Serverless vs. MonolithsAWS grows 16% as margins narrowHere Comes the Anti-Cloud Crowd (The Cloudcast Feb 2023)THE CLOUD-NATIVE MOVEMENT WAS BUILD ON A FEW PRINCIPLESPublic Cloud would be the dominant place to run appsPublic Cloud would be cheaper to build/operate than DIY or on-premisesJust use open source softwareBuild new applications with microservicesMulti-cloud is not a real thing anyone will doIT’S VERY RARE THAT ANY NEW TECHNOLOGY REPLACES THE PREVIOUS TECHNOLOGYCNCF / KubeConEU just had 10,000 people in attendanceWe’re seeing backlash against some of the modern technologies as “one-size fits-all”.We’re seeing cloud-cost-optimization becoming a focus areaWe saw layoffs, and we continue to see companies not invest in internal skillsOne story doesn’t make a trends (but it is easy to repeat)From lulls and economic downturns have historically come great technology advancesCompanies value experience and expertiseFEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet


