

Get Creative with Pace Morby
Pace Morby
Discover the insider secrets of real estate investing and unlock your path to financial freedom with the Get Creative Podcast with Pace Morby. Join Pace and industry experts as they share invaluable tips, creative finance strategies, and success stories to help you thrive in the competitive world of real estate investing. Whether you’re a seasoned investor or just starting out, our podcast provides actionable insights to accelerate your journey towards wealth and independence. Tune in now and start building your empire today!
New episodes every week, be sure to SUBSCRIBE!
New episodes every week, be sure to SUBSCRIBE!
Episodes
Mentioned books

Sep 30, 2025 • 55min
From Slumlord to Stabilized: Flipping a Mobile Home Park with Creative Finance
Host Justin Tuminowski sits down with Texas investors Lance & Jessie Riggen to unpack their full creative-finance playbook on a 42-pad mobile home/RV park in Midland, TX. They found the deal on a listing site, negotiated $1.4M seller financing at 7.5% with 10% down and 18 months interest-only, then battled deferred maintenance, septic surprises, vacancies, and weak management.
Perfect for anyone learning creative finance, JV structuring, and mobile home park repositioning—with real numbers, real problems, and real solutions. If you’ve got a Sunbelt deal or want in on their “deal room,” connect with Lance on IG: https://www.instagram.com/lanceriggen/
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Learn the Multifamily Investing hack from Pace LIVE: https://subto.sjv.io/JKNB7E
➡️ Meet Pace on the Creative Nation Tour: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeNationTour
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 25, 2025 • 31min
How Stella Han Went From Software Engineer to Fractional Real Estate CEO
In this episode of the Get Creative Podcast, host Justin Tuminowski sits down with Stella Han, co-founder and CEO of Fractional, to explore how anyone—from seasoned investors to complete beginners—can start building wealth in real estate with as little as $5,000.
Stella shares her inspiring journey from software engineer to real estate entrepreneur with a portfolio of 150+ units, and the breakthrough moment that led her to co-create Fractional: a platform designed to make capital raising and community-driven investing accessible for everyone—not just accredited investors.
Follow Stella: https://www.instagram.com/hellastellah/
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 24, 2025 • 1h 18min
From Denial to Done Deal: Dylan’s Door Knocking Secrets
Get ready, because today’s guest is bringing it! SubTo member Dylan Eterovich is here with Pace to spill the secrets on door knocking pre-foreclosures... He’s walking us through tough seller conversations, what to do when that "yes" finally comes, and the exact systems he uses to scale... And, if you’ve ever wondered how to pull the right data to get started, Dylan’s got you covered... Let’s GO!
Follow Dylan: https://www.instagram.com/d.eterovich/
Email Dylan: deterovich@gmail.com
➡️ Save your Dying Deals with This Method: https://gator.sjv.io/OeDgzZ
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 23, 2025 • 35min
Closing Wholesale Deals with Transparency: Lessons from John Matland
In this episode of the Get Creative podcast, host Jordan Whittenburg sits down with John Matland, a former healthcare professional turned real estate investor, to explore how resilience, creativity, and transparency became the foundation of his success.
John shares his powerful story of leaving an 18-year healthcare career in New York during the pandemic, running for Congress, and ultimately discovering real estate through Pace Morby’s community. He breaks down a wholesale deal that nearly fell apart—revealing how emotional intelligence, honesty, and unique option contracts helped him close the deal against all odds.
Connect with NexKey Collective owner, John Matland on his website: NexKeyCollective.com
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Save your Dying Deals with This Method: https://gator.sjv.io/OeDgzZ
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/Z6qOyX
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 18, 2025 • 44min
From Cop to Cash Flow: Matt Poechman’s Road to Financial Freedom
In this episode of Get Creative, host Keola Keala sits down with Matt Poechman—former Canadian law enforcement officer turned real estate investor and transformational coach—to unpack how a go-giver mindset can fast-track your journey to financial freedom. Matt shares how dissatisfaction with the 60-hour grind led him to mentorship, Pace Morby’s Subto community, and ultimately a wildly creative 32-unit mobile home park deal in Montezuma, GA—structured with a triple-net lease and lease-option after a subto roadblock, raised on Dealmaker, and designed with an investor-friendly waterfall.
He welcomes all members who want to Bird Dog for him or bring him a great deal to Wedge Method and learn how he invests in Manufactured home parks and RV parks.
📲 Connect with Mathew:
Instagram | Facebook
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Save your Dying Deals with This Method: https://gator.sjv.io/JKX10R
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 16, 2025 • 26min
How to Start in Real Estate as a Side Hustle Without Quitting Your Job: Christina Zamora’s Story
Discover how eye doctor Christina Zamora started her journey into real estate, becoming a transaction coordinator and closing her first creative deal with the Subto community. Hear how Christina Zamora took action, leaned on community, and built confidence!
Connect with Christina: https://www.instagram.com/conciseconnectionstc/
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Save your Dying Deals with This Method: https://gator.sjv.io/JKX10R
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 11, 2025 • 36min
From W-2 to “Dispo Queen”: How Kristie DeLouise Made $35K on a Crystal Beach SubTo Deal
Host Justin Tuminowski sits down with Kristie DeLouise to unpack how a former JP Morgan W-2 earner became a creative-finance deal architect—making ~$35,000 by monetizing the same Crystal Beach, TX subject-to Airbnb three different ways. Kristie shares how she and husband John Matland moved from NY to South Florida for “climate & cash flow,” picked up five doors in a year, and then engineered a Texas win: direct-to-agent on Lobster Ave, navigating Hurricane Beryl jitters, a buyer backing out, enforcing a non-refundable EMD, re-marketing through the slow summer seasonality, and ultimately reselling as a subto-of-a-subto to an operator planning a pickleball resort—with private money partners and Gator gap funding.
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/JKX10R
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 9, 2025 • 37min
From Marriage Crisis to Real-Estate Freedom: Lance Riggen’s Co-Living Playbook in East Texas
After a make-or-break season in his marriage, Lance Riggen rebuilt his life—and a $6M real-estate portfolio—by leaning into servant leadership, discipline, and creative finance inside Pace Morby’s Subto/Gator community. In this episode, host Keola Keala unpacks Lance’s path from granite-shop grinder to co-living operator, including the mindset shift sparked by Hal Elrod and the “seven levels of why” framework popularized by Dean Graziosi.
➡️ Split your Pad with the Co-Living Model: http://padsplit.com/pacemorby
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/JKX10R
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 4, 2025 • 25min
Escape Your W2 with Creative Finance: Garrett Caplin’s Journey
In this episode of Get Creative, Justin Tuminowski sits down with Garrett Kaplan, who turned a simple LoopNet search into an 86-unit seller-finance deal and a nearly six-figure payday. Garrett reveals how he left his W-2, built a diverse portfolio of pad splits, Airbnbs, and warehouses, and why persistence pays off in real estate.
➡️ Learn How You Can Escape Your W2 with ONE DEAL: https://subto.sjv.io/qz3nWN
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/JKX10R
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow

Sep 2, 2025 • 34min
How She Got Into Real Estate Without Any of Her Own Money or Previous Experience: Chavely Garcia Journey
In this episode of the Get Creative Podcast, host Jordan Wittenberg talks with Chavely Garcia, a Miami-based professional who went from zero real estate experience to closing her first deal in just weeks—by leveraging the Gator Method.
Chavely’s journey is proof that you don’t need years of experience to break into real estate. She shares:
How reading Rich Dad Poor Dad inspired her to pursue financial freedom
Why joining the Gator community gave her the confidence and connections to take action fast
The behind-the-scenes story of her first $5,000 earnest money lending deal on a Subto transaction in Knoxville
The challenges of coordinating a 16-person deal and the key lessons she learned about communication, timelines, and resourcefulness
How attending Squad Up Summit and joining forces with seasoned investors set her on a path toward bigger opportunities like RV park acquisitions
If you’ve ever wondered how to start in real estate without prior experience, Chavely’s story will inspire you to take action, plug into community, and leverage the Gator Method to create your own success.
➡️ Download the Free SubTo A-Z e-book: https://subto.sjv.io/qzd0Vb
➡️ Get the CRM that will take you further: https://www.gohighlevel.com/pace
➡️ Use Creative Listing for FREE to buy and sell creatively: https://bit.ly/CreativeListing
➡️ Join the SubTo Community: https://subto.sjv.io/RG6EDb
➡️ Become a Top Tier Transaction Coordinator: https://toptiertc.pxf.io/yqmoxW
➡️ Discover the Gator Method: https://gator.sjv.io/JKX10R
➡️ Get to the SquadUp Summit Conference: https://bit.ly/GetToSquadUpSummit
COMMUNITY MEMBERS!
➡️ Get Featured on the Get Creative Podcast: https://bit.ly/GetCreativeGuestForm
Refer a Friend to SubTo: refer.nre.ai/subto
Refer a Friend to TTTC: refer.nre.ai/tttc
Refer a Friend to Gator: refer.nre.ai/gator
PLUG IN & SUBSCRIBE
Creative Real Estate Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/creativefinancewithpacemorby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pacemorby/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PaceMorby
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pacemorby
X: https://x.com/PaceJordanMorby
The Pace Morby Show: https://www.youtube.com/@thepacemorbyshow


