

Curious Minds at Work
Gayle Allen
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
Episodes
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Jan 3, 2022 • 58min
CM 204: Ayelet Fishbach on Achieving Your Goals
Most of us have a love-hate relationship with New Year’s resolutions. We love that feeling of a fresh start. But we hate how our commitments seldom make it to Valentine’s Day.
So what if this year we had an expert teach us how to do it right?
Ayelet Fishbach is that expert. She’s a social psychologist at the University of Chicago and author of the book, Get It Done: Surprising Lessons from the Science of Motivation.
In this interview, we talk about how to choose goals that energize us and how to pair them with incentives that keep us motivated. We also discuss a system for simultaneously working on multiple goals. Finally, we learn about the power of social support and how we can get it.
Episode Links
Immediate Rewards Predict Adherence to Long-term Goals
The Structure of Intrinsic Motivation
You Think Failure is Hard? So Is Learning From It
Slacking in the Middle
Pursuing Goals with Others
Marie Curie and Pierre Curie
Crying in H Mart by Michelle Zauner
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Dec 20, 2021 • 49min
CM 203: Azeem Azhar On Thriving In An Exponential Age
Azeem Azhar, an expert on the impact of technology on society and the economy, discusses the rapid pace of technological change. He contrasts the slow evolution of 20th-century innovations with today's exponential advancements, revealing the growing gap in policies to manage these changes. Azhar highlights the transformation in business models of tech giants and the need for updated regulations. He also emphasizes the importance of interdisciplinary thinking to tackle complex societal challenges and encourages active participation in navigating this evolving landscape.

Dec 6, 2021 • 41min
CM 202: Anne Helen Petersen on the Peril and Promise of Working from Home
Just a few years ago, the possibility of working from anywhere made us wistful. With family and friends, we’d play the “what if” game: What if we could work from home? What if we could live somewhere warmer? What if we could move to another country?
When the pandemic hit and remote work made “what if” possible, some responded, “why not?” And that’s when things got complicated.
Now we’re faced with a different set of questions; Why should we ever return to the office? When we’re not in the office, how do we make friends? How do we create an equitable work experience for remote employees?
These are the kinds of questions Anne Helen Petersen and I talk about in this interview. Anne came on the show once before to discuss her book, Can’t Even, about burnout and the millennial generation. I invited her back on to discuss her latest book, Out of Office: The Big Problem and Bigger Promise of Working from Home.
Anne and her co-author, Charlie Warzel argue that, when it comes to what work can look like, we’re living in a time where the answers we arrive at have never been more important. We have an opportunity to make work better.
Episode Links
Culture Study on Substack by Anne Helen Petersen
Galaxy Brain on Substack by Charlie Warzel
The Remote Work Revolution Hasn't Happened Yet
How to Care Less about Work
The Surprising Science of Meetings by Steven Rogelberg
Beginner's Mind by Yo-Yo Ma
Beyond Collaboration Overload by Rob Cross
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Nov 22, 2021 • 40min
CM 201: Rob Cross on Collaboration Overload
There are countless benefits to collaboration. We get new ideas. Solve problems more quickly. Produce higher quality work.
But too much of anything can turn toxic. And it doesn’t have to be that way.
Rob Cross, Professor of Global Leadership at Babson College, has spent time with hundreds of leaders who’ve figured out how to collaborate more effectively. What he learned led to him develop a framework to help others do the same. It’s a combination of guardrails and behaviors, all of which lead to more strategic and satisfying collaborations. And Rob shares these insights in his book, Beyond Collaboration Overload: How to Work Smarter, Get Ahead, and Restore Your Well-Being.
Episode Links
When Collaboration Fails and How to Fix It
Collaboration Overload is Sinking Productivity
The Secret to Building Resilience
Invisible Network Drivers of Women's Success
Impact and Effort Matrix
Do You Have a Life Outside of Work?
The People Who Make Organizations Go - Or Stop
Don't Let Micro-Stresses Burn You Out
Multipliers and Impact Players by Liz Wiseman
The 1619 Project by Nikole Hannah-Jones
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Nov 8, 2021 • 52min
CM 200: Jay Van Bavel on Our Changing Identities
We like to think of our identities as singular and stable: I’m an early riser (and will always be), or I’m a foodie (and can’t imagine otherwise).
But if we take a step back, we see how we not only hold multiple identities, but how many of these identities change over the course of our lives.
Remember when you were a student? Or a time when you were single?
While there are some identities we can’t change, like our race or birthplace, there are many that we can. It’s the difference between fixating on “who I am now” and, instead, focusing on “who I want to be.” And that simple shift in mindset can make all the difference when it comes to living a happier, more meaningful life.
That’s what makes The Power of Us such an important book, and it’s why I wanted to talk to one of the book’s authors, NYU Professor, Jay Van Bavel. He and his co-author, Lehigh University Professor, Dominic Packer, share helpful ways to navigate the tremendous upsides and challenging downsides of our shared identities.
Episode Links
Dassler Brothers Feud
Social Identity Theory
Henri Tajfel
1951 Princeton-Dartmouth Football Game and Group Perception
Yael Granot
Leon Festinger
Charismatic Leadership and Corporate Cultism at Enron
Jay Van Bavel NYU Social Identity Lab
https://www.powerofus.online/
Psychological Safety and Learning Behavior in Work Teams by Amy Edmondson
Extraterrestrial by Avi Loeb
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Oct 25, 2021 • 33min
CM 199: Michael Rousell on the Power of Surprise
How to change someone’s mind. It’s a topic that’s come up a few times before on the podcast. For example, I talked to Jonah Berger about how to make inroads by asking for less. I also spoke with Tali Sharot about how to get further by focusing first on what you have in common.
Yet there’s one tip that’s never made the list. And it’s one that’s proven to have an incredible impact. In fact, we’ve seen some of our most compelling entertainers regularly use it to their advantage, performers like comedians, magicians, and script writers.
It’s the element of surprise.
Michael Rousell writes about it in his book, The Power of Surprise: How Your Brain Secretly Changes Your Beliefs. Teacher, psychologist, and professor emeritus at Southern Oregon University, Michael has studied the topic of surprise for over three decades, and he’s tested it with his students. He makes a compelling case for why we should use it more than we do and provides clear instructions on how we can.
Episode Links
Seven and a Half Lessons about the Brain by Lisa Feldman Barrett
Sam Harris and Making Belief
Confirmation bias
Wolfram Schultz and dopamine
Elaboration Likelihood Model
The Catalyst by Jonah Berger
Michael Rousell TEDxSalem
Science of Storytelling: Why Stories Make Us Human and How to Tell Them Better by Will Storr
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Oct 11, 2021 • 48min
CM 198: Eric Johnson on the Science of Decision-Making
We like to think we’re in complete control of the decisions we make. From the sandwich we ordered for lunch to the Netflix show we watched last night. Yet, in each case, we’ve got a hidden partner, one that influences nearly every decision we make.
That partner is the designer.
Whether we’re reading a restaurant menu or scrolling a website, we’re taking in information that’s been presented to us in a certain way. These conscious – or unconscious – choices that designers make can influence what we decide. In many cases, though, it’s an aspect of decision making we don’t think too much about.
It’s this element of decision science that Eric Johnson, Professor at Columbia Business School, has spent his life studying. It’s the focus of his book, The Elements of Choice: Why the Way We Decide Matters, and it is truly fascinating. In fact, I bet you’ll walk away from this interview with at least one insight that gets you thinking about design and decision making.
Episode Links
The Decision Lab
Sleights of Mind
Choice Architecture
Coffee Meets Bagel
Derren Brown
Naomi Mandel
Query Theory
Curse of Choice
Experimentation Works by Stefan Thomke
Medicine. Do Defaults Save Lives?
Endowment Effect
Replication Crisis
Meta-analysis
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Sep 27, 2021 • 47min
CM 197: Stefan Thomke on How to Run Game-Changing Experiments
What do you think makes companies like Amazon or Google so innovative? With Amazon you might say their relentless focus on the customer. With Google, you might point to their powerful search engine or cloud computing.
What you might not think about is just how important experiments are to their success. Not just a few experiments, but tens of thousands run annually so they can improve on what they do.
And experiments aren’t just for tech companies with lots of data. Running thoughtful experiments can yield innovative results for all kinds of companies, big and small, startup to established, across all kinds of industries. It’s how we think about them – how we design them – that matters. And that’s where science and creativity come in.
Stefan Thomke, an innovation expert and Professor at Harvard Business School, is someone who’s spent his career helping companies design and run business experiments. He writes about what he’s learned in his book, Experimentation Works: The Surprising Power of Business Experiments. It’s not only a riveting analysis of what it looks like to be an experimentation organization. It's a playbook for building one.
Episode Links
Building a Culture of Experimentation
The Surprising Power of Online Experiments
Creating the Experimentation Organization
The Netflix Data War
The Discipline of Business Experimentation
A Smarter Way to Run Business Experiments
At Booking.com, Innovation Means Constant Failure
Jeff Bezos on Innovation
Richard Feynman on the Scientific Method (1964)
Novum Organum by Francis Bacon
The Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel
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Sep 13, 2021 • 50min
CM 196: Kat Vellos on Mastering Friendship
I’ve spent a lot of time talking to guests about our relationships at work. For example, we’ve discussed how to listen better, how to navigate conflict, and how to influence others, just to name a few.
What I’ve spent less time talking about are the relationships that go beyond work. That’s why I invited Kat Vellos on the show this week to talk about her amazing book, We Should Get Together: The Secret to Cultivating Better Friendships.
Kat’s book is more than a callout to the power of friendship. It’s a roadmap for making new friends, and, equally valuable, it’s an owner’s manual for deepening existing friendships.
Episode Links
How Many Hours Does It Take to Make a Friend by Jeffrey A. Hall
Better Than Small Talk
The Art of Gathering by Priya Parker
Donald Horton and Richard Wohl and Para-Social Communication
Loneliness and Social Connections
Choke by Sian Beilock
Non-Violent Communication: A Language of Life by Marshall Rosenberg
Kat Vellos TED Talk
Happy City by Charles Montgomery
Having and Being Had by Eula Biss
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Aug 30, 2021 • 54min
CM 195: Vanessa Bohns on How We Influence Others
One of the messages our culture delivers is “not enough.” Not clever enough. Not busy enough. Not successful enough. It’s a cultural mantra that beats just below the surface of many conversations, especially the ones we have with ourselves.
That’s what’s so refreshing about Vanessa Bohns’ book, You Have More Influence Than You Think: How We Underestimate our Power of Persuasion and Why It Matters. Vanessa’s message, when it comes to influence and persuasion, is that we’re more than enough. That’s why it’s so important we understand how they work because, like our favorite superheroes, we can use these powers for good or for evil.
Vanessa is a professor of organizational behavior at Cornell University. Her writing has appeared in the New York Times and Harvard Business Review, among other publications.
Episode Links
Erica Boothby and The Invisibility Cloak Illusion
Thomas Gilovich and The Spotlight Effect
Shared Experiences are Amplified
Audience-tuning Effects on Memory
Saying is Believing Effect
Social Media and the Invisible Audience
The Benefits of Asking for Help
Frank Flynn
A Face-to-Face Request is 34 Times More Successful Than An Email
Marianne LaFrance
Mary Carskadon and Brown University Sleep Lab
Prison Book Program
Adam Galinsky and Power Perspectives Not Taken
The Burden of Power: Construing Power as Responsibility
Chatter by Ethan Kross
Mindwise by Nicholas Epley
Kurt Lewin
To Reduce Sexual Misconduct, Help People Understand How Their Advances Might Be Perceived
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