

The Financial Independence Show
Cody Berman and Justin Taylor
Cody Berman and Justin Taylor believe in the concept of “Financial Independence For All”. The Financial Independence Show focuses on REAL stories of individuals on their journey to financial independence. Each episode aims to include actionable insights and takeaways for listeners to implement into their own financial situation. The podcast covers topics like building wealth, entrepreneurship, investing, money mindset, small business, frugality, geoarbitrage, side hustles, real estate, productivity, travel, and so much more. Sit back, tune in, and join a community of like-minded people who are changing their lives through financial independence.
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Dec 22, 2020 • 48min
Selling Everything and Moving to Panama | Jim White
Today’s episode features Jim White from Route to Retire.
We’re continuing our series on geoarbitrage which is the act of purposefully moving to a location for monetary benefits such as lower cost of living or tax treatment.
Jim and his family utilized a traditional corporate job to amass a nest egg large enough to retire in his early 40s. They were conservative enough to save for a life in the U.S. but wanted to find a lower price point abroad.
Jim poured over the research and took a successful test run to Panama. The rest is history and Jim and his family now live there full time. They live a vacation life on an ordinary budget.
Take a listen and consider where you’d move if you had the freedom.
Links From the Episode
Follow along with Jim’s Net-worth
Roth IRA conversion calculator
Cost of living in Panama
Investment drawdown plan
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Dec 15, 2020 • 45min
Living in Taiwan and Slow Traveling The World | Mr. Nomad Numbers
Today’s episode features Mr. Nomad Numbers from Nomad Numbers.
This begins our series on Geo-arbitrage which is the act of purposefully moving to a location for monetary benefits such as lower cost of living or tax treatment.
Mr. &. Mrs. Nomad numbers were living in California and realized they could jump ship and retire. They chose to move to Taiwan where they could obtain a 3yr gold-card which would allow them to live there full time.
Mr. NN also gives us the breakdown of how Taiwan has battled Covid-19 so effectively and what it was like going through that process.
We’re excited to bring you some guests who took their freedom to the next level and moved abroad. Take a listen and consider where you’d move if you had the freedom.
Links From the Episode
Taiwan Gold Card
https://taiwangoldcard.com/goldcard-holders-faq/at-work/#can-i-just-not-work-at-all
https://www.nomadnumbers.com/taiwan-employment-gold-card-application-guide/
Other Helpful Links
https://www.nomadnumbers.com/cost-of-living-stuck-in-taiwan-during-the-pandemic/
https://www.nomadnumbers.com/slow-travel/
https://www.nomadnumbers.com/design-your-ideal-life/
https://www.nomadnumbers.com/top-tips-save-money-airbnb-guide/
Nomad Numbers Cost of Living Around The World Map
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Oct 21, 2020 • 31min
Healthcare 2020 Roundup | Listener Q&A and Personal Experience
Today’s episode features your two podcast hosts, Justin & Cody.
The cover guest questions on topics like medical bill negotiations, pricing, plan types, coverage when traveling, and more.
They also let listeners in on exactly how they get their coverage now, and for Justin, how he plans to manage this once he no longer has that W-2 job.
This topic is crucial for everyone listening so don’t miss this one.
Links From the Episode
https://uncoveredhc.com/blog/the-top-healthcare-transparency-sites-2019/
https://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes
ehealthinsurance.com
healthcare.gov
https://uncoveredhc.com/blog/how-to-choose-the-best-health-insurance-for-2020/ https://uncoveredhc.com/blog/paying-for-health-insurance/
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Oct 13, 2020 • 48min
Shopping for Healthcare (The Right Way) | Scott Heiser
Today’s episode features the healthcare expert Scott Heiser who authored Healthcare is Making Me Sick.
Scott is leading the charge on making healthcare understandable for all.
He covers how new transparency data tools are empowering us as healthcare consumers and how best to handle your medical bills.
This topic is crucial for everyone listening so don’t miss this one.
Summary
Scott shares transparency data tools and how they’re changing healthcare shopping
Medical tourism is possible even within the United States
You haggle for a used car, why not the payment on a knee replacement?
Are non-profit hospitals raking in cash?
And much more
Reach out to Scott
Book: Healthcare is Making Me Sick
Website: UncoveredHC.com
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Oct 6, 2020 • 53min
Healthcare in the FI Community | Lynn Frair & Jackie Cummings Koski
Today’s episode features the healthcare option experts Lynn Frair and Jackie Cummings Koski.
Lynn is crowdsourcing all the best health care options for the FI community and Jackie is a certified Health Savings Account (HSA) expert!
Open enrollment is just around the corner and we’re bringing you the knowledge you need to decide.
This topic is crucial for everyone listening so don’t miss this one.
Links and Resources
Comparing High Deductible Plans with a Health Savings Account to Traditional plans
Lynn & Jackie recommend this tool -> WexInc HSA vs Traditional Calculator
Really understanding what all you can do with HSAs
Mad Fientist article helps with HSAs too
How Lynn is crowdsourcing healthcare options especially for FIRE / Entrepreneurs
Take a look at FI Healthcare
Reach out to Lynn & Jackie
Lynn Frair
Website: FI Healthcare
Instagram: FI Healtchare
LinkedIn: Lynn Frair
Jackie Cummings Koski
HSA Email: hsaquestion@gmail.com
Website: Money Letter 2
LinkedIn: Jackie Koski
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Sep 29, 2020 • 51min
100 Life Updates and The FI Show Evolution
Today’s episode features your very own hosts Justin from Saving-Sherpa and Cody from Fly to FI.
We just wanted to celebrate our 100th episode!
Both of us give you a rundown on all the big life events that have taken place this year.
Cody bought three investment properties and Justin hit FI at age 30!
There’s so much more so you won’t want to miss this one.
Episode Summary
What You Can Expect To Hear
Justin hits FI
Cody buys 3 properties
Cody goes Vegan
Justin sells his van
Justin moves to Texas
Cody learns lessons from entrepreneurship
We also celebrate accomplishments from those special people in our lives
Experimenting with The FI Show going forward
We want to hear from you!
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Sep 15, 2020 • 53min
From the Ghetto to a Growth Mindset | Jerry Brown
Today’s episode features Jerry Brown from Peerless Money Mentor.
Jerry grew up in a self-described ghetto with no real view of a way out.
We cover his background, how he turned things around, and how he’s built a powerful financial independence network.
You won’t want to miss this inspiring story!
Listen, learn, and let us know what you think about this awesome episode.
Episode Summary
Jerry’s Background
Jerry didn’t really know he was poor growing up
But he lived in a crime-filled neighborhood with few outside role models
His mom also needed assistance to get by
He talks about how people were surprised he’d even admit that he was from the area he lived in
Growing up he thought basketball or rapping would be the only possible way to escape
His mom did put a big emphasis on learning but financial independence never seemed reasonable
Can you Bootstrap Past Disadvantages?
Jerry sees it as a mixed bag
He does put a lot of weight into hard work
But he also acknowledges the real disadvantages
He was also cognizant enough to understand his family was a big advantage
Jerry’s Financial Mistakes
Jerry was young and healthy so he thought he didn’t need insurance
A large dental procedure led him to serious credit card debt
Then he started buying more things on credit
Eventually, Jerry would buy a $22k car while only earning $22k per year
Financial Wake Up Call
He came home and his fiance had her bags packed
Jerry realized he couldn’t afford to live by himself
So he thought he’d just live out of his car to avoid the embarrassment of moving home
Jerry was also carrying debt with 25% interest rates
He was making payments but was never actually making progress
A friend recommended he refinance through a personal loan
This lowered his debt all the way down to 5%
For his remaining credit card bills, he did a balance transfer
That gave him 0% rate for 18 months
Jerry’s Side Hustle Journey
He tried Swagbucks but the payout was terrible
Then he tried Uber but it was taking a toll on his car
Jerry also tried We Go Look where you send in pictures of damaged vehicles for insurance claims.
Now he is getting more into freelance writing and social media management
Jerry also highly recommends Beta Testing.
Networking
This was a really powerful part of Jerry’s story
Networking expanded his world view
It also tangibly impacted him
From ideas on debt payment or side hustles like freelance writing
Jerry really highlights the importance to surround yourself with people you can draw knowledge and encouragement from
Key Takeaways
Artificial Limits: One thing that really stuck out was the disadvantage that people experience simply by having low expectations set for them and surrounding them.
Mental Health: We loved that Jerry was open about his mental health journey and his encouragement to others to also take it seriously.
Call to Action
Expand your network! One easy way is to just join our Facebook group page. Other options are LinkedIn, MeetUp, or other Facebook group pages.
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Jerry’s Information
Website: Peerless Money Mentor
Twitter: @PeerlessMoney
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Sep 1, 2020 • 1h 7min
Learning How to Stack Benjamins | Joe Saul-Sehy
Today’s episode features Joe Saul-Sehy from Stacking Benjamins.
Before creating a massively popular podcast, Joe made a lot of money mistakes.
This all came to a clash when he was working as a financial advisor, owned his own business, and still could barely get the money to get home.
Now Joe is bringing finances into so many homes via a unique comedic angle.
Listen, learn, and let us know what you think about this awesome episode!
Episode Summary
Joe’s Background
Joe was in high school and remembers seeing news specials on money-saving tips
He also got inspired by the movie Wall Street
But it took Joe a long time to actually put it into practice
His parents pushed him to work hard but money was taboo
Making Money Missteps
On his first day at college, Joe spots a long line at an American Express Credit Card table
He talks about blowing money at the mall and fancy meals at Ruby Tuesday for his friends
Then things get real when he gets a bill and his parents refuse to help him
His credit was destroyed and the interest started building
Even in his professional life, he thought he had an earning issue, not a spending issue
But we know from famous athletes that a spending problem will always overcome earnings
Joe started earning more money with his own business but kept racking up debt
Keep in mind, his business was as a financial advisor
The breaking moment is when he has no money or credit to buy gas to get home
Joe had to dig for change in his seats just to get home
Turning Things Around
Joe realized he needed to “hide money” from himself
This meant automating money to go into separate accounts that he didn’t see
He also realized that he couldn’t go cold turkey
Joe gave himself an allowance so he could buy some of those entertainment items
He said it’s important to not be too restrictive or else you’ll relapse
Entrepreneurial Journey
Joe says he’s a bad employee
He would always clash with a boss
Joe admits he also wasn’t a great boss at first
He might hire people too much like him
Or spout off ideas through the day not thinking his employees would take that as direction
Starting Stacking Benjamins
Joe sold his business at age 40
This was inspired by a colleague who walked away because it wasn’t fulfilling
That person, Chris, stepped away to go climb mountains across the world
Chris would then go on to start an adventure travel company
Inspired by this, Joe decides to go back to school to become a teacher/coach
He realized quickly that it wasn’t for him
So Joe starts dabbling in a blog and creates the Stacking Benjamins podcast
He wanted to take the unique angle of comedy
They took it really seriously and even would attend comedy classes
Pulling From Others
Joe recommends the book by Austin Kleon – Think like an artist
He really recommends people look at others in their industry and pull all the best parts
It was actually a car podcast that was hilarious to him that inspired the Stacking Benjamin theme
Joe says he actually wants a finance show where no one learns a thing about money
In reality, people learn a lot but it doesn’t feel like a class
He would go on to pull from a board game podcast, car podcast, and even a little kids podcast
Key Takeaways
Imposter Syndrome: Joe was a financial advisor but still struggled to follow his own advice. We all need help on this journey.
Let Others Inspire You: Don’t feel guilty about taking takes from others as long as it isn’t inspiration.
Call to Action
Change, assess, repeat. Start to source ideas from others and try them out. Don’t just be stagnant!
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Joe’s Information
Website / Podcast: Stacking Benjamins
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Aug 25, 2020 • 47min
Fueling Your Body for Maximum Performance | Erica Ballard
Today’s episode features Erica Ballard from Erica Ballard Health.
At first, Erica struggled with her self image and finding out what “healthy” really meant.
Through experimentation and education, she unlocked how to really help others achieve their peak health.
Now she’s helping others and educating the world on what real health is.
Listen, learn, and let us know what you think about this awesome episode!
Episode Summary
Erica’s Background
Erica thought looking good was the key to her happiness
She also thought she was doing fitness and health the right way
Erica was actually working at a non-profit promoting healthcare and wellness
Unfortunately, this non-profit wasn’t promoting the best practices
Eventually, she came to the realization that wellness isn’t one size fits all
It took her a while to find what worked for her
Creating an Experiment Mindset
The program that Erica went through pushed you to challenge your wellness beliefs
It would convince you to be vegan and then highlight the benefits of meats
Eventually, you start to see what makes real sense to you and not just following a narrative
Then we discuss problems with the food pyramid and breakfast being the most important meal of the day
To find what works for you she promotes experimenting
Introduce one new piece to your wellness journey at a time and keep what works for you
Crowding In vs Eliminating
Erica promotes that you bring in the things that you want instead of focusing on the cut
Add in more grains and more water, the things you’re cutting out will eliminate itself
Challenge yourself on the things you are hanging onto that are keeping you from wellness goals
How are those bad habits serving you?
Then Erica drops all kind of knowledge on us around sugar
Healthy People Perform
We discuss how health and wellness goes beyond life expectancy
It also impacts your job performance and thus your profit margins
Entrepreneurs love to boast about performing on four hours of sleep
That’s impressive
But imagine how well they’d perform on eight hours of sleep!
Turn your good (which might be great for everyone else) into your great
The All-Important Sleep
Don’t eat close to sleeping (2-3 hours between food and sleep)
Get off the phone before bedtime
Don’t drink caffeine after 2 pm
Sleep is the first thing Erica recommends you to work on for wellness
We need 7-8 hours per night!
Performing on four hours of sleep isn’t interesting or impressive
Key Takeaways
One size fits one: Erica highlights over and over just how personal that fitness and wellness are, experiment!
Good Intentions: Even though Erica was working at a non-profit promoting health, she was still unknowingly a part of the problem
Call to Action
Experiment with your own health and wellness journey. Pick one thing this week to add. Whether it’s exercise, water, or greens, just add one thing. If you see an improvement, keep it, and add another.
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Erica’s Information
Website: Erica Ballard Health
Instagram: @EricaBallardHealth
Podcast: The Lies We’ve Been Fed
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Aug 18, 2020 • 51min
Leaving Corporate America and Managing Your Own Business | Terrie Chantel
Today’s episode features Terrie Chantel from TerrieChantel.com.
Terrie is a successful speaker and business coach.
She teaches teach business owners how to monetize their skills, uplevel their personal brand, create profitable offers, and convert followers into buyers.
Being an entrepreneur wasn’t always comfortable for Terrie.
Check out how that changed for her and how she’s helping others do the same.
Listen, learn, and let us know what you think about this awesome episode!
Episode Summary
Terrie’s Background
Terrie graduated high school at age 16 and college at age 20
Both of her parents were “workaholics”
This made Terrie believe that “amount of work = financial benefit”
At 17, her uncle wanted her to co-sign on a car to build her credit
That gesture changed her life
At age 22 she went on to buy a house and really understood money
Passing Down Money Lessons
Terrie has three boys, ages 10, 15, 17
Her #1 tool she uses is to “paint a millionaire vision in their mind”
This is the act of making wealth achievable in their mind
She also gets them to use her debit card to pay bills online
Just getting them involved in finances and eliminating the taboo
Now her 17-year-old is already an entrepreneur
Bondage vs Freedom
Her uncle was like her dad and went towards the plan he set out
She graduates college and goes directly into corporate
Terrie stayed there for 10 years
5 years into that career, she started moving into management
The pressure was increasing, work was coming home, and the money didn’t seem worth it
That’s not what she envisioned
It felt more like bondage than freedom
Seeing a New Way
She didn’t have other peers she could turn to who felt this way
Terrie was always the girl, the youngest, and often the only black person
Being surrounded by all these 6-figure earners, Terrie saw how high earners spent money
But everyone worked themselves to death and just watched their vacation pile up
Simply put, Terrie had no idea there was another option
So Terrie started her own side-hustle
Through this, she begins to meet other entrepreneurs
Then she did realize there was another way
Can’t Let Go of Stability
Terrie gets laid off around the holidays and gets pregnant with her second child
So she really starts taking her side hustle serious
In her first month, she had 100 clients through a lot of hustle
She would even set quotas for handing out business cards
But even with all that success, she still went back to corporate work
It just felt too secure
Terrie did keep the business going by hiring and training someone
She admits not everyone is driven to be an entrepreneur
But if you have that passion, you have to follow it
Tips for Starting that New Business
She says some people jump to marketing too fast
To help others you need to be financially stable yourself
She focused mainly on customer service and building a solid product
Once those frameworks are set, then you can focus on other things like marketing
If you can’t consistently hit the number you need for bills, that’s a bad sign
This means it’s time to take a pause and look at your processes
She likes to look at it in three-month chunks
Terrie says you should be seeing a consistent profitability to know your frameworks are set
Valuing Yourself
Then we talk about valuing yourself
This includes charging a premium for your services
Stop focusing on yourself and think about the client
Think about how you’re going to change their life
Then you’ll see just how much you’re really worth
Key Takeaways
Security is addicting: Terrie had trouble walking away from her normal W-2 job. It’s a valid feeling!
Don’t Jump To Marketing: Solidify your product offering and take care of your clients, let marketing come later.
Call to Action
Get creative with that work ethic. Terrie showed how far she was willing to go to get her business off the ground. That type of effort makes a difference as an entrepreneur or at your W-2.
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Terrie’s Information
Website: TerrieChantel.com
Instagram: @TerrieChantel
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