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Send us a textThis episode of the Customer Success Playbook welcomes Cairo Marsh, Founder and Executive Partner of Relative, for a thought-provoking conversation on empathy-led marketing. Cairo shares his top tip for organizations seeking to harness empathy as a competitive advantage: focus on value at every touchpoint. From Patagonia's purpose-driven branding to the basics of transactional incentives, Cairo offers real-world examples of brands that resonate by placing customer needs front and center. It's not just marketing—it's relationship building at scale.Detailed Analysis: In this crisp yet powerful episode, Cairo Marsh challenges traditional marketing mindsets by reframing empathy as a strategic asset rather than a soft skill. He lays out a pragmatic approach to empathetic marketing that begins with a deceptively simple question: "What does your audience need right now?" It's not about gimmicks or grand gestures but about delivering meaningful value at every interaction.Using brands like Patagonia as a compass, Cairo underscores how value can transcend the transactional. Patagonia's commitment to sustainability offers customers purpose beyond product—a model for values-driven engagement that earns loyalty. On the flip side, Cairo doesn’t shy away from acknowledging that even simple sweepstakes or incentives can serve as valid forms of value, as long as they're designed with the customer's benefit in mind.The conversation also touches on the psychological shift needed within companies. Empathy isn't a campaign—it's a culture. And it begins with a genuine interest in your customer’s world. Cairo likens this to personal relationships, where curiosity and attentiveness build trust. Businesses should behave less like sociopaths (his words, not ours) and more like thoughtful partners.Whether you're building a brand or fine-tuning your customer journey, this episode is a potent reminder: empathy scales. It informs marketing, strengthens loyalty, and enhances every element of the customer success playbook.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn the final episode of this powerful three-part series, the Customer Success Playbook Podcast welcomes back Shep Hyken for a forward-looking discussion on AI's role in customer experience. From customer trust and chatbot misfires to the fear of messing up (FOMU), Shep breaks down the opportunities and pitfalls of artificial intelligence in service.Detailed Analysis: Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon wrap up the Shep Hyken trilogy with a candid conversation on how AI is both transforming and challenging the customer service landscape. While 68% of customers still prefer phone support, Shep’s latest research reveals a promising shift: 50% of consumers have successfully resolved issues with AI-driven support. But there's a catch—another 50% report being misled by AI.That duality sets the stage for Shep’s deeper message: AI must offer convenience without creating confusion. The brands that win will be those who design seamless handoffs to humans when bots fall short, and those who tailor support channels based on customer demographics. Shep emphasizes that CX isn't about chasing tech trends—it's about knowing your customer and building trust at every touchpoint.He introduces a key fear hindering AI adoption: not FOMO (fear of missing out), but FOMU—fear of messing up. Many organizations hesitate to modernize due to sunk costs in legacy tech or risk aversion among leadership. But as Shep points out, the true risk is falling behind the expectations set by the best experiences customers have had—regardless of industry.As a bonus, Shep shares where to find his expansive research, including his 2025 State of Customer Service and CX report, freely available at https://hyken.com/research/.This episode is essential for any business leader looking to leverage AI wisely and responsibly in the age of customer experience.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this value-packed episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, Shep Hyken returns for Part 2 of our three-part series to address the billion-dollar question: How do companies balance price sensitivity with the growing demand for exceptional customer experiences? From mentalism to magic moments, Shep draws surprising parallels between sleight-of-hand and customer loyalty while unpacking game-changing insights from his CX research.Detailed Analysis: Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon dive deep with customer service guru Shep Hyken, and this time it's all about one powerful word: convenience. Drawing from his acclaimed book The Convenience Revolution and the 2025 State of Customer Service and CX report, Shep lays out how brands can make price less relevant by making the customer experience more effortless. And no, that doesn't mean grand gestures—it means smart, consistent, and friction-free experiences.Key insight? A whopping 59% of consumers are willing to pay more for a better experience, but especially for one that's more convenient. Case in point: Shep shares a brilliant Wall Street Journal case study showing how simplifying subscription forms led to a measurable increase in conversions. The takeaway? Every unnecessary field is a friction point that erodes revenue.Shep also explores how the pandemic accelerated customer expectations for convenience—a trend that is here to stay. He uses real-life examples, including Amazon and even a local car dealership in St. Louis, to prove that making things easy builds loyalty that price alone can't buy.And if you thought this was all business, think again. Shep opens the episode with a personal twist—his love for guitar, magic, and Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead, weaving them seamlessly into his customer service philosophy.Don't miss this episode if you're in customer success, support, or CX leadership. For more context and deeper insights, explore Shep's full CX research at https://hyken.com/research/.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textGet ready for a masterclass in customer service strategy with the legendary Shep Hyken. In this milestone episode of the Customer Success Playbook podcast, Shep breaks down key takeaways from his newly released "2025 State of Customer Service and CX" report. Discover why being merely "fine" won't cut it anymore, how consistency trumps heroics, and the one word that defines customer loyalty.Detailed Analysis: In this lively and enlightening conversation, Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon sit down with renowned speaker and author Shep Hyken to unpack the shifting expectations shaping the future of customer service. Shep's insights challenge the outdated belief that "satisfactory" is good enough. Spoiler alert: it's not. According to his report, 27% of customers say they'll start looking elsewhere if a company only delivers a satisfactory experience. In his words, "Fine is the F-bomb of customer experience."But what does it take to rise above "fine"? Shep doesn’t just point to grand gestures; instead, he emphasizes the power of small, consistent actions. Whether it’s using a customer’s name or always being helpful and approachable, it’s about showing up reliably and slightly exceeding expectations. Shep shares how legendary brands like Ritz-Carlton win not by going over the top, but by being just 10% better than average—consistently. That 3.3 on a 5-point scale? That’s where magic lives.This episode is packed with actionable gems for anyone in customer success, support, or CX leadership. If you're looking to fine-tune your 2025 customer strategy, Shep delivers the roadmap with charm, clarity, and a touch of humor.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn the finale of our three-part series, Matt LeMay takes on the tech world's shiniest object: artificial intelligence. From summarizing meeting notes to influencing million-dollar decisions, AI is here to stay. But Matt warns against using AI as a goal unto itself. Product teams must ground their experimentation in business logic—or risk becoming distractions.Detailed Analysis: Episode 39 brings a timely and pragmatic take on AI in product management. Matt acknowledges AI’s strengths—particularly in summarizing information and idea generation—but urges caution. When AI tools lack source context, they can mislead as easily as they can inform. The key is discernment: understanding when AI adds value and when it distracts.The team unpacks how AI is impacting product roadmaps, budgeting, and even job security. Matt shares war stories of teams told to "do something with AI," only to later realize the result consumed $200K to close a $50K deal. Oops.But this isn't an anti-AI rant. Matt offers frameworks to leverage AI wisely while keeping business impact front and center. If you’re going to play with shiny tools, make sure they’re solving real problems.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn part two, the gloves come off. Kevin and Roman dive into the chaos of defining impact across diverse teams with Matt LeMay. From freemium metrics to ROI confusion, Matt exposes why so many organizations fail to align on what "impact" actually means. This episode is your backstage pass to better collaboration and smarter goal setting.Detailed Analysis: Episode 38 tackles the messy business of misaligned metrics. Matt shares how product teams often assume they understand impact—only to find marketing, customer success, and sales have completely different definitions. The result? Disjointed strategies and missed opportunities.Matt calls for radical alignment: teams should set goals no more than one step removed from company-level objectives. This not only surfaces tension between teams (think lifetime value vs. new users) but creates a dialogue for harmonizing objectives. Collaboration isn't optional; it's the secret weapon.The episode also zooms out, showing that Matt's framework applies far beyond product. Marketing, customer success, even sales can use the same approach to rethink how they measure success. This isn't just a methodology. It's a mindset shift. If your goals live in the middle zone of vagueness, it's time to bridge the gap between strategy and execution.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textWe kick off this powerhouse three-part series with Matt LeMay, author of Impact First Product Teams. In this episode, we challenge the default mindset of "shipping features" and dig into how product teams can align closely with business-level outcomes. Matt lays down his number one tip for product leaders: set goals that are both high impact and high specificity. Prepare to rethink everything you thought you knew about prioritizing work.Detailed Analysis: Episode 37 sets the foundation for what it truly means to run a high-impact product team. Matt LeMay debunks the myth that asking leadership what they expect is the best starting point. Instead, he argues that teams must own the understanding of their value, crafting goals that tie directly to revenue, growth, or customer success metrics. The formula? Set ambitious, specific, and time-bound objectives. But here comes the twist: doing this invites the Eye of Sauron (yes, that Lord of the Rings reference was glorious). High visibility comes with accountability.Matt doesn't just stop at theory. He discusses how real teams can move from doing busy work to delivering business value by asking the right internal questions and being brave enough to commit to uncomfortable levels of accountability. Product leaders, take note: if your team is just shipping features, you may already be obsolete.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIt’s AI Friday on the Customer Success Playbook! In this forward-looking finale of our three-part series with Ken Sandy, we explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping product leadership. From discovery and prototyping to ethical decision-making and team collaboration, AI is not just changing the tools—it's changing the very skills product managers need. Whether you’re a product leader or part of a cross-functional team, this conversation offers a roadmap for navigating the AI evolution without losing your human touch.Detailed Description: In this must-listen conclusion to our three-part series, Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger sit down once again with Ken Sandy, author of The Influential Product Manager, to dissect how AI is revolutionizing the way product managers work.Ken kicks things off with a big-picture perspective: AI's impact will be long-term and transformative, but not immediate or magic. Drawing from past technological revolutions, he explains the familiar hype cycle—from inflated expectations to eventual disruption—and positions AI right in the middle of it.But the real gold is in the practical insights. Ken dives into how AI will affect key aspects of product management:Discovery: Use AI to mine customer support data, user behavior, and feedback at scale, unlocking deeper, faster insights.Prototyping: Rapidly build and iterate concepts using AI-driven tools, allowing for early validation (and quick abandonment of bad ideas).Experimentation: Run more robust, scalable tests that bring clarity to customer behavior and optimize solutions in-market.Ken also delivers a reality check: AI is powerful, but it doesn’t replace collaboration. The partnership between product, design, engineering, and CX is more essential than ever. He warns against operating in silos or outsourcing ethical judgment to machines. AI may hallucinate; your team still needs to lead.Plus, the group tackles the tricky topic of technical debt, the future of documentation, and why empathy remains a product leader’s superpower. This isn’t just a conversation about AI—it’s a compelling call to reimagine how we solve problems together.If you want to lead with AI rather than be led by it, this episode is your launchpad.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKeywords:Artificial IntelligenceProduct ManagementCustomer Success PlaybookStrategic InnovationDiscoveryPrototypingExperimentationCross-functional CollaborationTechnical DebtEmpathy in LeadershipKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this dynamic midweek episode of the Customer Success Playbook, Kevin Metzger and Roman Trebon are back with product leadership veteran Ken Sandy. This time, Ken tackles one of the most pressing challenges in modern product management: how to juggle the urgent demand for quick wins with the strategic need for long-term customer value. He delivers practical frameworks, witty anecdotes, and powerful reframes that will resonate far beyond the product team.Detailed Description: We’ve all felt the squeeze: stakeholders want that feature live yesterday, while customers expect thoughtful innovation. In this energizing conversation, Ken Sandy—author of The Influential Product Manager—returns to the Customer Success Playbook to answer one big question: how can product leaders (and cross-functional teams) balance short-term revenue goals with long-term innovation?Ken starts with a provocative truth: solving meaningful customer problems should inherently deliver business value. If it doesn’t, the strategy might be missing the mark. He then walks through three steps to align customer-centric strategy with day-to-day execution:Elevate customer value metrics to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with revenue goals.Build and own a strategic roadmap that provides clarity and intention beyond reactive requests.Track and communicate resource allocation so trade-off decisions are rooted in data, not drama.What follows is a masterclass in how influence, transparency, and structured thinking can replace the chaos of ad hoc demands. Ken’s insights extend beyond product management. Customer success teams, account managers, and business leaders will find immediately usable tools to help their organizations solve the right problems for the right reasons.Don’t miss this sharp, relatable, and practical playbook for aligning execution with vision—no matter what department you call home.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.

Send us a textIn this episode of the Customer Success Playbook, hosts Roman Trebon and Kevin Metzger sit down with Ken Sandy, author of The Influential Product Manager, to uncover the secret sauce behind leadership without formal authority. Ken draws on 25 years of product leadership to explain why "leading through influence" isn't just a survival skill—it's a superpower. From understanding organizational objectives to aligning cross-functional teams around shared goals, Ken emphasizes that effective leadership is rooted in context, not control.Detailed Description: Product managers often find themselves in high-stakes roles without the luxury of direct authority. So how do they drive outcomes, rally teams, and deliver for customers? According to Ken Sandy, the answer lies in mastering the art of influence. In this episode, Ken challenges the common misconception that authority is essential for leadership and argues that real power comes from shared purpose and contextual clarity.Ken's number one tip? "Context is king." He explains how product managers (and frankly, anyone in a leadership role) can boost their influence by investing deeply in the "why" behind a project—not just the "what" or "how." When teams understand the problem space, customer needs, and desired outcomes, they become partners in problem-solving rather than passive executors of a plan.This conversation isn't just for PMs. Project managers, customer success professionals, and cross-functional leaders of all stripes will find actionable wisdom here. Ken also underscores that influence isn't a nice-to-have skill—it's a must-have capability for anyone navigating complex organizations. And spoiler alert: influence actually makes you more objective, more collaborative, and ultimately more effective.Packed with humor, insight, and practical guidance, this episode delivers a fresh perspective on leadership that breaks the mold. If you're ready to up-level your impact without needing a bigger title, this one's for you.Now you can interact with us directly by leaving a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/CustomerSuccessPlaybookKevin's offeringPlease Like, Comment, Share and Subscribe. You can also find the CS Playbook Podcast:YouTube - @CustomerSuccessPlaybookPodcastTwitter - @CS_PlaybookYou can find Kevin at:Metzgerbusiness.com - Kevin's person web siteKevin Metzger on Linked In.You can find Roman at:Roman Trebon on Linked In.