
Trust vs.
Trust in cybersecurity is an ever-changing journey — hard to gain and easy to lose.
Join us in the meaningful conversations that disrupt conventional thinking about trust in cybersecurity risk management — exploring disruptive technologies and proven approaches that create confidence.
Each episode, we explore the challenges we share with industry experts and insiders, exploring the challenging questions questions about what it means to organizations to constantly improve the state of their security, how to tackle the inherent risks of AI while focusing on business value delivery, how risk transfer factors into a modern cyber risk management strategy, and more. For cybersecurity professionals, business leaders, and the companies that make up the digital delivery system we all share, if you’re facing these questions in your business, Trust vs. is for you.
Brought to you by HITRUST.
Latest episodes

May 23, 2024 • 36min
Rebuilding Trust After The Latest Breach – a Trust vs. special episode
We’re back with a special episode, recording in the midst of the largest breach in the American Healthcare industry. With this event, there has been a lot of concern and loss of trust in the systems that we put in place to keep us and our data secure. So how can we start to rebuild trust and confidence that we can better prepare for these attacks in the future? HITRUST CMO Steve Perkins joins the podcast to interview Trust Vs hosts Robert Booker and Jeremy Huval to unpack everything we have learned so far and why we should be focusing on cybersecurity assurance moving forward. Meet Steve: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-perkins-1604b31/Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/Please consider rating and reviewing Trust vs. if you enjoyed this episode.

Sep 28, 2023 • 31min
Trust vs. AI
In the final episode of Season 1, Jeremy and Robert look into the future of cybersecurity, assurance and compliance. Listen to a collection of this season’s guests about their predictions for the future and how disruptive technologies like AI will shake up the industry. Find out how to maintain trust in this era of technology, and uncover how it might impact you and your business. Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Sep 14, 2023 • 29min
Trust vs. Enterprise Risk
Hosts Jeremy and Robert are joined by George DeCesare, Chief Technology Risk Officer at Kaiser Permanente, to discuss enterprise risk. George has the rare mix of skills of being both a lawyer and a cyber security expert and has also worked with the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. All of this experience makes for a great conversation about managing risk at complex organizations, and how risk management ties into the larger value creation of an organization. Meet George: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jorge-d-decesare-mba-jd-cism-8501694Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Sep 7, 2023 • 33min
Trust vs. Third Parties
In this episode, hosts Jeremy and Robert sit down with Omar Khawaja. Omar is an experienced CISO and cybersecurity professional. He is the Field CISO at Databricks and a HITRUST Board Member. He joins this episode to discuss third-party risk, and how to set the security bar with your vendors. Throughout the episode, Omar stresses the importance of effective communication when it comes to security assessments and reports, and also dives into how to properly assess the risk levels of vendors. Meet Omar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/smallersecurity?Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Aug 25, 2023 • 28min
Trust vs. The Board
How can cyber security leaders effectively communicate with the board? In this episode of Trust vs, hosts Jeremy and Robert are joined by not one, but two guests to help unpack that question. Chris Hetner formerly worked for the SEC and is a leader in cybersecurity who is an expert in raising the visibility of cyber risk to the board. Kevin Charest is board member and CTO at HITRUST who has been on both sides of that question. Their diverse perspectives on communicating with C-level executives create a well-rounded and must listen episode for all cyber security leaders. Meet Chris: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-hetner-7969758Meet Kevin https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevincharestMeet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Aug 3, 2023 • 40min
Trust vs. Breaches
Breaches is a scary word in the cybersecurity world, but one that is top of mind for security leaders. In this episode of Trust vs, Jeremy and Robert chat with Chief Information Security Officer at ASG, John Overbaugh. They discuss strategies for managing breaches, how and how to communicate with the rest of the organization and the public, and what role AI plays in breaches. Prepare for an enlightening conversation that promises to empower and inform!Meet John: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnoverbaughMeet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/Please consider rating and reviewing Trust vs. if you enjoyed this episode.

Jul 20, 2023 • 27min
Trust vs. Cloud
Welcome back to Trust vs! In this episode, join Jeremy and Robert as they interview Gerry Miller, Founder & CEO of Cloudticity. Gerry has 30 years of experience in the industry across a range of companies, and now heads Cloudticity, a cloud management solution for healthcare. They discuss the many benefits of cloud- greater agility, productivity and the ability to experiment, and also how organizations and CISOs can ensure that they have robust systems in place to ensure the cloud is secure. Tune in to discover how the cloud has changed the cyber security landscape, and what's to come in the future. Meet Gerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerrymillerMeet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/Please consider rating and reviewing Trust vs. if you enjoyed this episode.

Jul 6, 2023 • 34min
Trust vs. Perception
In this episode, Jeremy and Robert sit down with Mark Nunnikhoven, Security Principal at AWS. Mark is passionate about cybersecurity awareness and education, which makes him the perfect guest to discuss the topic of perception. Mark provides his expert insight from years of experience as a forensic scientist, speaker and coach. Mark, Jeremy and Robert dive into a great discussion about the importance of fundamental cybersecurity controls, how to communicate cybersecurity needs with people outside the field and most importantly; what is perception and why is it so important? Meet Mark: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/markncaMeet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/Please consider rating and reviewing Trust vs. if you enjoyed this episode.

Jun 22, 2023 • 27min
Trust vs. Compliance
In the inaugural episode of Trust vs., join hosts Jeremy and Robert as they dive into the importance of compliance and it’s relationship with trust, with David Houlding, Director of Global Healthcare Business Strategy at Microsoft. David leads the privacy and compliance initiatives for healthcare and life sciences, and brings three decades of experience in the space to the table. They discuss the vital role of compliance when serving healthcare partners, the role and importance of compliance regulations, and the effect that the cloud has. Meet David: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidhouldingMeet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/Please consider rating and reviewing Trust vs. if you enjoyed this episode.

Apr 13, 2023 • 2min
Introducing: Trust vs.
Trust is hard to gain and easy to lose. It is essential for businesses to build and safeguard trust. Each episode, we’ll hear interviews with industry experts and insiders, asking the tough questions that professionals, leaders, legislators, and suppliers face. Whether you're a cybersecurity professional, a business leader, or a supplier, Trust vs. is the place your questions will be explored. Brought to you by HITRUST Alliance, Trust vs. explores the critical importance of trust in and will help you navigate the ever-changing landscape of digital and cyber security.