

Trust vs.
HITRUST Alliance
Trust in cybersecurity is an ever-changing journey — hard to gain and easy to lose.
Join us in the meaningful conversations that disrupt conventional thinking about trust in cybersecurity risk management — exploring disruptive technologies and proven approaches that create confidence.
Each episode, we explore the challenges we share with industry experts and insiders, exploring the challenging questions questions about what it means to organizations to constantly improve the state of their security, how to tackle the inherent risks of AI while focusing on business value delivery, how risk transfer factors into a modern cyber risk management strategy, and more. For cybersecurity professionals, business leaders, and the companies that make up the digital delivery system we all share, if you’re facing these questions in your business, Trust vs. is for you.
Brought to you by HITRUST.
Join us in the meaningful conversations that disrupt conventional thinking about trust in cybersecurity risk management — exploring disruptive technologies and proven approaches that create confidence.
Each episode, we explore the challenges we share with industry experts and insiders, exploring the challenging questions questions about what it means to organizations to constantly improve the state of their security, how to tackle the inherent risks of AI while focusing on business value delivery, how risk transfer factors into a modern cyber risk management strategy, and more. For cybersecurity professionals, business leaders, and the companies that make up the digital delivery system we all share, if you’re facing these questions in your business, Trust vs. is for you.
Brought to you by HITRUST.
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Aug 14, 2025 • 47min
AI, TPRM & the Chaos in Between
Is your third-party risk management process ready for the age of AI? In this episode of Trust vs., Jeremy, Robert, and Ryan sit down with industry leader Laz to unravel the complex (and often chaotic) intersection of artificial intelligence and third-party risk. They explore how AI is amplifying both risk and opportunity in vendor governance, what organizations get wrong about ownership and collaboration, and how to move from reactive defense to strategic offense. Packed with practical insights and bold commentary, this episode challenges listeners to rethink how they're managing risk in a world where AI is already deeply embedded- whether they know it or not.Meet Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-patrick-3699117a/Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/Meet Laz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamlaz/

Jul 31, 2025 • 43min
HIPAA Healthcare: Then, Now and Future
Kicking off Season 3 of Trust vs. with a bang, the team dives straight into one of the most pressing changes on the horizon for healthcare cybersecurity: the proposed updates to HIPAA. Hosts Jeremy Huval, Robert Booker, and new regular voice Ryan Patrick explore what the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) really means for covered entities and business associates. Is this HIPAA 2.0, or just long-overdue regulatory catch-up? The trio unpacks the implications of outdated safeguards, AI blind spots, and the broader need for industry-government collaboration to strengthen trust and assurance in the healthcare ecosystem.Meet Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-patrick-3699117a/Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Jul 17, 2025 • 1min
Trust Vs: Season 3
Cyber threats are evolving fast and compliance alone isn’t enough. This season on Trust vs., HITRUST’s Robert Booker, Jeremy Huval, Ryan Patrick to explore how to build true cyber resilience in a world transformed by AI, rising vendor risk, and outdated frameworks. It’s time to go beyond checkboxes and build trust that lasts.

Oct 31, 2024 • 42min
Fostering the next generation of cybersecurity leaders
In today’s world, the demand for skilled cybersecurity professionals has never been greater, yet the gap between that demand and the available talent continues to grow. In this episode, we sit down with M.K. Palmore, an advisor, cybersecurity leader, and host of The Leadership Student podcast, to explore innovative ways to close this gap. M.K. shares insights on attracting new talent to the field, making cybersecurity careers more accessible, and preparing the next generation for the complexities of defending digital frontlines.Meet MK:https://www.linkedin.com/in/mkpalmore/The Leadership Student Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-leadership-student-podcast/id1685389339Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Oct 17, 2024 • 45min
The Trust Partnership with the Board - Closing the Loop through Accountability and Engagement
If we want to excel in working with our boards, communication is key, and no one understands this better than Mike Connly. As the former CTO at United Health Group and an experienced board member himself, Mike is sharing his top strategies for setting clear goals, reviewing progress, and ensuring accountability in the boardroom. He highlights the importance of grasping vulnerabilities, measuring program effectiveness, and creating supportive environments for cybersecurity teams and boards to thrive. Meet Mike: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-connly-26b21410/Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Oct 3, 2024 • 53min
AI Our Shared Responsibility
In the rapidly evolving world of artificial intelligence, grasping the layers of responsibility is essential for effectively implementing these technologies. In this episode, Richard Diver, a Solutions Architecture specialist for cloud security, author of Guardians of AI, and Senior Manager of Story Design at Microsoft, delves into the framework for AI responsibility. He emphasizes that while AI presents new solutions, many underlying challenges remain constant and shares that not all AI models are created equal. Breaking down the structure into three key layers (the AI platform, the application, and the usage layer) Richard underscores the importance of accountability at each level and breaks down the nuances of model selection.Meet Richard Diver: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rdiver/Read Guardians of AI: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D2TRVK33?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_QHZZHT4CEEDAQQTFGSR2&skipTwisterOG=2Richard’s Newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/7065381482126577664/Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Sep 19, 2024 • 43min
AI’s Biggest Threat is People
In this episode, we sit down with FC Freaky Clown, an ethical hacker and author of How to Rob Banks, to explore the evolving role of AI in cybersecurity. FC, known for his unique blend of physical and digital hacking skills, discusses how AI is transforming social engineering tactics and its impact on both attackers and defenders. He shares insights from his experience at Defcon and BlackHat, emphasizing that while AI enhances tools for both good and ill, it remains a force multiplier rather than a replacement for human skills. Tune in to learn about AI's role in modern attacks, its limitations, and the importance of a multi-layered security approach.Meet FC:https://www.linkedin.com/in/freakyclown/Read How To Rob Banks: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/78294430-how-i-rob-banksCygenta: https://www.cygenta.co.ukMeet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Sep 5, 2024 • 50min
The AI Conundrum: Security Standards in a World of Innovation
Rob van der Veer, an AI, security, and privacy expert with a rich history in AI startups, discusses the pressing need for robust AI security standards. He highlights the rapid evolution of AI and its associated risks, emphasizing the balance between innovation and regulation. Rob addresses the importance of collaboration among organizations to establish effective security frameworks and standards, while also tackling issues like discrimination bias within AI systems. His insights shed light on the critical role of transparency and explainability in fostering trust in AI.

Aug 22, 2024 • 36min
Cybersecurity Is Strategy- Not Just Settings And Systems
In this episode, Jason Clark, Chief Strategy Officer at Cyera shares insights on the evolving challenges of cybersecurity for organizations of all sizes. He breaks down the essentials of building a strong security strategy, emphasizing the importance of truly understanding your data and aligning cybersecurity efforts with your business goals. Whether you're a startup or an established company, this conversation offers practical advice on protecting your assets and staying ahead of threats in today's ever-changing digital landscape.Meet Jason: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonclarkfl/CYERA: https://www.cyera.io/Meet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/

Aug 8, 2024 • 47min
The Ransomware Battle on the Cyber Frontier
Jeremy and Robert sit down with Ransomware Sommelier Allan Liska to unravel the complex world of Ransomware, the criminals that engage in this activity, and the growing risk of new forms of extortion. Allan, with over 20 years in the field, delves into the mindset of ransomware actors, crucial monitoring strategies, and the battle taking place on the cyber frontier. He reveals why paying ransoms is not just a financial decision but a catalyst for further attacks on all companies, and how both small organizations and large corporations can better prepare for and respond to these digital extortion schemes.Meet Allan: https://ransomwaresommelier.com/Grab a copy of Allan’s books: https://www.amazon.com/Books-Allan-Liska/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3AAllan+LiskaMeet Jeremy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhuvalMeet Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbooker/