Waking Up to Narcissism

Have you ever wondered, during the 'waking up' process—whether to your own emotional immaturity or to the narcissistic traits in a partner—'What does a healthy relationship even look like?' Tony Overbay, LMFT, explores the subtle (and not-so-subtle) differences between narcissists, the emotionally immature, and those with 'nice guy syndrome.' He explains the need to understand and embrace complex emotions and introduces the MAGIC Connection, a powerful framework for understanding and cultivating healthy relationships. Whether you're navigating a problematic partnership, questioning your own behaviors, or simply curious about what makes relationships tick, this episode serves as a roadmap to healthier connections. It decodes complex personality patterns and illuminates the path to the kind of relationship you deserve. Get ready to distinguish between the unicorns and the chameleons in your life and learn what real relationship magic looks like!00:00 A Pie in the Face: Dreams vs. Reality01:44 The Interview Experience: Expectations vs. Reality03:36 Welcome to Waking Up the Narcissism05:30 Understanding Emotional Immaturity and Narcissism09:00 Confabulation and Narcissistic Gaslighting14:10 Navigating Relationships with Emotional Maturity30:18 The Magic Connection: Building Healthy Relationships31:36 Reintroducing Magic Mike31:53 Navigating the City Together32:15 Mike's Calm Problem Solving33:02 Appreciating Teamwork34:15 Understanding Nice Guy Syndrome35:45 Emotional Immaturity vs. Narcissism38:59 Financial Struggles in Relationships43:43 Developing Self-Regulation Skills50:38 Complex Emotions and Whole Object Relations01:01:05 Final Thoughts and ReflectionsIf you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at contact@tonyoverbay.com or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.comIf you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at contact@tonyoverbay.com or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

Have you ever found yourself trapped in a toxic relationship, unable to break free despite knowing it's unhealthy? You're not alone. In this gripping episode, Tony Overbay, LMFT, unravels the psychological maze of destructive love.Journey with Tony as he introduces the concept of the "false self" - the masks we wear to fit in. But what happens when someone never develops their own mask, instead shape-shifting to meet others' expectations? Through the captivating story of Farrah and Gil, Tony illuminates why smart, capable people get stuck in cycles of toxic love.Dive deep into the world of emotional immaturity, narcissistic personality disorder, and the powerful grip of intermittent reinforcement and trauma bonds. Uncover the mysteries of whole object relations, object constancy, and identity diffusion - concepts that explain baffling relationship behaviors.Whether trying to understand your relationship patterns or supporting a loved one, this episode is a must-listen. Tony offers profound insights and practical tools to break free from the clutches of toxic love and pave the way for healthier connections.Prepare to be enlightened, challenged, and empowered. Your journey to relationship wisdom starts here!00:00 Introduction: A True Story of Heartbreak00:16 Farrah's Emotional Turmoil00:33 Gil's New Relationship and Farrah's Struggle01:18 The Urge to Reach Out01:52 Seeking Closure and Self-Blame02:24 A Desperate Call to Gil03:03 Understanding Toxic Relationships04:43 The Concept of the False Self12:03 Emotional Immaturity and Its Impact19:28 Narcissistic Personality Disorder vs. Emotional Immaturity29:11 Intermittent Reinforcement: The Psychology Behind Toxic Bonds30:03 The Obsession of Random Rewards30:40 Intermittent Reinforcement in Abusive Relationships31:08 The Power of Intermittent Reinforcement32:50 Recognizing Trauma Bonds35:34 Emotional Whiplash and Inconsistent Affection40:26 Identity Diffusion and Emotional Immaturity50:23 Whole Object Relations and Object Constancy53:04 Wrapping Up: Understanding Emotional ImmaturityIf you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at contact@tonyoverbay.com or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.comIf you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at contact@tonyoverbay.com or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com

Tony delves into the origins of people pleasers, empaths, highly sensitive individuals, and the emotionally immature, highlighting the similarities that arise from childhood abandonment and neglect. He explains that even the best parents can't always be emotionally available for their children and how various factors influence how we show up for ourselves and our relationships with partners and children. Tony explores the pivotal moments where a child might develop narcissistic-like behaviors versus becoming a people pleaser and emphasizes that with awareness, healing can begin. This healing journey not only benefits individuals but also positively impacts their children. Tony also shares listeners' stories and a poem, providing insights into how childhood experiences shape narcissistic traits and pathological kindness in adults. Join us to learn how to recognize, validate, and address your emotional needs as you embark on your path to emotional well-being and healthier relationships.Tony references Jonice Webb Ph.D.'s article "Why Emotional Neglect Can Feel Like Abandonment" https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/childhood-emotional-neglect/202303/why-emotional-neglect-can-feel-like-abandonment and Elinor Greenberg, Ph.D.'s article "The Truth About Narcissistic Personality Disorder" https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-narcissism/201708/the-truth-about-narcissistic-personality-disorder? in this episode.00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview01:09 Listener's Poem: A Day After You05:10 Starting Today's Topic: Emotional Neglect and Immaturity07:25 Exploring Childhood Neglect and Narcissism14:38 Attachment Theory and Emotional Development20:49 Emotional Neglect and Its Long-Term Effects24:58 Understanding Childhood Emotional Needs25:25 The Invisible Impact of Emotional Neglect26:43 The Importance of Emotional Validation28:58 Teaching Emotional Education34:13 The Consequences of Emotional Neglect39:13 Healing from Emotional Neglect42:20 Exploring Emotional Immaturity46:54 Final Thoughts and ReflectionsAvailable NOW Tony's "Magnetic Marriage Mini-Course" only $25. https://magneticmarriage.mykajabi.com/magnetic-marriage-mini-courseFind all the latest links to podcasts, courses, Tony's newsletter, and more at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouchSubscribe to Tony's latest podcast, "Waking Up to Narcissism Q&A - Premium Podcast," on the Apple Podcast App. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/waking-up-to-narcissism-q-a/id1667287384You can learn more about Tony's pornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com And visit http://tonyoverbay.com and sign up to receive updates on upcoming programs and podcasts.Tony mentioned a product that he used to take out all of the "uh's" and "um's" that, in his words, "must be created by wizards and magic!" because it's that good! To learn more about Descript, click here https://descript.com?lmref=bSWcEQ

Tony delves deep into the DARVO technique—Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender—a common manipulation strategy often used by narcissistic or emotionally immature individuals to avoid accountability and shift blame. Tony explores the origins of DARVO, shares various examples, and introduces concepts like differentiation and David Schnarch's Four Points of Balance to navigate and manage emotionally abusive relationships. Learn how to identify and counter DARVO tactics and discover ways to improve emotional maturity and self-awareness in your relationships.00:00 Welcome and Introduction00:18 Understanding Acronyms02:24 Introduction to DARVO03:35 Breaking Down DARVO05:52 Recognizing and Responding to DARVO06:15 Introducing Pat and Chris09:45 Differentiation and Four Points of Balance25:48 Managing Stress and Anxiety26:11 Changing Your Relationship with Thoughts27:14 Calming Your Heart and Managing Emotions28:09 Physical Reactions to Emotions30:45 Grounded Responding in Relationships31:12 Overreacting vs. Underreacting33:08 Handling Criticism and Feedback39:43 Meaningful Endurance and Personal Growth47:02 Applying the Four Points of Balance50:50 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsAvailable NOW Tony's "Magnetic Marriage Mini-Course" only $25. https://magneticmarriage.mykajabi.com/magnetic-marriage-mini-courseFind all the latest links to podcasts, courses, Tony's newsletter, and more at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouchSubscribe to Tony's latest podcast, "Waking Up to Narcissism Q&A - Premium Podcast," on the Apple Podcast App. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/waking-up-to-narcissism-q-a/id1667287384You can learn more about Tony's pornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com And visit http://tonyoverbay.com and sign up to receive updates on upcoming programs and podcasts.Tony mentioned a product that he used to take out all of the "uh's" and "um's" that, in his words, "must be created by wizards and magic!" because it's that good! To learn more about Descript, click here https://descript.com?lmref=bSWcEQ

Is it possible to grow while navigating a relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature person? Tony returns after a brief hiatus and answers this question as he dives into the themes of handling discomfort, setting boundaries, and personal growth. Tony discusses how life's unpredictable nature can disrupt plans, emphasizing the importance of acceptance and resilience. Tony explores the dynamics within relationships where one partner may suppress their feelings to appease the other, leading to a loss of self-identity. This episode highlights the difference between boundaries and ultimatums, underscores the importance of self-care, and encourages listeners to lean into discomfort to foster change and growth. It's a call to prioritize one’s well-being and establish healthier relationship dynamics.00:00 Welcome Back & The Importance of Consistency00:36 The Journey of Returning to Podcasting01:01 The Therapeutic Value of Sharing Real-Life Experiences01:23 Navigating Life's Unexpected Turns01:55 Embracing Acceptance and Moving Forward02:15 Understanding and Managing Big Feelings05:18 The Challenge of Communicating Our True Feelings10:16 The Impact of Family Dynamics on Emotional Development15:24 Navigating Relationships with Emotionally Immature Partners28:21 Setting Boundaries vs. Issuing Ultimatums29:57 Concluding Thoughts on Discomfort and Growth

In the 7th installment of the "Death by a Thousand Cuts" series, Tony Overbay, LMFT, presents a compelling crossover episode between The Virtual Couch and Waking Up to Narcissism. This episode delves into the complex journey of healing and empowerment for individuals who have survived relationships characterized by emotional immaturity, narcissism, and controlling behavior. Through a blend of personal narratives and expert analysis, Tony shares the nuanced and significant harm inflicted by the 'Death by a Thousand Cuts' phenomenon—a metaphor highlighting the cumulative effect of repeated emotional injuries from narcissistic and emotionally immature partners.Addressing key issues such as emotional abuse, coercive control, financial abuse, sexual abuse within the relationship, manipulation, boundaries vs. ultimatums, and the critical need for self-validation, Tony provides listeners with practical coping strategies. These strategies underscore the importance of self-reflection, seeking professional guidance, and engaging with supportive communities as vital steps in shedding the lingering effects of controlling relationships.This episode aims to reassure listeners that they are not isolated in their experiences of unhealthy relationships. It also serves as a resource for those seeking to support family members entangled in abusive dynamics, offering insight into effective ways to provide meaningful support beyond mere words of encouragement. Tony seeks to empower listeners to recognize their inherent worth and foster healthy, mature connections by advocating for relationships grounded in respect and empathy.00:00 Welcome to the Crossover Episode: Unpacking Narcissism and Emotional Immaturity00:37 Why Today's Episode Matters: Exploring 'Death by a Thousand Cuts'01:58 Moving Week and Virtual Client Opportunities03:58 Understanding Emotional Cuts and Their Impact05:58 The Challenge of Seeking Validation and Understanding09:24 Creating Supportive Spaces for Emotional Growth12:36 Diving into Real-Life Stories of Emotional Immaturity23:49 The Frustrating Dynamics of Emotional Immaturity in Relationships33:57 Navigating the Complexities of Emotional Immaturity and Narcissism34:54 The Emotional Toll of Unvalidated Feelings36:07 Navigating Emotional Safety in Relationships36:19 The Subtle Manipulations of Emotional Abuse37:00 Parenting Amidst Emotional Manipulation38:29 Understanding the Impact of Emotional Abuse Through Stories46:33 The Role of Pornography in Emotionally Immature Relationships01:00:43 Financial Control and Emotional Abuse01:07:45 Finding Healing and Empowerment

Part 2 of Tony’s dive into how narcissism and emotional immaturity contribute to the different attachment styles that we show up with in adulthood. Continuing to read from the article “Narcissistic Personality and Attachment,” https://www.attachmentproject.com/psychology/narcissistic-personality/ Tony delves into the significance of secure attachment and its impact on children's development and adult relationships. The discussion begins with a nostalgic look at the importance of having a supportive figure during childhood, highlighting how a 'superhero' figure can influence one's ability to trust and form healthy relationships. The conversation then transitions into how those without secure attachments in childhood might struggle with narcissistic traits or emotional immaturity in adulthood. Tony explores different attachment styles, including avoidant, anxious, and disorganized, and their connection to narcissistic behaviors and traits. By emphasizing the role of self-reflection, understanding intrinsic values, and committed action through Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Tony offers a pathway toward overcoming challenges related to emotional immaturity and narcissism. The episode is a comprehensive look at how early attachment styles contribute to adult relationship dynamics, with insights on possible paths for healing and growth.00:00 Introduction to the Episode00:09 The Concept of a Superhero in Childhood02:06 The Importance of Secure Attachment02:36 The Role of Parents in Providing Secure Attachment03:28 The Impact of Secure Attachment in Adult Relationships05:08 The Power of Vulnerability in Relationships05:53 Understanding Different Attachment Styles08:33 The Journey of Emotional Growth and Awakening15:51 The Connection Between Narcissism and Attachment Styles16:29 The Impact of Overindulgence and Authoritarian Parenting on Narcissism23:31 The Role of Abuse in the Development of Narcissism29:39 The Complex Relationship Between Narcissism and Attachment Styles30:45 Understanding Anxious Attachment and Vulnerable Narcissism31:14 Real-Life Example: Jamie's Case32:31 Disorganized Attachment Style and Vulnerable Narcissism32:52 The Role of Approval Seeking and Fear in Narcissism33:23 Exploring Treatment Approaches for Narcissism33:43 Disorganized Attachment and Vulnerable Narcissism: Common Ground and Differences36:26 Case Study: Jordan and Casey38:23 Avoidant Attachment Style and the Grandiose Narcissist39:49 Similarities and Differences between Avoidant Attachment and Grandiose Narcissism50:52 Treatment Approaches for Narcissism and Emotional Maturity52:22 Wrapping Up: The Complexities of Narcissism and Attachment StylesAvailable NOW Tony's "Magnetic Marriage Mini-Course" only $25. https://magneticmarriage.mykajabi.com/magnetic-marriage-mini-courseFind all the latest links to podcasts, courses, Tony's newsletter, and more at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouchAnd follow Tony on the Virtual Couch YouTube channel for a sneak preview of his upcoming podcast "Murder on the Couch," where True Crime meets therapy, co-hosted with his daughter Sydney. You can watch a pre-release clip here https://youtu.be/-RkRq8SrQy0Subscribe to Tony's latest podcast, "Waking Up to Narcissism Q&A - Premium Podcast," on the Apple Podcast App. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/waking-up-to-narcissism-q-a/id1667287384Go to http://tonyoverbay.com/workshop to sign up for Tony's "Magnetize Your Marriage" virtual workshop. The cost is only $19, and you'll learn the top 3 things you can do NOW to create a Magnetic Marriage. You can learn more about Tony's pornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com And visit http://tonyoverbay.com and sign up to receive updates on upcoming programs and podcasts.Tony mentioned a product that he used to take out all of the "uh's" and "um's" that, in his words, "must be created by wizards and magic!" because it's that good! To learn more about Descript, click here https://descript.com?lmref=bSWcEQ

Tony Overbay, LMFT, discusses the misuse of self-help and philosophical principles by the narcissist and the emotionally immature. Tony uses Stoicism and the teachings of Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, and Seneca as a backdrop to show how seemingly safe topics like self-care, hobbies, and reasons to focus on the here and now can be weaponized and used as manipulation tactics by the emotionally immature and those who exhibit strong narcissistic traits and tendencies. Tony also provides examples of addressing these misinterpretations and outlines the importance of personal growth, self-reflection, and accepting one's imperfections to achieve a healthier mindset and better relationships.00:00 Introduction and Welcome00:20 The Importance of Newsletters and Updates00:39 Exploring Narcissistic Traits and Self-Help Books01:42 The Power of Self-Reflection and Emotional Maturity02:48 The Misuse of Self-Help Tools and Philosophies03:24 The Dangers of Misinterpreting Therapeutic Advice04:24 Exploring the Interactions of Narcissistic Traits with Philosophies04:36 The Role of Stoicism in Self-Improvement05:04 The Fine Line Between Self-Improvement and Weaponizing Teachings06:15 The Power of Self-Confrontation and Growth07:57 The Concept of Muse in Personal Growth08:26 The Importance of Listening and Self-Improvement14:15 The Role of Stoicism in Personal Growth25:13 Embracing Imperfections and Learning from Mistakes26:02 The Story of Epictetus and His Teachings27:23 Applying Stoic Philosophy in Real Life: Chris and Morgan's Dance Lessons28:48 The Dangers of Weaponizing Stoic Philosophy31:16 The Wisdom of Marcus Aurelius and Letting Go of Unnecessary Opinions39:35 Applying Marcus Aurelius' Advice in Relationships: Jordan and Alex's Story41:58 Understanding and Navigating Emotional Immaturity and Narcissism44:55 Final Thoughts and Encouragement for Personal GrowthFind all the latest links to podcasts, courses, Tony's newsletter, and more at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouchAnd follow Tony on the Virtual Couch YouTube channel for a sneak preview of his upcoming podcast "Murder on the Couch," where True Crime meets therapy, co-hosted with his daughter Sydney. You can watch a pre-release clip here https://youtu.be/-RkRq8SrQy0Subscribe to Tony's latest podcast, "Waking Up to Narcissism Q&A - Premium Podcast," on the Apple Podcast App. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/waking-up-to-narcissism-q-a/id1667287384Go to http://tonyoverbay.com/workshop to sign up for Tony's "Magnetize Your Marriage" virtual workshop. The cost is only $19, and you'll learn the top 3 things you can do NOW to create a Magnetic Marriage. You can learn more about Tony's pornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com And visit http://tonyoverbay.com and sign up to receive updates on upcoming programs and podcasts.Tony mentioned a product that he used to take out all of the "uh's" and "um's" that, in his words, "must be created by wizards and magic!" because it's that good! To learn more about Descript, click here https://descript.com?lmref=bSWcEQ

Tony zooms in on emotional immaturity, grandiose and vulnerable narcissism, and how they affect relationships. He illustrates these concepts with hypothetical scenarios and emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between healthy ego and pathological defensive narcissism. He also briefly highlights how developing a healthy ego can contribute to personal growth and better relationships. Part two of this episode will dig deeper into the origin stories of narcissistic personality disorder and further explore the different attachment styles.00:00 Introduction and Welcome to the Show00:21 Understanding Emotional Immaturity and Narcissism00:43 Exploring Attachment Styles and Narcissism01:41 Real-Life Scenarios: Planning a Weekend Getaway03:20 The Impact of Narcissism on Relationships08:39 Introduction to Narcissism and Healthy Ego12:28 Real-Life Scenarios: The Stay-at-Home Mom and the Emotionally Immature Husband17:28 Healthy Ego vs Pathological Defensive Narcissism22:16 Understanding the Healthy Ego22:43 Pathological Defensive Narcissism23:37 Personal Journey: From Software Marketing to Therapy24:10 Finding Purpose and Building a Healthy Ego25:40 Embracing Criticism and Personal Growth27:06 The Role of Relationships in Personal Development27:34 Reflecting on Past Experiences and Growth30:44 Understanding Narcissism: Vulnerable and Grandiose32:11 The Impact of Narcissism on Relationships35:00 Differentiating Between Vulnerable Narcissism and Emotional Immaturity44:31 Understanding the Origins of Narcissistic Personality Disorder44:52 Closing Remarks and Preview of Part TwoAvailable NOW Tony's "Magnetic Marriage Mini-Course" only $25. https://magneticmarriage.mykajabi.com/magnetic-marriage-mini-courseFind all the latest links to podcasts, courses, Tony's newsletter, and more at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouchAnd follow Tony on the Virtual Couch YouTube channel for a sneak preview of his upcoming podcast "Murder on the Couch," where True Crime meets therapy, co-hosted with his daughter Sydney. You can watch a pre-release clip here https://youtu.be/-RkRq8SrQy0Subscribe to Tony's latest podcast, "Waking Up to Narcissism Q&A - Premium Podcast," on the Apple Podcast App. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/waking-up-to-narcissism-q-a/id1667287384Go to http://tonyoverbay.com/workshop to sign up for Tony's "Magnetize Your Marriage" virtual workshop. The cost is only $19, and you'll learn the top 3 things you can do NOW to create a Magnetic Marriage. You can learn more about Tony's pornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com And visit http://tonyoverbay.com and sign up to receive updates on upcoming programs and podcasts.Tony mentioned a product that he used to take out all of the "uh's" and "um's" that, in his words, "must be created by wizards and magic!" because it's that good! To learn more about Descript, click here https://descript.com?lmref=bSWcEQ

Tony discusses "Popcorn Moments" - those crucial instances where choosing not to react to narcissistic or emotionally immature behavior can be the most powerful response. This episode dives into how strategic non-engagement can be vital for personal growth and self-realization. Through listener emails and expert discussion, Tony sheds light on the significance of these moments in understanding and dealing with manipulative dynamics.You will learn about the importance of recognizing gaslighting, the empowerment that comes from setting personal boundaries, and the liberating process of differentiation. Tony offers advice on how to turn potentially draining interactions into opportunities for learning autonomy and fostering emotional resilience.Join Tony as he explores the transformative potential of observing rather than participating in the emotional chaos often presented by narcissists. Discover how creating "Popcorn Moments" can lead to a deeper understanding of yourself and help you navigate your way to people who can provide healthier relationship dynamics. 00:01 Introduction and Listener Emails01:52 Understanding Narcissistic Traits and Emotional Immaturity03:57 Personal Story: Emotional Growth and Consistency11:06 Exploring Popcorn Moments and Gaslighting13:00 Listener Poem and Reflection18:12 Deep Dive into Popcorn Moments20:20 Understanding Narcissistic Tactics21:15 Recognizing Gaslighting and Manipulation21:50 The Power of Popcorn Moments22:17 Shifting Dynamics and Gaining Empowerment22:40 The Importance of Boundaries and Self-Respect23:10 Moving Forward and Beyond Narcissistic Games23:54 The Five Foolproof Formulas for Navigating Narcissistic Nonsense24:05 The Importance of Self-Care and Emotional Baseline25:45 Understanding and Dealing with Gaslighting27:06 Exiting Unproductive Conversations28:03 Mastering the Art of Boundary Setting30:32 The Myth of the Aha Moment31:40 The Power of Popcorn Moments Revisited34:36 The Power of Differentiation36:09 The Role of Differentiation in the Five Foolproof Formulas43:47 Conclusion: The Journey of Becoming DifferentiatedAvailable NOW Tony's "Magnetic Marriage Mini-Course" only $20. https://magneticmarriage.mykajabi.com/magnetic-marriage-mini-courseFind all the latest links to podcasts, courses, Tony's newsletter, and more at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouchAnd follow Tony on the Virtual Couch YouTube channel for a sneak preview of his upcoming podcast "Murder on the Couch," where True Crime meets therapy, co-hosted with his daughter Sydney. You can watch a pre-release clip here https://youtu.be/-RkRq8SrQy0Subscribe to Tony's latest podcast, "Waking Up to Narcissism Q&A - Premium Podcast," on the Apple Podcast App. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/waking-up-to-narcissism-q-a/id1667287384Go to http://tonyoverbay.com/workshop to sign up for Tony's "Magnetize Your Marriage" virtual workshop. The cost is only $19, and you'll learn the top 3 things you can do NOW to create a Magnetic Marriage. You can learn more about Tony's pornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com And visit http://tonyoverbay.com and sign up to receive updates on upcoming programs and podcasts.Tony mentioned a product that he used to take out all of the "uh's" and "um's" that, in his words, "must be created by wizards and magic!" because it's that good! To learn more about Descript, click here https://descript.com?lmref=bSWcEQ