

The Scriptures Are Real
Kerry Muhlestein
The Scriptures Are Real (TSAR) with Kerry Muhlestein is a podcast where we look at elements of the scriptures that have become real to us. We interview both experts (people with language, archaeological, historical backgrounds, etc.), and lay folks, and explore times when the scriptures became real to them. This is done from the viewpoint of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We believe that there is real power in the scriptures and that as they become more real we can better apply them to our lives and draw more power from them.
If you listen to this podcast you will learn all kinds of interesting background information that will help you understand and learn more from the scriptures. We believe it will allow you to add real power to your life.
My gratitude to my co-host Lamar Newmeyer. Also to my friend Rich Nicholls, who composed the introductory music.
If you listen to this podcast you will learn all kinds of interesting background information that will help you understand and learn more from the scriptures. We believe it will allow you to add real power to your life.
My gratitude to my co-host Lamar Newmeyer. Also to my friend Rich Nicholls, who composed the introductory music.
Episodes
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Jan 18, 2026 • 1h 4min
S5 E8 The Fall, God's Garments, Learning from Eve about Teaching Families (Gen 3-4 Episode 2)
Mark Matthews, a religious scholar, dives into the doctrinal significance of the Fall and its necessity for progression. Karen Hepworth, an educator, connects God's clothing of Adam and Eve with temple garments, highlighting their sacred symbolism. Phil Allred, a professor, discusses how Adam and Eve’s family dynamics serve as a model for modern relationships, emphasizing unified counsel and intimacy. Together, they explore themes of agency, sacrificial symbolism, and the transformative power of family as a space for growth and grace.

Jan 18, 2026 • 1h 12min
S5 E7 The Fall with Brad Wilcox, Symbolism, Preachers of Righteousness, Your Family and You (Gen 3-4)
In this discussion, Brad Wilcox, a professor of Ancient Scripture and a respected figure in gospel teaching, delves into the significance of the Fall and its role in the plan of salvation. He and Kerry Muhlestein explore the importance of mortality as a divine plan, the courage and wisdom of Eve, and the necessity of Adam and Eve leaving Eden. They also tackle the concept of secret combinations, the roles of patriarchal order, and the emphasis on equal partnerships within families, highlighting how these themes resonate with contemporary life.

Jan 11, 2026 • 43min
S5 E6 God, Light, Darkness, Chaos, Forms, and Voidness Explained (week 3 part 2)
Kent P. Jackson and Josh Sears, both Old Testament scholars from BYU, delve into the depths of Genesis 1, exploring the ancient views of order versus chaos. They unpack the meaning of creation as organizing rather than creating from nothing and the significance of light as God's presence. The discussion highlights the structure of days in the creation narrative, showing how each day addresses chaos. They also unravel the library-like nature of the Old Testament, discussing its varied genres and the process of textual transmission, emphasizing the enduring value of biblical covenants.

Jan 11, 2026 • 53min
S5 E5 The Great God of Creation, with Brad Wilcox and others (week 3 part 1)
Brad Wilcox, an expert in ancient scripture, discusses the harmony between science and faith, emphasizing that creation narratives serve as profound teaching tools. David Ridge highlights humanity as the pinnacle of creation, made in God's image, while exploring the democratic nature of divine representation. Mark Matthews shares insights from Moses and Abraham, showcasing the divine purpose of marriage as central to creation. Together, they reveal the deeper meanings behind scripture, transforming our understanding of roles and relationships.

Jan 4, 2026 • 58min
S5 E4 The Power of the Book of Abraham (Moses 1, Abraham 3)
Kerry Muhlestein, a BYU professor and Egyptologist with a PhD from UCLA, discusses the deep insights of the Book of Abraham. He addresses common criticisms, debunking misinformation with compelling evidence. Kerry explores the power of Joseph Smith's interpretations of Egyptian facsimiles and connects linguistic parallels like 'sheneha' to ancient texts. He also shares fascinating research on human sacrifice and provides an overview of Abraham's covenant themes, revealing the cosmic relationship between humanity and God throughout the scripture.

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Jan 4, 2026 • 51min
S5 E3 You as God's Work and Glory (Moses 1 and Abraham 3)
Mike Goodman, a Religious Education scholar from BYU, delves into the identity teachings in the Book of Moses. He discusses how God reveals Moses' divine identity and destiny, transforming him for his mission. The discussion includes the pivotal moments of Moses facing temptation from Satan and reclaiming his sonship through God's power. They also explore the importance of understanding our divine identity in resisting sin and the cycle of humbling and ennobling that propels spiritual growth. Goodman's insights highlight the overarching theme of God's work to exalt humanity.

Dec 28, 2025 • 49min
S5 E2 The Old Testament and Relationships with God and Family (week 1, episode 2)
To learn more about the covenant, consider joining us on a cruise where Steven Harper and Kerry Muhlestein will lecture and have discussions about the Abrahamic, or New and Everlasting Covenant. Also see fantastic Mayan ruins and other amazing things at beautiful ports. Go to https://restorationtravels.com/nec-cruise/ to join us.In this joint broadcast Kerry lectures for the a podcast that focuses on relationships (Thriving LDS Singles). He and his hosts, Dr. Kim Cobler and Kay Bayley teach us about how the Old Testament focuses on relationships. They discuss what it can teach us about our relationships with God and how that shapes our lives and brings joy. They also discuss the strong Old Testament focus on family relationships and how they can be messy and that mess can be edifying. We are grateful for our executive producers, J. Parke, D. Watson, B. Van Blerkom, the Dawsons, M. Cannon, M. Rosema, B. Fisher, J. Beardall, D. Anderson, and H. Umphlett, and for all our generous and loyal donors. We are also very grateful for all our Patreon members. We are so thankful for Beehive Broadcast for producing the podcast and for Rich Nicholls, who composed and plays the music for the podcast.

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Dec 28, 2025 • 1h 4min
S5 E1 How to Study the Old Testament with Kerry Muhlestein
Discover how to enhance your Old Testament study with valuable insights on storytelling and symbolism. Learn about the obstacles of context and culture that can cloud understanding. Kerry emphasizes viewing scripture through a covenantal lens, treating the Old Testament as your family history. Uncover divine themes like God's anger paired with compassion and the necessity of recognizing His role in the narratives. Dive deep into covenant cycles and the powerful messages of redemption and return that resonate throughout the text.

Dec 21, 2025 • 1h 17min
S4 E62 Knowing Christ When He Comes (Christmas Episode)
For Christmas, let us help you give! Give a subscription to the content on our Patreon Channel (TSAR.website). Or give my book, Inspirations and Insights from the Old Testament, to help with weekly Come Follow Me Reading. Or give a cruise with me and Steve Harper talking about the New and Everlasting Covenant. Or give all three! Please help us! For Giving Tuesday and the giving season, please consider helping us keep the podcast going. Any amount helps! Give just a little to keep us going. We make no money from this, we just do this for you as we do it with you! Thank you so much. How to pay: Venmo @julianne-muhlestein Zelle using the email TheScripturesAreReal@gmail.com Checks can be made personally, or through a DAF to Enlighten Educational Experience or to Edifying Educational Experience 1935 N. 600 E Orem, UT 84097 The EIN is 99-3778038 If another method would work better for you, please email us at TheScripturesAreReal@gmail.com Your donation is tax deductible and will make a huge difference in allowing us to continue and spread our work. Thank you! In this episode Kerry discusses what it means to find Christ in the Old Testament, and how our unique knowledge of Christ as Jehovah allows us to learn more. Then he and Andrew Skinner and Joshua Matson engage in a roundtable talking about how they learn more about Christ in the Old Testament. Finally Kerry talks about prophecies of Christ that were fulfilled in His birth and ministry, and especially how understanding about the term Messiah, or anointed one, help us understand who Christ is and what He did and will do for us. We are grateful for our executive producers, J. Parke, D. Watson, B. Van Blerkom, the Dawsons, M. Cannon, M. Rosema, B. Fisher, J. Beardall, D. Anderson, and H. Umphlett, and for all our generous and loyal donors. We are also very grateful for all our Patreon members. We are so thankful for Beehive Broadcast for producing the podcast and for Rich Nicholls, who composed and plays the music for the podcast.

Dec 14, 2025 • 48min
s4 E61 Family is Forever: the divine power behind the doctrine of the family with Jenet Erickson (Family Proclamation)
Please help us! For Giving Tuesday and the giving season, please consider helping us keep the podcast going. Any amount helps! Give just a little to keep us going. We make no money from this, we just do this for you as we do it with you! Thank you so much. How to pay: Venmo @julianne-muhlestein Zelle using the email TheScripturesAreReal@gmail.com Checks can be made personally, or through a DAF to Enlighten Educational Experience or to Edifying Educational Experience 1935 N. 600 E Orem, UT 84097 The EIN is 99-3778038 If another method would work better for you, please email us at TheScripturesAreReal@gmail.com Your donation is tax deductible and will make a huge difference in allowing us to continue and spread our work. Thank you! In this episode Kerry and Jenet Erickson discuss the powerful doctrine of the family and look at how scholarship both backs up that doctrine and how it can help us figure out how to apply it in our lives. Jenet helps us see the power of parental, marital, and sibling relationships. Together they help us see the hope for strong families and for how Christ makes up the difference in struggling families. We are grateful for our executive producers, J. Parke, D. Watson, D. Van Blerkom, the Dawsons, M. Cannon, M. Rosema, B. Fisher, J. Beardall, D. Anderson, and H. Umphlett, and for all our generous and loyal donors. We are also very grateful for all our Patreon members. We are so thankful for Beehive Broadcast for producing the podcast and for Rich Nicholls, who composed and plays the music for the podcast.


