

Cold War Conversations
Ian Sanders
Experience the Cold War like never before with Cold War Conversations — an award-winning podcast recommended by The New York Times.Each week, host Ian Sanders brings you raw, firsthand accounts from the people who lived through one of history’s most tense and transformative eras — soldiers, spies, civilians, and more.These aren’t stories from textbooks. They’re unfiltered voices from the frontlines of history — emotional, gripping, and deeply human.This is Cold War history, told from the inside out.We cover subjects such as spies, spying, the Iron Curtain, nuclear weapons, warfare, tanks, jet aircraft, fighters, bombers, transport aircraft, aviation, culture, and politics.We also cover personalities such as Fidel Castro, JFK, Ronald Reagan, Nikita Khrushchev, Leonid Brezhnev, Yuri Andropov, Mikhail Gorbachev, Konstantin Chernenko, Margaret Thatcher, John F. Kennedy, Josef Stalin, Richard Nixon, Lech Walesa, General Jaruzelski, Nicolae Ceaușescu.Other subjects include Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania, Checkpoint Charlie, Berlin, West Berlin, East Berlin, Cuban missile Crisis, Berlin Airlift, Bay of Pigs, SALT, Perestroika, Space Race, superpower, USSR, Soviet Union, DDR, GDR, East Germany, SDI, Vietnam War, Korean War, Solidarność, Fall of the Wall, Berliner Mauer, Trabant, Communist, Capitalist, Able Archer, KGB, Stasi, STB, SB, Securitate, CIA, NSA, MI5, MI6, Berlin Wall, escape, defection, Cuba, Albania, football, sport, Bulgaria, Soviet Union, Poland, China, Taiwan, Austria, West Germany, Solidarity, espionage, HUMINT, SIGINT, OSINT, IMINT, GEOINT, RAF, USAF, British Army, US Army, Red Army, Soviet Army, Afghanistan, NVA, East German Army, KAL007, T-72, T-64, Chieftain, M60The podcast is for military veterans, school teachers, university lecturers, students and those interested in Cold War history, museums, bunkers, weapons, AFVs, wargamers, planes, A Level, GCSE students studying Superpower Relations and the Cold War.
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Dec 30, 2023 • 1h 22min
Twilight of the Soviet Union – Memoirs of a British Journalist in Moscow (325)
Kate is sent to Moscow in 1985 to write articles for The Morning Star, a left-wing British daily newspaper founded in 1930 as the Daily Worker by the Communist Party of Great Britain. She lives in a block of flats alongside Soviet citizens and enrols her 3 children in Soviet schools.Three weeks after Kate arrives Mikhail Gorbachev comes to power and she finds herself having to cover the disorientating number of rapid reforms and attacks on the Soviet system by its leadership for a newspaper, that had always supported the Soviet Union.Kate is fluent in Russian, speaks with Soviet citizens on the bus or at the shops, and visits every Soviet republic bar one of the then-largest countries on Earth. In 1986 she reported on the Chernobyl disaster and was one of the first journalists to arrive in the area.Buy the book here https://www.bannisterpublications.com/product-page/twilight-of-the-soviet-unionThe fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link.Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPodInstagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversationsLove history? Check out Into History at this link https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod0:00 Introduction and background of Kate Clark1:32 Journey to becoming a Moscow correspondent and life in Soviet Union11:09 Placing Ket's children in Soviet schools and their adaptation15:10 Bureaucratic challenges18:08 Shopping habits and emergence of supermarkets in Soviet Union21:00 Impact of Mikhail Gorbachev's leadership and his policies33:34 Cultural accessibility, promotion and diversity in the Soviet Union44:36 Covering the Chernobyl disaster and its aftermath57:17 Relations with the British embassy and dealings with Soviet security services1:04:47 Visit to Afghanistan and reflections on its political challenges1:09:31 Reflections on the collapse of the Soviet Union and the role of Yeltsin1:15:30 Kate's book, "Twilight of the Soviet Union", and closing remarksChapters powered by PodcastAI✨ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 23, 2023 • 1h 1min
Further Cold War Tank Tales from the Land Down Under (324)
Tim participates in Kangaroo 89, a huge military exercise with the entire Australian Army using an area the size of Western Europe and we hear about the Australian equivalent of Wolfgang the Bratty Man who used to turn up on British exercises in Germany.Tim was also part of an exchange program with the British Army and he describes his experiences there and the advantages and disadvantages between Leopard 1 and the British Challenger 1 tankTim also worked with the Bundeswehr where he had a fascinating encounter with a former East German tank commander. This is part two of my chat with Tim., Part one is episode 321 here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode321/ Photos, videos and extra episode information here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode324/The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link.Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPodFacebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversationsLove history? Check out Into History at this link https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod0:00 Introduction1:03 Kangaroo 89: Large-scale military exercise and logistical challenges9:37 Leopard 1 vs Challenger 1: A comparison and discussion of their advantages20:26 Evaluation of Russian/Chinese armoured vehicles and Soviet tanks22:45 Discussion about the arms industry and British involvement in upgrading Iraqi tanks28:28 Life in the field: Food, rations, and interaction with the local population34:11 Night fighting capability of Leopard AS1 and limitations of infrared technology39:24 Cold War tactics and concerns about signals intelligence45:02 Exchange with the Bundeswehr and bonding with an ex-NVA senior NCO51:59 Cold War-themed films recommendations and Australian contribution during the Cold War54:02 Importance of individual Cold War stories and episode extras55:00 Closing remarks and invitation to join the Facebook discussion groupChapters powered by PodcastAI✨ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 16, 2023 • 1h 12min
How To Catch A Cold War Spy (323)
Since 1985, Ana Montes has been an asset of the Cuban intelligence service. In that time, she’s risen through the ranks to become one of the Pentagon’s most respected voices on Cuban affairs with easy access to classified documents. Peter Lapp reveals Montez's tradecraft and how the FBI found the proverbial "needle in a haystack".To learn more about the woman labelled "one of the most damaging spies in U.S. history" by America's top counter-intelligence official listen to episode 277. Buy the book here https://uk.bookshop.org/a/1549/9781915603326Extra Photos and videos here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode323Enter the book giveaway here https://coldwarconversations.com/giveaway/The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link.Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPodInstagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversationsLove history? Check out Into History at this link https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod0:00 Introduction to Anna Montez and her role in the Cuban Intelligence Service7:48 The process of identifying a spy within the US intelligence community16:43 Introduction of Scott Carmichael and his role in the investigation28:34 The potential involvement of Anna Montez's family in espionage34:51 A mistake and the realities of surveillance41:00 The importance of the Toshiba computer in Anna's arrest52:22 Arrest of Ana Montez56:18 The process of reaching an agreement with Ana Montez1:03:16 Public perception and recognition of Ana Montez post-arrest1:04:11 Introduction of the book giveawayChapters powered by PodcastAI✨ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 9, 2023 • 59min
Cold War, Warm Hearts - Hitchhiking behind the 1960s Iron Curtain (322)
A young woman hitchhikes across Poland and other Eastern Bloc countries in the 1960s, encountering friendly locals, border guards, and unexpected love. She shares her experiences hitchhiking in Poland, Hungary, and Yugoslavia, staying in youth hostels and meeting friendly locals who take her to different places. She explores Romania during Ceaușescu's regime, encounters ethnic Germans in Transylvania, and witnesses a socialist festival in Bulgaria. She also reflects on revisiting Cold War era places and documenting her experiences through photography.

Dec 2, 2023 • 1h 1min
Cold War Tank Tales from the Land Down Under (321)
Many of Tim’s family had served in WW1 and WW2 and from a young age, he was determined to follow their path. Overcoming huge competition for places he became a driver of the Leopard AS1 MBT at 1st Armoured Regiment of the Australian Army.Australia is largely ignored in most Cold War histories, however, we hear how the Australian Army prepared to fight the Musorians, a thinly disguised notional enemy which was obviously the Soviets or one of their satellites in everything but name. Photos, videos and extra episode information here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode321/Part two of our chat is here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode324/The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link.Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPodFacebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversationsLove history? Check out Into History at this link https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod0:00 Introduction and Tim Whitford's early life and influences7:48 Tim's involvement in the reserves and training details12:16 Transition to the regular army and experience with basic training19:41 First encounter with the Leopard tank and training experience28:42 Comparison of Leopard and Centurion tanks33:57 Posting to the 1st Armored Regiment and first deployment43:41 NBC training and river forwarding capabilities of Leopard tanks51:30 Reaction to the fall of the Berlin Wall and shift in military roles55:09 Preview of Part 2 and recognizing financial supportersChapters powered by PodcastAI✨ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 25, 2023 • 1h 27min
Jack's dramatic Cold War escape across the fortified Inner German border (320)
Jack Wesolek was born in East Germany in 1966. His grandfather was a member of the Red Orchestra, a Communist Anti-Nazi resistance organisation in Germany during World War 2. He later became Chief of the Signals Service of the Volksmarine, the East German Navy. In the 1980s an East German Army signals regiment was named after him.Jack’s father was an actor and we discuss how accurate the depiction of East German actors is in the film “The Lives of Others”.At age 6 his parents divorce and Jack stays with his father and grandmother in Rostock where he learns more about his grandfather’s story, however, he is separated from his brother who goes to live with his mother.Jack has an Uncle who was captured escaping from East Germany and was bought out by West Germany in the 1970s. At a clandestine meeting in Hungary they hatch a daring plan for Jack to escape across the Inner German Border, the fortified frontier between East and West Germany. Photos, videos and extra episode information here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode320/The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link.Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPodFacebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversationsLove history? Check out Into History at this link https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod0:00 Introduction and background of Jack Wesolek3:19 Recollections of his father's actor friends5:20 Jack's views on artistic freedom and family's political climate in East Germany18:12 Life with grandmother and school experiences32:20 Military training as part of school curriculum37:48 Relatives in West Germany and uncle's imprisonment for attempted escape41:12 Planning and preparation for escape to West Germany1:00:43 The escape and crossing the border1:04:33 First moments of freedom and reflections on life in East Germany1:07:10 Registering as a refugee and first contact with family in East Germany post-escape1:14:04 Stasi's interrogation and impact of Jack's escape on his family1:20:36 Episode extras and closing remarksChapters powered by PodcastAI✨ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 22, 2023 • 52min
How President Kennedy's assassination almost started World War 3 (319)
On 23rd Nov 1963 at Kunsan Air Base, South Korea a detachment of US Air Force B-57 Canberra bombers were parked on an alert pad each with a live nuclear weapon in their bomb bay and ready to fly at a moment’s notice.At 0400 klaxon horns aroused the crews from their slumber and they rushed to their waiting aircraft, for what they likely thought was just one more drill But this morning was different.As the crew strapped themselves into their cockpits, they were told to await a signal to fly their war mission…With targets in North Korea, China, and the Soviet Far East, the aircrews instinctively knew they would be flying one-way missions. But they had no idea as to why they were facing potential oblivion.I talk with US Marine Veteran John F. Davies who has researched the little-known story of the military response to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.Extra episode info including videos here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode319/Do you have any further information about this episode, contact John via email at JFD3vet "at"protonmail.comThe fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link.Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPodFacebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversationsLove history? Check out Into History at this link https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod0:00 Introduction and background1:34 John Davies' military service and reaction to JFK's assassination6:38 Initial military reaction to JFK's assassination and subsequent actions11:18 Events unfolding in Washington post JFK's assassination and transition of command authority16:13 Dean Rusk's and Admiral Harry D. Felt's response to JFK's assassination20:45 The military response in Europe and Strategic Air Command situation26:21 Exceptions in the military response - Fort Bliss, Texas and Cuba31:46 President Johnson's return to Washington and easing of crisis atmosphere34:09 Changes in command and control post November '63 and handling of information43:41 Reflections on the importance of telling this story and predictions on Kennedy's continued presidency46:29 Acknowledgement of financial supporters and Facebook discussion groupChapters powered by PodcastAI✨ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 18, 2023 • 49min
The lazy schoolboy who became a Cold War Vulcan nuclear bomber pilot (318)
Kevin was born in Wigan in North West England and joined the RAF as an apprentice in 1956 with only 3 O Levels. He came top of his course but was posted into supplies at RAF St Mawgan. However, he quickly became in charge of their clothing stores and via a fortuitous route became a trainee pilot.By May 1963 he joined the RAF V Force as a Vulcan pilot and served with 44 Squadron where Vulcan crews were being converted to low-level flying.He describes the challenges of low-level flying, Vulcan handling, and the immense power of the Vulcan’s engines and training in Canada.We also hear about the different methods of nuclear bomb release, what it was like to be on Quick Reaction Alert, and his targets in the Soviet Union.Kevin also flew a number of the Queen’s birthday flights up the Mall and describes a near collision on one of these events in cloud.He also remembers some of his colleagues who never came back from missions.Extra episode information including videos here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode318/The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link.Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPodFacebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversationsLove history? Check out Into History at this link https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod0:00 Introduction and Background of Kevin3:35 Kevin's Journey from Corporal Supplier to Vulcan Pilot9:49 Kevin's Experiences and Training as a Vulcan pilot18:20 Low-Level Flying, and Navigating23:43 Quick Reaction Alerts and Nuclear Bomb Release29:57 Post-Bomb Release Plans and Popular Media Depictions33:22 Incidents, Implications, and Personal Views on nuclear Weapons37:33 Responsibility of a Vulcan's Crew and recalling past incidents39:17 Kevin's experience with Other V Bombers and survival training42:06 Kevin's participation in Bombing Competitions and Closing RemarksChapters powered by PodcastAI✨ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 11, 2023 • 43min
Across the Iron Curtain in a yellow MG Midget sports car (317)
Andrew McNeile decided to travel through Eastern Europe in a yellow MG Midget Sports car, a car that's going to stand out no matter where you are!He recalls his adventures travelling through East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, and YugoslaviaHe talks about the warmth and friendliness of people, challenges with petrol quality, and an accidental visit to a nudist beach.Peter Ryan is your host today and I’m delighted to welcome Andrew McNeile to our Cold War Conversation…The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link.Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPodFacebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversationsLove history? Check out Into History at this link https://intohistory.com/coldwarpodEpisode cover photo by kind permission of Oxyman https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MG_Midget_Orange_S.jpg0:00 Introduction and overview of the episode's guest, Andrew Nielle0:31 Andrew's journey through Eastern Europe in a yellow MG midget sports car4:21 Reaction of Andrew's family and friends to his travel plans7:13 Planned itinerary for the journey through Eastern Europe and Turkey10:01 Describing the border crossing experience into the East Bloc from Germany16:05 Reflections on the separation between East and West Germany and the construction of the Berlin Wall24:25 Unexpected nudist beach experience in Romania28:12 The challenges of travelling by car in Eastern Europe32:19 Favourite country visited during the road trip: Czechoslovakia35:57 Relief of returning to the West and impressions on Soviet rule37:11 Closing remarksTable of contents powered by PodcastAI✨ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 4, 2023 • 1h 2min
1983 - the year the Cold War almost turned hot (316)
This week is the 40th anniversary of the Able Archer NATO Exercise where it is reckoned that the Soviet Union and NATO almost started a nuclear war.1990 an investigation by the US President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, culminating in its highly secret report “The Soviet ‘War Scare’” The detailed PFIAB report concluded that the U.S. “may have inadvertently placed our relations with the Soviet Union on a hair trigger”.The following is an audio version of the talk I delivered to the Manchester Military History Society in October 2023. Documents, videos, and other extra episode information here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode316The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history.Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link.Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPodFacebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversationsLove history? Check out Into History at this link https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod0:00 Introduction and overview of the episode1:14 Comparison of the 1983 crisis and the Cuban missile crisis2:38 Detente and the state of US/Soviet relations in the 1970s & early 80s4:24 Introduction Ronald Reagan and his policies5:25 Introduction to Yuri Andropov and his policies8:56 Soviet intelligence Operation Ryan's purpose and indicators12:49 Fleetex 83 US naval exercise appears to confirm Soviet suspicions that US is planning an attack16:33 The downing of Korean Airlines Flight 00722:30 Incidents soon after the Korean Airlines shootdown26:08 Soviet early warning system warns of US missile attack30:06 The US military intervention in Grenada34:21 Brigadier General Leonard H Perroot's role in averting a nuclear war during Able Archer 8341:43 Double agent's contributions to Western intelligence51:26 Controversy about how close we came to nuclear war around Able Archer54:30 Acknowledgement of financial supporters and continuation of Cold War conversation on FacebookTable of contents powered by PodcastAI✨ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices