

The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy
Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT
The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide: Where Therapists Live, Breathe, and Practice as Human Beings It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when clinicians must develop a personal brand to market their private practices, and are connecting over social media, engaging in social activism, pushing back against mental health stigma, and facing a whole new style of entrepreneurship. To support you as a whole person, a business owner, and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
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Aug 22, 2022 • 1h
Speaking Up for Mental Health Awareness: An Interview with Metta World Peace
An Interview with Metta World PeaceMetta World Peace played professional basketball for 19 years. He won the NBA World Championship with the LA Lakers in June 2010 and received the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award – the NBA’s highest citizenship and community service honor – in April 2011. He was selected to the 2005-06 NBA’s All-Defensive Team, was voted by the media as 2003-04 NBA’s Defensive Player of the Year and was the only man with 271 steals in his first two seasons in the NBA, breaking Michael Jordan’s record. His autobiography, “No Malice: My Life in Basketball” was released in May 2018 with Triumph Publishing and a documentary on his life in basketball, “Ron Artest: The Quiet Storm” was released on Showtime in May 2019. World Peace is currently pursuing entrepreneurial projects including the XvsX Sports project he cofounded in 2017 and an NFT project, Meta Panda Club, to bring decentralized basketball community to the masses.World Peace is also known as a prominent mental health advocate, pop culture personality, philanthropist, and media favorite. He raffled off his 2010 NBA World Championship Ring with the proceeds going to his nonprofit, Xcel University (now known as Artest University). The online ring raffle raised more than $650,000. Funds were donated to nonprofits in 5 cities that provide mental health therapists and mental health services to their communities, and to provide scholarships to underprivileged youth in the New York City area.World Peace was part of the 13th season of ABC’s Dancing With The Stars, a contestant on CBS’s first edition of Celebrity Big Brother, as well as the CBS competition show, Beyond The Edge. He is active in entrepreneurial endeavors, serves as an advisor to several tech start ups, and seeks to help other basketball players who have aspirations for a pro career with his app and league, XvsX Sports. For more information, please visit https://www.xvsxsports.com/, https://metapandaclub.com/, and https://artestuniversity.org/.Why did Metta World Peace start speaking about his mental health?
Metta shared his story growing up
The Crack Epidemic and the impact on his neighborhood
The challenges of incarceration, lack of education, and access to resources
Building a shell to protect yourself on the streets
What you learn and practice in the neighborhood he grew up in
The role of history and the impact of slavery on mental health of generations of Black people
The number of friends who are incarcerated
The role of “chemical imbalance” in the mental health landscape and the family members who have dealt with more serious mental illness
Metta’s desire to give back to the mental health community
How Metta World Peace is working to solve the problems that lead to poor mental health
The meaning of his name and why he changed it
Coming together with all types of people
Pushing back on separation and division or divisive statements
No guns or drugs allowed in my neighborhood
Challenging what has been defined as “life” in his neighborhood
The lack of connecting resources (like parks) in all neighborhoods
The importance of play and letting kids be kids
The challenges that Metta World Peace faces in putting forward his message
Describing self as emotional and colorful
Needing to boost his confidence
Mental health stigma before his first disclosure (thanking his therapist in 2010)
How people perceive Metta versus how he sees himself interacting in the world
Metta World Peace’s vision for the future
Everyone has access to mental healthcare
Everyone has a chance to have a good life
We try to understand each other and what motivates them, what they are going through
People coming together to improve society
Parenting and partnership training in schools
Putting parks in every neighborhood so kids can play, connect, and be kids

Aug 15, 2022 • 38min
Infant and Early Childhood Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud
Infant and Early Childhood Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Barbara StroudAn Interview with Dr. Barbara StroudBarbara Stroud, PhD, is a licensed psychologist with over three decades worth of culturally informed clinical practice in early childhood development and mental health. She is a founding organizer and the inaugural president (2017-2019) of the California Association for Infant Mental Health, a ZERO TO THREE Fellow, and holds prestigious endorsements as an Infant and Family Mental Health Specialist/Reflective Practice Facilitator Mentor. In 2018 Dr. Stroud was honored with the Bruce D. Perry Spirit of the Child Award. Embedded in all of her trainings and consultations are the activities of reflective practice, demonstrating cultural attunement, and holding a social justice lens in the work. Dr. Stroud’s book “How to Measure a Relationship” [published 2012] is improving infant mental health practices around the globe and is now available in Spanish. Her second book, an Amazon best seller, “Intentional Living: finding the inner peace to create successful relationships” walks the reader through a deeper understanding of how their brain influences relationships. Both volumes are currently available on Amazon. Additionally, Dr. Stroud is a contributing author to the text “Infant and early childhood mental health: Core concepts and clinical practice” edited by Kristie Brandt, Bruce Perry, Steve Seligman, & Ed Tronick.Dr. Stroud received her Ph.D. in Applied Developmental Psychology from Nova Southeastern University, and she has worked largely with children in urban communities with severe emotional disturbance. Dr. Stroud’s professional career path has allowed her to work across service delivery silos supporting professionals in mental health, early intervention (part c), child welfare, early care and education, family court staff, primary care, and other arenas. She is highly regarded and has been a key player in the inception and implementation of cutting-edge service delivery to children Prenatal to five and their families; her innovative approaches have won national awards. More specifically, Dr. Stroud is a former preschool director, a non-public school administrator, director of infant mental health services and agency training coordinator. She has held an adjunct faculty position at California State Long Beach and maintained a faculty position in the Infant-Parent Mental Health Fellowship for 12 years. Currently, Dr. Stroud’s primary focus is professional training and private consultation from an anti-racist lens, with a focus on social justice, in the field of infant mental health. Dr. Stroud remains steadfast in her mission to ‘changing the world – one relationship at a time’.What is infant and early childhood mental health?
Looking at big feelings and social and emotional development
The current brain science that is impacting infant and early childhood mental health
How adults impact infant developing brains
What are the basics that therapists should know when working with children under 5 years old?
The importance of dyadic therapy
Parent training
Social emotional developmental stages
The damage of punishment on the development of an authentic self
What infants need to love themselves, have healthy development
Infants want to be safe, seen, heard, and helped
Co-regulation and holding the big feeling with the child
The impacts of this work on adults
Transgenerational work – we treat the parent in the way that we would like the parent to treat the child
How to support parents in healing their own wounds
Therapy Interventions for infants and children under five years old
Play therapy is complex and advanced and requires training and supervision
Before children can think symbolically or have words, play is not effective
Attunement and attachment work

Aug 8, 2022 • 59min
What Maslow Missed in his Hierarchy of Needs - The Native Self Actualization Model: An Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone Brown
What Maslow Missed in his Hierarchy of Needs - The Native Self Actualization Model: An Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone BrownAn Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone Brown, LPCSidney Stone Brown was born in Kalispell Montana, and is an enrolled member of the Blackfeet Indian Nation of Browning Montana. She was raised on / near her reservation until 1955, living in her great grandmother’s log house with her parents, great uncle, brother and older sisters. They had no running water or indoor toilets; the house was heated with oil and light by kerosene lanterns until 1950. Dr. Brown’s family relocated to Coos Bay Oregon when their reservation faced termination in 1955. Thereafter Dr. Brown attended west coast schools. She attended 30 different schools between first grade and graduation at Oregon State University in 1974.Dr. Brown worked her way through college and was employed by her tribe as an employment counselor, where she met a resident psychologist working at the tribal Hospital and became interested in Psychology. Near completion of her master’s program she contracted with 1) the University of Minnesota developing community action teams for the Red Cliff Reservation, 2) a Lakota CAP agency in Rapid City South Dakota acting alcohol program director and 3) the University of Utah (Montana Wyoming) Alcohol Counselor Trainer and 4) became permanent employment as director of NARA 1974. The program was originally funded at $81,000 and in ten years was 1.2 million. NARA (1981) won a national recognition award for program excellence and it was noted at the presentation in New Orleans that the model (Native Self Actualization) she developed was the most innovative cross-cultural model ever submitted to the National Council on Alcoholism since the awards began in 1946.She has served on many other non-profit boards, appointed a member of the (ADAMHA) Alcohol and Drug Abuse Mental Health Administration Minority Advisory Committee (1974-1976). She lobbied for Indian and minority services at the Oregon State Legislature subcommittees, and before the US Senate. she helped form the board and helped develop the certification criteria for NW Indian Alcohol Drug Counselor Certification Board.In this podcast episode, we talk about The Native Self-Actualization ModelHow has native teaching impacted psychology?
Erickson and Jung studied with different tribes
Maslow studied with the Blackfoot people before creating his Hierarchy of Needs
Maslow did not publish or acknowledge the work of the Blackfoot tribe
Maslow’s work was for corporations
What did Maslow find when studying Native people?
Most people were secure (versus the high percentage of folks in poverty on the East Coast)
He moved from behaviorist to humanist
Learned the way of life with the Blackfoot Tribe
What is the Native Self-Actualization Model?
Inverted Lodge or Teepee (turning Maslow’s hierarchy of needs upside down)
The inherent purpose or promise babies come into the world with
The philosophy of Indigenous People
The importance of culture and altruism
What has impacted Native mental health?
Clement Bear Chief’s concept of the holes torn through Native communities
The sexualization and objectification of Native women
The need for protection people, earth, animals
The story of the Blackfoot relationship with the buffalo
The commonality of the indigenous experience
Everything that was taken from Native people creating holes
How to incorporate indigenous practices and teachings to support mental health treatment
Important Takeaways
The importance of intergenerational knowledge
It is essential that indigenous wisdom and way of life survive
The power of altruism and reciprocity
We all are human beings and need to take care of each other

Aug 1, 2022 • 42min
What Therapists Need to Know about Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane Armstrong
What Therapists Need to Know about Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane ArmstrongCurt and Katie interview Jane Armstrong, LCSW, a clinical social worker in Texas, about terminating a wanted pregnancy for medical reasons. We look at the impacts of the overturn of Roe v Wade on reproductive care. We also dig into what termination for medical reasons (TFMR) is, how society stigmatizes these parents, and what therapists can do to effectively support clients facing this decision and the outcome of TFMR.Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!An Interview with Jane Armstrong, LCSW-S, PMH-CJane is a termination for medical reasons (TFMR) mom, native Texan, & clinical social worker certified in perinatal mental health. Following the birth & death of her first child, Frankie, through TFMR, Jane opened Both/And Therapy, PLLC to provide individual therapy & support groups to other TFMR parents. These services aim to support clients through the unique barriers & grief of ending a wanted pregnancy, particularly in the state of Texas where such care is no longer accessible. She’s passionate about building community, eliminating shame, & honoring grief for TFMR families. In this podcast episode, we talk about Termination for Medical Reasons (TFMR)In the wake of Roe v. Wade being overturned, we reached out to Jane Armstrong, LCSW-S, PMH-C who specializes in TFMR and is based out of Texas, a state with some of the biggest barriers to this type of medical, reproductive care.What are the clinical impacts on individuals who are considering or who have had an abortion?
Trauma related to pregnancy as well as abortion
The differences between ending wanted and unwanted pregnancies
The shame – societal and internalized
What therapists can get wrong when interacting with the topic of abortion
Unexamined bias related to abortion
TFMR – is baby loss and TFMR parents are entitled to grief
Disenfranchised grief and traumatic loss
The impact of anti-abortion legislation on patients considering abortion and TFMR
Lack of access to all types of medical care
Logistics related to getting access to medical care
The emotional impact of continuing to carry a pregnancy when it is known that the baby will die
How late parents can find out about medical concerns that mean that TFMR is indicated
The lack of time to make a decision
What is Termination For Medical Reasons (TFMR)?
Terminating a pregnancy due to health issues with the pregnant person or with the baby
For the pregnant person: fatal Hyperemesis Gravidarum, requirement for treatment, mental health conditions
For the baby: 12 week genetic screenings or subsequent testing, scans, etc. can point out chromosomal abnormalities, neural tube deficits
How can therapists work with TFMR clients?
The conflict between the laws and a clinician’s own ethics
Make sure your clients know you will be a support resource to them
The importance of the client being able to tell their story
Recognizing that TFMR is typically not talked about and opening space for these clients
Trauma, grief, loss – sitting with the client with their hard stuff
Helping clients to make this impossible decision
Affirming parenthood and the challenge of the decision
Decision versus “choice” and the ways in which bias can enter the conversation about decision-making

Jul 25, 2022 • 1h 18min
Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders
Therapy for Executives and Emerging LeadersCurt and Katie chat about how therapists can support leaders. We look at optimal leadership, leadership identity development, barriers for emerging leaders, challenges that executives face, and how therapists can support these leaders. We explore specific interventions and career assessment questions. This is a continuing education podcourse.Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode we explore how therapists can help leadersDuring times of turmoil - like a global pandemic, an unstable economy, and social unrest - we want to be able to rely on our leaders to help us weather the storm. We look to our employers, our legislators, and our community leaders to solve problems and remain calm. But who supports our leaders? It’s important for therapists to understand leadership and the unique challenges that leaders face, so they can help. Further, therapists must be available to provide support to emerging leaders who are coming from much more diverse backgrounds and perspectives who may need help navigating a system that doesn’t always accept them or align with their lived experiences. We talk about leader identity development and how leaders develop over time. We look at common barriers and challenges for leaders at all stages of development as well as suggested interventions to address these needs.What do therapists get wrong when working with leaders?
Therapists don’t include career assessments and leadership assessment
Understanding the interrelation between work and mental health
Bias related to stereotypical leaders and not seeing leadership where it shows up outside of able-bodied, tall, white men
The calm, peaceful, work-life balance versus optimal performance and ambition
Cosigning on poor work behavior and overwork
What is good leadership?
Leadership can be taught and can be beneficial for every client
Concepts of leadership as a process and a position
Interdependent, collaborative
Servant Leadership
Transformational Leadership
What does leadership identity development look like?
The 6 stages of the model created by Komives, et al.
Moving from identifying leaders, understanding positional leadership, then moving to more of a process and interdependent relationship
How leadership identity development impacts adult clients
What impacts emerging leaders?
Identities, especially marginalized identities
Relationships with authority figures
Resources, privilege within typical leadership development opportunities during childhood and early adulthood
Relational trauma, boundaries, communication
Marginalized identities and stereotypes with no sure-fire way to perform acceptably
Lack of safety and empowerment
Career and Leadership Assessment
Leadership identity development stage
Current employment
Work/life balance
Role of work in client’s life and within family system
Therapists Working with Leaders
Life experience that therapists can draw upon
Identifying what you don’t know
Understand your own work trauma and leadership development
The CHAT Model (or Katie’s model: clarify, imagine, simplify, act)
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Jul 18, 2022 • 30min
I Just Graduated, Now What? – Career Advice for New Mental Health Clinicians
I Just Graduated, Now What? – Career Advice for New Mental Health CliniciansCurt and Katie discuss how clinicians can decide what types of jobs to pursue when they first graduate from their clinical program. We look at whether you should go into a community mental health organization or a private practice. We also dig into what you might want to consider when making these choices and looking for these jobs. Curt and Katie share their own perspective and experiences to help you consider many different options at this stage in your career.Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode we talk about a new therapist’s career path We received a listener email asking advice for how to approach getting their first job after graduating. We decided to answer that listener and to address the question of how to start your career more broadly. Should you go into a community mental health organization or private practice?“I'm of the philosophy that, especially if where you imagine yourself being is in private practice at some point, my recommendation is start doing that as soon as reasonably possible” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT
Considerations related to longer term goals
Practical and logistical factors related to compensation, benefits, and time
Clinical training and opportunities
What to consider when looking to join a group private practice“When you are looking for a group practice, don’t look for something that’s just a duplication of a community mental health organization… there is a discernment that needs to happen to identify: is this actually preparing you for the private practice that you want to have in five years? Or is it a mill, where you're churning through insurance clients that don't align or… you're working for a fee that you wouldn't be able to sustain?” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT
Caseload and pay expectations
Training and supervision opportunities
What you are willing to do to obtain your own clients
Whether you will stay at an agency while building a caseload
What are the job options for therapists when they graduate?
The importance of informational interviews to understand the options
The benefits (and detriments) to different types of work settings
Community mental health versus private practice
Moving around and getting different experiences versus starting in a niche
Identifying what is right for you

Jul 11, 2022 • 33min
What Therapists Should Know about the Rollout of 988
What Therapists Should Know about the Rollout of 988Curt and Katie discuss the new suicide hotline, 988, that is set to roll out July 16, 2022. We talk about the legislation for 988 as well as what the primary concerns are for the launch. We explore the resources and infrastructure that is promised (but not ready) as well as ideas that might improve the success of this new initiative.Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode we talk about what is already going wrong with the 988 roll out. We have been paying attention to the 988 roll out and are concerned by the lack of preparation and funding for its implementation. We talk about why we’re freaked out about the upcoming roll out.What is 988?
Legislation (from 2020) makes the national suicide hotline easier to access, using the phone number 988 – set to launch on July 16, 2022
Crisis, Suicide, or Lifeline phone number
Replaces the previous numbers: 800-273-8255 (phone) or text to 741741
Connecting local resources to local callers
An entry point into the local crisis response system
Opportunities for call, text, or messaging support during times of crisis
What are the primary concerns with the launch of 988?
Lack of infrastructure (calls are being sent out of state or not being answered at all)
Lack of local resources to handle crisis response
Lack of funding to develop these resources (potentially NO funding for staff, text, chat)
Huge gaps in the crisis response system that will be exposed by increased access to this system
Challenges with training hotline workers, who are likely going to be volunteers
Inadequate training for inclusive services and linguistically responsive services.
Ideas to improve 988 and the United States Mental Healthcare program
Funding streams through Medicaid, combining forces with 911
Using the implementation to identifying gaps
RAND suggestions to coordinate with local organizations for strategic planning and identifying stable funding sources, needs assessments related to personnel
Advocacy at the state level to make sure state legislatures are making this work
Curt’s idea: have hotlines staffed with prelicensed or provisionally licensed folks (earning double hours toward licensure)
Advocacy at the federal level to increase funding across the whole country
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Jul 4, 2022 • 37min
The Clinical Supervision Crisis for Early Career Therapists: An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks
The Clinical Supervision Crisis for Early Career Therapists: An Interview with Dr. Amy ParksCurt and Katie interview Dr. Amy Parks about the lack of resources for pre- and provisionally licensed mental health professionals to find a clinical supervisor. We discuss the current state of clinical supervision, the barriers for folks becoming clinical supervisors, what makes a good supervisor, navigating online supervision, and what licensed folks might consider when seeking consultation.Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks, Founder of the Clinical Supervision DirectoryDr. Amy Fortney Parks brings with her over 30 years of experience working with children, adolescents and families as both an educator and psychologist. She is a passionate “BRAIN -ENTHUSIAST” and strives to help everyone she works with understand the brain science of communication, activation and relationships.Dr. Parks has a Doctorate in Educational Psychology with a specialty in developmental neuroscience. She is a Child & Adolescent Psychologist as well as the founder and Clinical Director of WISE Mind Solutions LLC and The Wise Family Counseling, Assessment & Education in Virginia. She is also the founder of the Clinical Supervision Directory – a connection super-highway for supervision-seekers working towards licensure in counseling and social work across the US.Dr. Parks serves as a Clinical Supervisor for Virginia LPC Residents, as well as Dominion Psychiatric Hospital. Additionally, she is an adjunct professor at George Washington University & The Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Dr. Parks is a frequently sought-after parent coach and speaker for families and groups around the world. In this podcast episode, we talk about clinical supervision for modern therapistsWe look at the gap in clinical supervision for prelicensed or provisionally licensed mental health professionals.What is the state of clinical supervision for mental health professionals?
No consistent resources for newly graduated clinicians to find supervisors
Different state to state or area to area
Lack of supervisors and a lack of a mechanism to connect supervisors and supervisees
What are the barriers to folks becoming clinical supervisors?
Different standards in different states
Sometimes becoming a supervisor is too overwhelming, complicated, or too much responsibility
The need for advanced training in supervision
What makes a good supervisor?
Training
Diverse experience
Understanding the boundaries between supervision and counseling
Supervisor, consultant, teacher roles
Cultural humility, bias – looking at clients and supervisees
Navigating Online Supervision
Video supervision (rather than phone)
Have supervisees record (video) their sessions for feedback
Research shows that telesupervision is as effective as in person
Laws related to in-person versus virtual supervision
Supervision or Consultation After Licensure
The value of getting consultation after you’re licensed
The importance of a beginner’s mind
The challenges of finding good consultation
Finding the right match when seeking supervision or consultation

Jun 27, 2022 • 1h 14min
What is Parental Alienation and How Can Therapists Successfully Treat it?
What is Parental Alienation and How Can Therapists Successfully Treat it?Curt and Katie chat about a controversial topic: Parental Alienation. We look at what parental alienation is, the controversies and complexities surrounding this process, how to assess for parental alienation, and how to effectively treat the family system. We talk about how traditional therapy methods are inadequate and potentially harmful in these cases and what to do instead. This is a continuing education podcourse.Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode we explore Parental AlienationWe both have worked with families that What is Parental Alienation?
The impact a parent/guardian has over how a child interacts with another parent/guardian
Complex dynamic within a family where conflict is present
Breakdown of relationship based on behavior of alienating parent toward targeted parent
The Four Factor Model from Baker (2020)
How do you assess for Parental Alienation?
Challenges with correctly identifying this process/dynamic
Controversies and lack of recognition of Parental Alienation as a separate diagnosis from Parent-Child Relational Problem
Identifying what Parental Alienation is not
Clues that stories from kids are manufactured versus authentic stories of child abuse
The need for access to the full family system to obtain sufficient information
Exploring: What is alienating behavior? How does it work?
Effective Case Conceptualization and Treatment for Parental Alienation
The importance of a family systems approach
Involvement of government systems
Uncovering the generational or individual trauma for all members of the system
How to engage the tools available to advocate for important treatment elements to be in place
The importance of understanding scope and how to write recommendations to court
Preventing therapist shopping and treatment avoidance
Harmful recommendations that can hinder progress within these systems
Treatment teaming and avoiding isolation
Educating about Parental Alienation
Supporting the targeted parent to improve the relationship with the child
Working with alienating parent to prepare for improvement in child’s relationship with targeted parenting
Co-parenting and conflict resolution
Therapist communication with all members of the system
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival GuideHey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community! Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourseContinuing Education Approvals:When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information

Jun 20, 2022 • 47min
The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW
The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSWAn Interview with Jordan Held, LCSWJordan Held (he/him/his), LCSW is a Primary Therapist and Gender Specialist at Visions Adolescent Treatment Center. Prior to Visions, Jordan was a Therapist and Intake Coordinator at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles in the Center for Trans Youth Health and Development, the largest trans youth health clinic in the USA.Jordan’s mental health practice centers around creating a trauma-informed and healing-centered space for both adolescents and their families. Jordan’s expertise is working with gender and sexual minority youth with complex histories of PTSD and trauma. Jordan speaks internationally about creating and supporting affirmative LGBTQ+ environments with an emphasis on informed consent and enhanced family communication. As a queer-identified, transgender man, Jordan brings an important dual perspective to his work as a mental health provider.Prior to social work, Jordan worked extensively in secondary school education, with a decade of experience teaching, coaching, and developing health and wellness curricula. Jordan’s work focuses on gender violence prevention, diversity, equity, inclusion, and cultivating strength and belonging for teens. Jordan is on the Board of Directors of the Los Angeles LGBT Center, the Laurel Foundation, JQ International, and Mental Health America of Los Angeles. Jordan is also a long-time facilitator at Transforming Family, a support group for gender-diverse youth and their family. In this podcast episode, we talk about trans mental healthWhat is gender-affirmative care?
The way that “gender affirming care” is being taken out of context
What is actually happening, how it has been politicized
The misinformation related to what is available to children who are exploring their gender (i.e., parental consent and youth care)
The role of therapists versus the role of medical providers
Discussion of gender norms
Different types of transition for trans individuals
Social transition (name, pronouns, clothes, haircut)
Medical interventions that may start during puberty (i.e., puberty blockers, progesterone only birth control)
Cross sex hormones and surgeries (which actually require a long process)
States are very specific for what they require for gender care (as do insurance companies)
Conversations in therapy for trans youth
Gender journey
Meeting the kids where they’re at
Lying to get what they need
Letters and recommendations for surgery
The gender dysphoria diagnosis and sorting that out from depression, anxiety, etc.
Supporting trans youth with social transition and getting the support they need
The concerns with maladaptive coping skills available online
Positive resources for trans youth (scroll down to resources)
Identity and impacts
The Politicization of Trans Individuals
Jordan grew in privilege when he transitioned
Legislation
Schools removing conversations related to gender and sexuality
Play and sports being withheld from trans kids
Bias and how being trans is perceived
The actual numbers of trans folks who want to play sports or want to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity
Advice for trans kids and families where gender care is illegal, advice for therapists
Age limits and laws that don’t align with logic
Culture, privilege, and being trans
Increasing or decreasing privilege when one transitions
Getting used to the changed dynamic within society based on external experience
The complexity of the experience and the changing of the experience
The concept of “passing” and how it taps into bias