The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy

Therapy Insurance and Billing Trends for Private Practice in 2025: An Interview with Sanjana Sathya Curt and Katie chat with Sanjana Sathya, co-founder of Thrizer, about the current landscape of mental health billing and insurance. Drawing from the 2025 State of Mental Health Insurance and Marketing report, Sanjana shares insights from hundreds of clinicians on reimbursement trends, hybrid practice models, and strategies for reducing administrative burden. They explore how therapists can make sustainable choices about private pay, insurance, and out-of-network billing — all while preparing for future changes in the mental health field. Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com! In this podcast episode, we talk about how insurance is working for therapy right now Therapists in private practice must make choices between insurance, private pay, or hybrid billing. They all have pros and cons that can shift as the economy and insurance reimbursement rates change. We talked with our partner, Sanjana Sathya from Thrizer about a survey they conducted to identify what the state of insurance is now. ·       Survey insights on therapist billing models ·       Pros and cons of accepting insurance as a therapist ·       Exploring private pay and hybrid models for therapy practices ·       What is out-of-network billing and how can therapists use this model to best effect? ·       How therapists can choose a trustworthy billing service ·       How to future-proof your therapy practices Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

Navigating Incel Culture: Therapy Approaches for Manosphere Clients Curt and Katie respond to all the discussions that popped up about the Netflix series Adolescence and its portrayal of a 13-year-old boy accused of murder. We chat about the complexities of working with clients labeled as "incels." We also explore the importance of understanding the impact of that label (especially when clients are not self-identified as “incels”), internet culture - particularly the manosphere, and the challenges therapists can face when working with clients holding these beliefs.  Transcripts and additional information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com! In this podcast episode we discuss working with clients labeled as "incels" Curt and Katie explore the focus on “incels” in the discussions about the Netflix series Adolescence. We dive into the nuances of understanding internet subcultures and how therapists can effectively work with clients influenced by the manosphere, while also addressing concerns about suicidality, homicidality, and therapy strategies. What is an "Incel" and where does that term fit into the evolution of the manosphere internet community? Challenges in therapy with clients from the manosphere (incels, red pill, men's rights groups) The intersection of autism and the incel community in therapy Safety concerns: Suicidality and homicidality in clients from manosphere communities Strategies for effective therapy with clients from the incel/manosphere communities Key treatment goals when working with clients from the incel community Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

Planning for Death or Incapacitation - What Therapists Need to Do: An interview with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D.Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D., of TheraClosure about professional wills and what therapists need to do to effectively plan for their own incapacity or death. She shares her experience stepping in as a practice executor for colleagues, the trauma that can result when therapists disappear without explanation, and the systems she’s created through her program to provide compassionate and organized transitions for patients. This is a conversation about professional wills, ethical responsibilities, and why planning for the worst brings peace of mind.Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!(Show notes provided in collaboration with Otter.ai and ChatGPT.) In this podcast episode, we talk about planning for a therapist’s unexpected absence, incapacity, or deathToo many therapists avoid thinking about what will happen to their clients if they can no longer practice due to sudden illness, incapacitation, or death. Dr. Robyn Miller joins Curt and Katie to discuss why it’s essential to have a professional will, and how to make sure you’re not leaving your clients without closure or support. Why Therapists Must Plan for Death or Incapacitation What Goes into a Professional Will for Therapists The Role and Burden of a Practice Executor Creating a Plan that’s Clinically Thoughtful Systemic Issues and Professional Responsibility Action Steps for Modern Therapists Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimaginedModern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

Interpersonal Branding - Therapist Marketing That Aligns With Who You Are: An interview with Carrie WiitaCurt and Katie chat with Carrie Wiita about authenticity, first impressions, and why traditional business coaching doesn’t work for most therapists. Carrie critiques traditional business coaching models that rely on anecdotal “success stories” and mindset hype, and instead offers a relational, thoughtful, and research-informed framework to help therapists show up in alignment with their professional identities. We also explore the unique challenges therapists from marginalized communities face in marketing, and how systemic issues influence visibility and access.Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can market themselves ethically, authentically, and effectivelyMarketing for therapists doesn’t have to feel slimy, manipulative, or one-size-fits-all. Carrie Wiita, a marketing therapist and creator of interpersonal branding, shares how therapists can use their natural strengths, values, and clinical insights to build trust through marketing—without pretending to be someone they’re not. What is Interpersonal Branding for Therapists? The Problem with Traditional Business Coaching for Therapists The Impact of First Impressions on the Therapeutic Relationship Navigating Identity and Professional Boundaries as a Therapist Marketing and Systemic Oppression with the Therapist Profession Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimaginedModern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on JotPsychCurt and Katie talk with Nate Peereboom, CEO and co-founder of JotPsych, an AI-powered scribe designed to automate therapy notes and save therapists 90–95% of their note-taking time. Jot Psych supports over 30 languages, integrates with many EHRs, and prioritizes security and privacy. In this conversation, we dive into how AI can support clinicians while protecting the integrity of the therapeutic relationship. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore innovative tools and services built for therapists and their clients.In this podcast episode we talk about AI Scribes and making your clinical documentation more efficient and effective with JotPsychWe explore how Jot Psych uses artificial intelligence to ease the documentation burden in therapy practices, while maintaining HIPAA compliance and respecting client privacy.Interview with Nate Peereboom, JotPsych0:01:07 - Nate introduces himself and JotPsych0:02:18 - Origin story of JotPsych and why they created the company0:05:34 - Mission, vision, and values of the business0:09:42 - Process of using JotPsych and note generation0:12:08 - Business and clinical considerations for using AI scribes0:16:14 - Privacy concerns and client consent0:20:30 - Concerns about data training and potential AI therapist replacement0:31:18 - Multilingual capabilities0:31:52 - Quality assurance processes0:34:49 - Onboarding process for new users0:40:16 - Where to find more information about JotPsychCurt and Katie Chat – Our review of JotPsych0:42:07 – Katie and Curt talk through our impressions of JotPsych: Considerations for choosing JotPsych, paying attention to scope and accuracy in documentation that is produced, how toolslike Jot Psych can serve solo and group practices, the importance of testing AI tools in real-world practice before full adoptionA Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from JotPsychTry Jot Psych with a 10-day free trial and get 50% off the first two paid months.Visit jotpsych.com/modern-therapist and use code MODERNCredits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

When Laws and Ethics Conflict: Civil Disobedience, Social Justice, and Our Role as TherapistsCurt and Katie chat about what happens when legal requirements clash with ethical responsibilities—and how therapists can stay grounded in their values while navigating complex decisions. When you find yourself in a situation where the law seems to contradict your ethics, or even violate your clients’ basic human rights, what do you do? In this deep-dive episode, we explore the tension between law and ethics and the moral courage required to practice in alignment with your values. From post-9/11 changes in APA’s ethics code to current issues likegender-affirming care restrictions, we explore real-world implications and guide you through a framework for ethical decision-making in the face of legal and systemic challenges. This is a continuing education podcourse. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode we talk about laws, ethics, and the difficult decisions therapists face in practice Executive orders and nationwide proposed legislative bills that affect mental health have left therapists wondering, “Will my ethics protect me?” This episode and podcourse explores the interplay between laws and ethics, how professional organizations guide therapists when laws and ethics collide and gives a framework for how therapists should proceed. Participants willlearn how to identify potential conflicts, understand their legal and ethical obligations, and develop effective decision-making processes. Topics explored will include risk management strategies, consultation best practices, and documentation considerations in conflictual situations.How do Modern Therapists navigate Ethics vs. Law in our practices?·      Where clinical ethics and legal obligations collide·      How our ethical codes approach this conflict (APA, ACA, NASW, CAMFT)·      The importance of understanding your responsibilities beyond complianceCivil Disobedience as Therapists out in the world and in our offices·      Philosophical roots: Antigone, Nuremberg, and post-9/11 ethics reform·      When following the law may cause harm to clients or communities·      How to protect your license while still honoring human rightsReal-Life Legal versus Ethical Dilemmas for Modern Therapists ·      What to do when reporting requirements might increase harm·      How to support trans and gender-diverse clients in states with discriminatory laws·      Navigating confidentiality, documentation, and advocacyA Therapist’s Decision-Making Process for Civil DisobedienceFrom Knapp, S., Gottlieb, M., Berman, J., & Handelsman, M. M. (2007). When laws and ethics collide: What should psychologists do? ·   Seek consultation to understand your legal requirements (know what the law is actually asking you to do, even if that means taking the time to consult with an attorney)·      Clearly understand your ethical obligations (read the language of the ethics code and consult with trusted colleagues)·      Consider alternatives that allow following the law while upholding your values·      Contemplate violating the law only if no viable alternatives exist, and if so, limit disobedience to the minimum necessary to fulfill the higher goalReceive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival GuideContinuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined#TherapyMovement:Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimaginedModern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

Reproductive Mental Health, Intersectionality, and Systemic Barriers: Aninterview with Dr. Loree JohnsonCurt and Katie chat with Dr. Loree Johnson about the intersections of reproductive mental health, race, and systemic injustice. Dr. Johnson shared powerful insights about the shame, grief, and medical trauma that many clients face, especially Black women and other folks fromhistorically marginalized communities. We dive into how therapists can hold safer, more informed spaces for clients experiencing infertility and pregnancy loss, and how systemic racism and historical harm continue to shape reproductive healthcare today.Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode, we talk about reproductive trauma, systemic barriers to care, and the need for cultural humility in therapyWe were honored to sit down with Dr. Loree Johnson, LMFT, PhD—an expert in reproductive mental health who brings both clinical expertise and lived experience to the conversation. We explore how therapists can better support clients navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, and trauma, especially clients from marginalized communities.What do therapists often get wrong about reproductive mental health?·    Avoiding the conversation about infertility and pregnancy loss because therapists feel undertrained or uncomfortable·   Therapists overlook the impact of race, history, and oppression in reproductive trauma·   Assuming fertility issues affect only straight, cisgender couples·   Minimizing or misunderstanding the grief associated with pregnancy loss and infertilityWhat is the role of systemic racism and historical trauma for Black womenseeking reproductive care?·    Mistrust of the medical system due to real, generational harm (e.g., J. Marion Sims, Henrietta Lacks, Tuskegee)·    Myths of hyper-fertility in Black women and the erasure of infertility struggles in communities of color·   Disenfranchised grief and cultural stigma around fertility challenges·   Weathering: the cumulative impact of chronic stress and racism on physical and reproductive healthHow can therapists show up better for clients who are experiencinginfertility and pregnancy loss?·   Learn the terminology and processes around fertility treatments and pregnancy loss·   Create space for conversations around sex, reproduction, and grief—even if it’s uncomfortable·   Practice cultural humility and intimacy: be willing to be wrong, to sit with pain, and to build trust·   Acknowledge your own limitations and biases while staying curious and committed to learning·   Be prepared for these conversations—even if you don’t specialize in reproductive mental healthStay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined#TherapyMovement:Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimaginedModern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

What Therapists Need to Know to Support the Trans Community: An interview withArtie HartsellCurt and Katie chat with Artie Hartsell from ACLU North Carolina about how current anti-trans policies are impacting the trans community. We explore the historical erasure of trans identities, the rise of anti-trans legislation, and the real-world impact on housing, medical care, and documentation. Artie also shares resources for legal aid, community support, and how therapists can show up for their trans clients.Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode, we explore the real-life consequences of anti-trans policiesCurt and Katie sit down with Artie Hartsell, MSW, an advocate and organizer with the ACLU of North Carolina, to discuss how recent political changes are affecting the trans community. How are trans rights being threatened today? Over 1,000 anti-trans bills and executive orders have been introduced in the U.S. Passport and documentation delays create barriers for trans individuals. Housing discrimination and increased risks for unhoused trans individuals. Medical care restrictions limit access to gender-affirming treatment. A rise in state and local laws emboldening discrimination against trans people. What can therapists do to support trans clients? Make their practice as welcoming as possible by being transparent about their knowledge and limitations. Partner with local LGBTQ organizations to stay informed and provide accurate resources. Be mindful of documentation practices to protect trans clients from potential harm. Encourage trans clients to build strong communities and mutual aid networks. Resources for Trans Individuals and Allies: Legal Aid and Advocacy: ACLU, Lambda Legal, National Center for Lesbian Rights Medical Resources: Campaign for Southern Equality, Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA) Community Support: PFLAG, local LGBTQ centers How can allies and therapists take action to support the trans community?·   Educate yourself on trans rights and the implications of recent laws. ·   Provide direct support by connecting trans clients to legal and medical resources. ·   Engage in advocacy through organizations like the ACLU and local LGBTQ groups.·   Encourage trans individuals to document and preserve their community’s history.Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimaginedModern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

What Should Not Be Normalized in Our Profession?Curt and Katie chat about a discussion that came up in the Modern Therapists Facebook group – What is something that you wish other therapists would stop pretending is normal. We explore the normalization of waiting until license renewal for CE, balancing accountability without chastising clients, and acknowledging countertransference in therapy. We also tackle the high costs of specialized training, the problems of treating children in isolation without family involvement, and the systemic issue of unpaid internships and low therapist wages. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode we explore frustrations modern therapists have with our professionCurt and Katie dive into some of the things that therapists normalize that maybe they shouldn’t, gathered from discussions in the Modern Therapist Facebook Group. What are struggles that are normalized for therapists?·      Waiting until right before license renewal to complete continuing education (CE)·    Not figuring out the difference between holding clients accountable vs. chastising or bullying them·     Failing to acknowledge countertransference and true emotions in therapy·      The high costs of specialized training·      Not recognizing the importance of family involvement in child therapy·      The impact of unpaid internships and low wages for therapistsIs the therapy profession setting itself up for burnout and financialstruggle?·      Many therapists procrastinate CE requirements, leading to unnecessary stress.·      Holding clients accountable is important, but it shouldn't come at the cost of rapport or shame.·      Denying countertransference is unrealistic — therapists have emotions too!·      Expensive training creates barriers to specialization, limiting accessibility.·      Therapists treating children without involving family may not be setting up the child for success.·      Unpaid internships and low wages continue to undervalue therapists’ work, making financial stability difficult.What can therapists do to improve their profession?·      Plan CE credits early to avoid last-minute stress.·      Frame accountability in a way that supports clients and aligns with their stated goals rather than chastises them.·      Acknowledge emotions in therapy without making sessions about the therapist.·      Seek out reasonably priced training options and advocate for more affordable education.·      Encourage family involvement when working with children (when appropriate).·      Push for industry-wide changes in pay and internship standards.Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimaginedModern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

How Can Therapists Accept (and Impact) Technology?: An interview with Dr.David CooperCurt and Katie chat with Dr. David Cooper of Therapists inTech to explore the evolving role of artificial intelligence (AI) in therapy.Dr. Cooper highlights the importance of tech literacy, privacy, and security indigital mental health while advocating for therapists to use AI as a tool forefficiency rather than replacement. He compares this shift to the transitionfrom paper charts to electronic health records (EHRs) and encourages therapiststo stay informed and engaged through communities like Therapists in Tech andthe Society for Digital Mental Health. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can engage with technologyAt the Behavioral Tech Conference, Katie met Dr. DavidCooper of therapists in tech. We invited him on to help us understand better howtherapists can engage with technology safely and ethically. As AI continues tointegrate into mental health care, therapists must embrace innovation whileadvocating for ethical, client-centered practices.How can therapists engage with AI and digital health responsibly? Use AI tools like ChatGPT for administrative efficiency and tech troubleshooting. Advocate for digital health education in graduate training programs. Seek guidance from digital health experts through groups like Therapists in Tech. Implement technology for administrative tasks, such as automated reminders and billing. Stay informed and connected with digital mental health advancements through professional communities. Key Takeaways from this podcast interview with Dr. David Cooper ofTherapists in Tech AI can enhance, not replace, therapy, improving efficiency in practice management. Ethical considerations remain crucial, especially regarding privacy and data security. Tech literacy is a necessary skill for all therapists as the field evolves. Therapists should take an active role in digital health advocacy to maintain the human element in care. Resources for Therapists Adapting to Digital Health: Therapists in Tech – A community for professionals navigating digital mental health. Society for Digital Mental Health – A resource hub for therapists exploring tech solutions. Behavioral Health Tech Conference – A key event for learning and networking in digital health. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined#TherapyMovement:Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimaginedModern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/