

Where Do We Go From Here?
Jessica Van Der Wyngaard
A weekly podcast deconstructing purity culture, sex and other real life stuff for thoughtful Christians and exvangelicals alike.
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May 19, 2021 • 54min
70: 3 Mistakes Christians Make When Reading the Bible
We've all heard "The Bible clearly says" from pastors and people we know, so how do we get better at understanding biblical texts? Theology professor and academic dean Dr. Michael Bird joins us to look at the three big mistakes we make when we read our Bibles. Yes we look at historical context and reading our present moment into an ancient document, but we also talk about pragmatic and ideal ethics. There's so much good stuff in here to equip you to be a better student of the Bible. Full Show Notes Here Partner with us for $3/month to hear a bonus episode with Michael Bird going through three New Testament texts: 1 Corinthians 11:2-12, Romans 16:1-7, and 1 Timothy 2:11-14. Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter Michael Bird is Academic Dean and Lecturer in Theology at Ridley College in Melbourne, Australia. He is an Anglican priest, author of more than 30 books on biblical and theological studies, including The New Testament in its World co-authored with N.T. Wright, he enjoys tennis, and hating coffee. He is married to Naomi and together they have four children. Follow Mike on Twitter @mbird13
May 12, 2021 • 45min
69: The Big One About Consent
Consent is a big word that's been in the news for the past few years, and when New South Wales Police Commissioner Mick Fuller suggested an app to regulate consent for the purpose of reducing assaults, we knew it was time for THE TALK. What is informed, enthusiastic consent? Why is it crucial for evangelicals to engage with this topic even with abstinence teaching? What does agency look like for women in relationships? This is the big talk about consent. Full show notes here Got thoughts? Email it to us: wheredowegofromherepodcast@gmail.com Talk back to us on Instagram and Twitter Partner with us for $3/month to hear uncut interviews, romcom debriefs and a to get a ticket to The Green Room, a live chat with Jess & Devi.
May 3, 2021 • 1h 2min
68: Why You Need To Watch 'Promising Young Woman'
Want a movie that simultaneously makes you think about revenge and forgiveness, sex and consent, men and women AND romcoms? "Promising Young Woman" is director/writer Emerald Fennel's Oscar-winning movie, and you guys. We have BIG THOUGHTS about what it has to say to us today. Jess & Devi talk through the major plot points, tracking Cassie's choices in light of purity culture and the what the broader culture around us says about men, women, sex and consent. (Warning: episode contains tons of spoilers) Our thanks to Viviana Ortiz who created the episode artwork and allowed us to use it. Follow her: @vivs_studio Bonus - go to the show notes for a free movie discussion guide Partner with us for $3/month to receive bonus episodes and a ticket to the Green Room (a monthly zoom chat with us and other partners) Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter
Apr 28, 2021 • 37min
67: Where Did Jenna Go From Here?
It's time to hear one of YOUR stories. Today Jenna tells us about purity culture in California, how her teen years and 20s helped her make decisions as she got older. Her story will help you feel less alone. Show notes here You can hear our thoughts about Pretty Woman on The Jess & Devi Show for $3/month. Sign up today! Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter.
Apr 21, 2021 • 47min
66: Relationships & Attachment Triggers with Krispin Mayfield
This week we start to find ways to heal, grow, and move forward. Therapist Krispin Mayfield gives us simple tools to begin the process of healing. Full show notes here Partner with us for $3/month to hear uncut episodes with experts AND our recaps of romcoms from the 80s, 90s and 00s like this week's look back at Pretty Woman. Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter. Krispin Mayfield a therapist trained in Emotionally Focused Therapy, working with individuals and couples in Portland, OR. He explores the intersection of spirituality and attachment science on his podcast Attached to the Invisible and has a forthcoming book from Zondervan in 2022. Connect with Krispin on Instagram and Twitter.
Apr 13, 2021 • 56min
65: Is Your Love Preoccupied, Avoidant, or Disorganized?
The science of attachment teaches us about how we relate to other people. As therapist Krispin Mayfield tells us today, we were created for connection, so how are we connecting with others if we were never taught how to do so in healthy ways? In part one today we cover the foundations of attachment: How we learn to attach, the coping strategies we use, what that might look like in our relationships. Full show notes here Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter. Become a partner today for $3 and get uncut interviews with guests, romcom debriefs, and starting in May, a ticket to The Green Room, a live zoom chat with Jess and Devi and other partners. Krispin Mayfield a therapist trained in Emotionally Focused Therapy, working with individuals and couples in Portland, OR. He explores the intersection of spirituality and attachment science on his podcast Attached to the Invisible and has a forthcoming book from Zondervan in 2022. Connect with Krispin on Instagram and Twitter.
Apr 7, 2021 • 50min
64: 'Biblical' Womanhood Was Always Cultural Womanhood With Professor Beth Allison Barr
Remember those talks about how to be a "Biblical" woman, or a Proverbs 31 woman? What if it was never about the Bible? Professor Beth Allison Barr talks us through the cultural forces that shaped how the church treated women from the medieval period to the Reformation to where we are today. Full show notes here Our partners get to hear Dr. Barr explain how women have been written out of the English Bible, and you can too by joining today for $3/month. Join the conversation on Instagram and Twitter. Beth Allison Barr (PhD, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) is professor of history and associate dean of the Graduate School at Baylor University in Waco, Texas, where she specializes in medieval history, women's history, and church history. She is the president of the Conference on Faith and History and is a member of Christians for Biblical Equality. Barr has written for Christianity Today, the Washington Post, and Religion News Service, and is a regular contributor to The Anxious Bench, the popular Patheos website on Christian history. Connect with Dr. Barr on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook.
Apr 1, 2021 • 52min
63: What To Do When #MeToo Is In The News?
Trigger Warning: rape and sexual assault What do you do when the news is triggering? Australia's been reeling with its own #MeToo moment, and as headline after headline broadcasted the names of abusers and politicians, we wanted to centre you, the survivors. Psychologist Naomi Palmer joins us to give us tips for those of you processing triggers as well as how to support the ones you love who are dealing with the news in a more personal way. This episode also starts off with a discussion about app dating, and how to gain confidence in dating after purity culture (Jess has five practical tips). Show notes here Join the fun on The Jess & Devi Show for $3/month. You get uncut interviews and our lookbacks at romcoms of the past (this week we have a new one - Sweet Home Alabama - is it sweet or sour after all this time?). Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter
Mar 24, 2021 • 38min
62: Where Did Julia Go From Here?
The last episode of the month is when we get to hear YOUR stories, and today Julia talks to us about untangling purity culture and deconstructing her faith...in 2008. She was way ahead of schedule, and she's got stories and insights to share with us about how she went about doing it. Listen to hear more about parenting, managing anxiety, questioning your faith, and rebuilding. Full show notes here Become a partner for $3/month and hear our recap of Sweet Home Alabama on the Jess & Devi Show! Talk to us on Twitter and Instagram
Mar 17, 2021 • 48min
61: What Does the Bible Really Say
We hear a lot about what the New Testament supposedly says about.. everything (including sex). But as we're reminded today by our guest, the New Testament is largely made up of letters that we're "eavesdropping" on. So if we want to know what these letters might mean for us, we'll need to get to know who wrote the letter and to whom. New Testament Christians. What was their cultural context? What ideas formed the people around them and how did this uniquely shape the way the gospel was communicated? This episode is packed with insights from Professor Mariam Kamell Kovalishyn from Regent College, and the full conversation is available only for our partners for $3/month. Full Show Notes Here Talk to us on Instagram and Twitter Mariam J. Kovalishyn joined the faculty at Regent College in 2010, and was appointed Assistant Professor of New Testament in 2013. The majority of Mariam's research has centered on the epistle of James, Jewish literature of the Intertestamental period, and classical Graeco-Roman literature. Additionally, since coming to Regent, she has expanded to researching and writing across the epistles, Pauline and General. Mariam has co-authored a commentary on James (Zondervan), has published a number of articles in books and journals. She is currently working on another commentary on James for the Story of God series, and a biblical theology of social justice for Zondervan, as well as a commentary on 1 and 2 Peter.


