"Moment of Zen"

Fan favorite Mike Solana, Editor in Chief of Pirate Wires, joins Erik, Dan, and Antonio this week to discuss Meta’s Threads, status, and the future of social media. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zenMoment of Zen is a part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more about talent and partnerships: www.turpentine.coWe're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Episode preview(01:20) Threads vs Twitter(08:30) Who’s using Threads?(14:40) Threads evolving into something else(21:13) Threads’ growth(23:30) Elon and Substack(29:45) Ads on Twitter/Facebook(33:45) Fragmentation(36:05) Journalists(37:10) Telepath(38:00) Twitter since 2016(39:00) What the next election will feel like online(42:00) Future of social media(45:00) Whose status was affected(50:50) Distribution on Twitter vs Threads(53:22) Politics on social media(57:45) “Thetaverse”(01:00:03) What  Elon should do now?(01:04:34) How Zuckerberg’s image has changed(01:07:20) Final predictionsLINKS:Zuckerberg Wages War https://www.piratewires.com/p/pirate-wires-twitters-final-boss (https://www.piratewires.com/p/pirate-wires-twitters-final-boss)How to Blow Up A Timeline by Eugene Wei https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2023/7/6/how-to-blow-up-a-timeline (https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2023/7/6/how-to-blow-up-a-timeline)TWITTER:@micsolana (Mike)@MOZ_Podcast@eriktorenberg (Erik)@antoniogm (Antonio)@dwr (Dan)SPONSOR: BEEHIIV | SHOPIFY | VANTA | NETSUITEHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzenAre you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at https://www.vanta.com/zenNetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

In this episode, Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg discuss the Supreme Court's affirmative action decision, legacies and college athletes, the administrative state, and the right's victory in the courts. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.RECOMMENDED PODCAST:The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.https://link.chtbl.com/hrhereticsTIMESTAMPS:(0:00) Affirmative Action ruling(9:00) Affirmative Action hurts Asians(15:00) California as a case study(19:00) Downsides of Affirmative Action(23:30) Why not class based affirmative action?(28:00) Let’s get rid of legacies too(30:00) Why Dan is not a fan of Harvard(36:00) Gay rights and abortion(45:00) The right won the courts(51:30) Chris Caldwell’s “Age of Entitlement”(56:00) Dismantling the administrative state(1:05:00) Steelmanning the case for Affirmative ActionTWITTER:@MOZ_Podcast@eriktorenberg (Erik)@dwr (Dan)SPONSORS:Please support our sponsors: Beehiiv: Shopify: NetSuite: SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen- NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zenNetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.- Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOZ during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Alana Newhouse, the Editor in Chief of Tablet Magazine, joins Erik and Antonio on this week's episode. Avid listeners will recall that Alana's essays about Brokenism have influenced many heated discussions on Moment of Zen. Here Alana goes deeper into unpacking our present moment, institutionalism vs anti-institutionalism, distrust, Judaism and spirituality, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/UPSTREAMMoment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: Turpentine.coWe're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Episode preview(04:00) Insitutionalists vs Anti-Institutionalists or Left vs Right?(07:25) What is the Borg? What are their values?(13:00) Skepticism of government(16:30) Sponsor: Secureframe(21:00) Untangling particular religious impulses, faith vs practice(30:56) Misinformation(32:39) Jewish notion of justice vs Christian notion of justice(37:08) Who is 'The West' now?(45:00) Divesting from current American institutions(52:00) Tech and religion(59:00) How Antonio got upsold on Judaism(01:01:00) American Jews a decade ago and now(01:07:00) Americans need to imagine a new world instead of stagnating(01:15:00) Saudi Arabia's Realignment(01:22:00) Revisiting the crux of the divideWEEKEND READINGBrokenism by Alana Newhouse, https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/brokenism-alana-newhouseDisinformation by Jacob Siegel, https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/guide-understanding-hoax-century-thirteen-ways-looking-disinformationUs and Them by Liel Liebovitz, https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/zionism-liel-leibovitzThe Moses Option by Antonio Garcia Martinez, https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/community/articles/the-moses-optionWalter Mussell Read, The Arc of a Covenant https://www.amazon.com/Arc-Covenant-United-States-Israel/dp/0375414045TWITTER:@alananewhouse@tabletmag@MOZ_Podcast@eriktorenberg (Erik_@antoniogm (Antonio)SPONSORS: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuiteHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three monthsShopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzenNetSuite (http://netsuite.com/zen)NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

Katherine Boyle and Mike Solana join Erik, Dan, and Antonio to discuss whether a liberal arts degree is worth it and how to save San Francisco.Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.coWe're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.a16z Podcast: https://future.com/a16z-podcast/The a16z podcast is a lighthouse for current and future founders, breaking down the most important trends in technology.TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Episode Preview(04:30) Recapping the first Moment of Zen fight(07:00) Is a Liberal Arts degree worth it?(010:30) The siren song of The Social Network(14:00) Finance vs Tech in the 2010s(15:35) Sponsor: Secureframe(16:40) 4 out of the 5 people on this episode got a liberal arts degree(21:00) Are elite schools still worth it? Are middle tier colleges worth it?(29:00) Are CS degrees necessary?(31:00) Zero sum: college vs vocational school(42:00) Mike Solana’s political future in San Francisco(44:45) How tech failed SF(46:40) How to talk about drug dealers, drug addicts, and recreational drug use(51:30) Wealth in SF, geographically(1:01:00) Housing(1:0400) Fentanyl will be a key issue in the upcoming election(1:08:00) Dangerous memes, aspirations, and not accepting market realitiesLINKS:Season of the Witch by David Talbot: https://www.amazon.com/Season-Witch-Enchantment-Terror-Deliverance/dp/1439108242Base Reality by Mike Solana: https://www.piratewires.com/p/base-reality-an-interview-with-grimes-6b3TWITTER:@KTmBoyle (Katherine)@micsolana (Mike)@MOZ_Podcast@eriktorenberg (Erik)@antoniogm (Antonio)@dwr (Dan)SPONSORS:Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three monthsShopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzenNetSuite (http://netsuite.com/zen)NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.Secureframe (https://secureframe.com/)Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOZ during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Today, we have a special bonus episode: a discussion between Marc Andreessen, the co-founder of Andreessen Horowitz, and Anton Troynikov, founder of AI database company Chroma. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen.This conversation originally took place on Twitter Spaces, where Anton and Marc talked about Marc's recent, provocative essay, Why AI Will Save The World. Marc explains why AI will not destroy the world but instead may save it. Towards the end of the discussion, Marc takes questions from a select audience of entrepreneurs and builders in AI. Given how much we've talked about AI and the various doomer debates on Moment of Zen, we felt that this conversation was too good to be missed. We're so thrilled that Marc, Anton, and a16z allowed us to republish it here. Both Marc and Anton have been on Moment of Zen before (see LINKS)Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: www.turpentine.coTIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Episode Preview(01:39) Anton asks Marc why he wrote this essay now(02:30) Recap of AI History over last 80 years(04:05) Hysteria, paranoia, doomerism(06:00) Intelligence is the fundamental building block(09:47) Precautionary principle and nuclear technology debate(13:52) Recommendation: a16z podcast(14:43) Sponsor: Secureframe(16:04) The AI Race(18:00) China’s national strategic priority(22:53) Cold War dynamics(23:20) What should the government do?(24:00) Analogy Period: 2nd Industrial Revolution(33:51) AI hype cycle, speculation, investment(38:38) Problems AI can solve(50:00) Questions from audience members, including Beff Jezos + Amjad MasadSPONSOR: Beehiiv | Shopify | Vanta | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three monthsShopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzenVantaAre you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at https://www.vanta.com/zenNetSuite ( http://netsuite.com/zen )NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.Secureframe ( www.secureframe.com )Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Nadia joins Erik, Dan and Antonio to debate the different movements in tech and determine what they should be doing to achieve the impact they want to have. Nadia is a tech researcher (nadia.xyz.) and the author of Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software. Moment of Zen is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: Turpentine.coIf you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zenWe're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Episode Preview(01:03) New Podcast recommendation: In The Arena(01:28) Why it’s important to break down the elite camps and their worldviews(02:51) Elite bracket breakdown(10:00) Technooptimism, AI, and regulation(12:08) Davos mindset versus revolutionaries(13:00) Why doesn’t tech support the arts?(15:00) Sponsor: Secureframe(17:00) Tech needs to tell a better story(21:42) Where does Elon fit into this framework?(23:13) Institutionalists vs anti-institutionalists (Elon, Sachs, Sam Altman, Thiel, Vijaya) (35:00) How does the tech worldview enter politics and public stewardship successfully?(39:00) Is Twitter an institution?(42:00) Antonio’s depressing statement(48:30) How the desire for high status in a digital world has affected local philanthropy(55:44) Who are the most high status people in the world? High status education?(01:04:00) Building parallel institutions(01:08:00) Nadia discusses her article about GitHub(01:15:00) What do American intellectuals get? Experts? Substackers?(01:17:00) Idea machinesTWITTER:@nayafia (Nadia)@MOZ_Podcast@eriktorenberg (Erik)@antoniogm (Antonio)@dwr (Dan)SPONSORS: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three monthsShopify ( https://shopify.com/momentofzen ) for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzenNetSuite ( http://netsuite.com/zen )NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.Secureframe ( https://secureframe.com/ )Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOZ during your demo to get 20% off your first year.More shownotes released in our Substack: https://momentofzen.substack.com/

Dan and Erik discuss Apple's upcoming release, VR, the debt deal, nuclear energy and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.RECOMMENDED PODCAST:The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.https://link.chtbl.com/hrhereticsTIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Episode preview(02:11) Apple headset(12:27) iOS vs Android(15:57) Sponsor: Secureframe(16:49) What Clayton Christensen got wrong(23:50) VR compared to crypto(29:00) What's the future of VR(38:55) Reflecting on Facebook's bets on crypto and VR(52:41) Closed vs open ecosystemsLINKS:https://patrickcollison.com/pollutionPlease support our sponsors: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three months-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.- Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOZ during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Erik and Dan are joined by special guest Mike Solana, Editor-in-Chief of Pirate Wires (https://www.piratewires.com/) to discuss the recent AI congressional hearings, political polarization, Elon’s reign at Twitter, and much more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.LINKS:Mike Solana's Interview with Grimes (https://www.piratewires.com/p/base-reality-an-interview-with-grimes-6b3)Dan's sci-fi book recommendation: Delta-v by Daniel SuarezTIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Preview of episode(01:44) On what Mike Solana would say to Congress about AI(08:30) Contrasting Zuck, Brian Armstrong, and Sam Altman’s approach to regulation(15:09) Recommendation: Upstream(15:35) Sponsor: Secureframe(16:05) AI doomerism is just marketing for big AI(26:25) Elon’s wins and losses so far as Twitter CEO(38:57) Taylor Lorenz Mythology(41:40) Twitter’s regime change // How the tables have turned. Muahahaha.(45:00) What we’d do if we were Twitter CEO(51:00) Evolution of polarization(59:00) Silver lining of polarization(1:05:00) Distinguishing Elon’s antics from his philosophy(1:14:00) Trump feels more familiar in 2023 vs. 2016(1:18:00) The right is adopting woke tactics(1:22:00) Social media and depression follow up(1:24:00) Is half of Gen Z non-straight?(1:28:00) Ellen Pao(1:34:30) Is Pirate Wires conservative media? (No)Please support our sponsors: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three months-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zenNetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.- Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOZ during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Journalist and author Liel Leibovitz joins Antonio and Erik for a deep discussion that “solves all outstanding Israel issues once and for all.” They discuss what’s going on with Israeli and US politics, Israel’s foundational choice ahead, and why wokeness is not penetrating Israel. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.Walter Russell Mead, historian, pundit, and author is encyclopedic about politics, culture, and history from immigration to religion, literature to finance. Mead is one of our favorite guests on Moment of Zen. He also has his own show called What Really Matters, a new podcast from Tablet Magazine (whose editor in chief, Alana Newhouse, was also on our show). Every week on What Really Matters, Mead and deputy editor Jeremy Stern analyze the revolutionary changes upending American life and connect them to larger trends. Go to tabletmag.com/podcasts/what-really-matters or subscribe to What Really Matters with Walter Russell Mead on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.LINKS:Liel’s writings for Tablet: https://www.tabletmag.com/contributors/liel-leibovitzRECOMMENDED PODCASTS:Upstream with Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/UpstreamUnorthodox from Tablet: https://www.tabletmag.com/tags/unorthodoxTIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Episode preview(03:06) Askhenazi vs Sephardic(04:14) Universalism vs Particularism(15:28) Sponsors: Secureframe | MarketerHire(37:08) Christian vs Jewish notions of Justice(49:28) Liel’s political evolution(52:42) Palestinians vs Israelis(1:00:00) Abraham Accords - Obama vs Trump approach to Israel(1:07:00) What do the left vs right of Israel believe?(1:12:00) What does Netanyahu want(1:16:02) Liel is Long-term bullish, short-term bearish on Israel(1:19:00) Israel isn’t dependent on U.S. anymore(1:29:27) What would Liel’s smartest critic say about this conversation(1:34:52) Future of America / Israel relationshipTWITTER:@MOZ_Podcast@liel (Liel)@eriktorenberg (Erik)@antoniogm (Antonio)Please support our sponsors: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuiteHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three monthsShopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zenNetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.

Dan and Erik discuss how Elon got coded right-wing, why liberals are more depressed than conservatives, crime and prisons. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.LINKS:Patrick Collison interviews Sam Altman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1egAKCKPKCkRECOMMENDED PODCAST:Upstream with Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/UpstreamTIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Episode preview(02:48) Twitter’s new CEO and Elon(9:00) When did Elon become right-wing coded?(15:00) Contrasting Zuck and Elon(16:28) Sponsors: Secureframe | MarketerHire(18:26) Contrasting Elon and Sam Altman(23:00) Elon’s quest to increase “net truth”(29:00) AI race / live players(31:45) Accountability within private vs public sector(34:00) Facebook bull case(40:30) Jonathan Haidt’s anti-facebook case(45:00) Why depression is on the rise(51:00) Why liberals are more depressed than conservatives(59:00) Living in America is higher variance(1:06:00) Different approaches to curbing crimeTWITTER:@MOZ_Podcast@eriktorenberg (Erik)@dwr (Dan)More shownotes released in our Substack: https://momentofzen.substack.com/Please support our sponsors: Beehiiv | NetSuite | Secureframe | MarketerHireHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three months- NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zenNetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.- Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOZ during your demo to get 20% off your first year. Secureframe has just released Secureframe Trust, a new product that lets you showcase your organization's security posture to build customer trust.- MarketerHire: https://marketerhire.com/mozMarketerHire is one of my favorite resources for growing startups looking to hire marketers. With 1000s of pre-vetted marketers across a dozen roles, whether you need help with growth, marketing, SEO, lifecycle, content, or any other aspect of growth marketing strategy. Over 5,000 companies already use MarketerHire to hire expert marketers on demand, ranging from top venture-backed startups to the most well-known Fortune 500s.Go to marketerhire.com/moz and use code MOZ to get your $1,000 credit for your first hire.