Our friends Aarthi Ramamurthy and Sriram Krishnan join us this week as special guests. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.RECOMMENDED PODCAST:The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.https://link.chtbl.com/hrhereticsTIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Intro(02:10) Sponsor (Secureframe)(04:10) Has Aarthi always been more based than Sriram?(07:40) Attribution(11:10) Legitimacy(15:30) Brokenism vs Institutionalism(20:40) Attention as influence(27:00) Should Twitter eliminate trending topics?(29:30) Antonio’s cultural elitism(33:00) Low vs High culture(42:50) Who are the elites?(52:10) WWE & Kayfabe(01:02:45) Lex Fridman(01:12:10) Andrew Huberman(01:20:00) Bryan Johnson(01:22:00) Lindy(01:25:00) Against a la carte beliefsTwitter:@moz_podcast@sriramk (Sriram)@aarthir (Aarthi)@Dwr (Dan)@Antoniogm (Antonio)@Eriktorenberg (Erik)SPONSORS: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three months-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Amjad Masad (@Amasad), Flo Crivello (@Altimor) and Nathan Labenz (@Labenz) join us for a heated debate on the AI moment. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Preview of the debate(00:30) Sponsor(01:00) Nathan introducing our new upcoming AI podcast, The Cognitive Revolution(03:45) Flo’s take on the AI moment and AGI(08:20) Amjad’s take on the AI moment(15:00) Is chatGPT a step function change?(23:45) AI’s effect on coding(34:40) Amjad believes AI is underhyped(35:00) Bounties(53:15) What AI companies should VCs invest in?(57:30) Antonio/Flo pre-debate(01:00:15) “All knowledge work will be automated in 20 years”(01:01:00) Antonio’s AI skepticism(01:05:20) the inflection point is a jump in generality(01:06:00) Who will capture value, incumbents or startups?(01:14:30) Segue into AI and crypto(01:20:00) Flo’s crypto skepticism(01:23:40) Antonio and Flo HEATED DEBATE(01:26:30) Dan tries to calm everybody down(01:27:00) Dan’s crypto perspective(01:29:30) Antonio’s crypto perspective(01:31:50) Amjad’s Bitcoin maximalist view(01:34:55) Amjad’s hilarious rant on crypto ponzis(01:38:00) Dan and Amjad debate Bitcoin/Ethereum(01:40:00) AI vs Web 3 brawl(01:52:32) Amjad’s AI predictions SPONSORS: Beehiiv | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three months-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) and Marshall Kosloff (@makosloff) of The Realignment (@therealignment) join Moment of Zen's Dan Romero (@dwr), Antonio Garcia Martinez (@antoniogm) and Erik Torenberg (@eriktorenberg) for a discussion on tech, politics, and media.We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.RECOMMENDED PODCAST:The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.https://link.chtbl.com/hrhereticsTIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Intro(03:00) Political and class realignments(15:35) Trump vs DeSantis(25:10) Future of both political parties(28:55) Would Saagar ever get involved in politics?(33:00) Differences between Silicon Valley and DC(36:20) There will never be another Trump(39:30) Media’s impact on politics(55:40) Antonio thinks we stopped recording and goes off(57:00) who the f*** is Chuck Todd?(58:10) How media is evolving SPONSORS: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three months-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.RECOMMENDED PODCAST:The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.https://link.chtbl.com/hrhereticsSPONSORS: BEEHIIV | SHOPIFYHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three monthsShopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen(0:00) intro and sponsor(1:20) introductions (who the f are we?) (3:00) Antonio introduction (5:12) Dan introduction(6:50) Farcaster (10:10) Erik introduction (12:30) the life of the mind vs the life of the founder (16:00) Being in the arena as a requisite to comment (18:30) Why is the podcast named “Moment of Zen”? (20:20) Erik is the Johnny Appleseed of group chats (23:30) Group chat culture (26:55) Reforming institutions vs building new ones (29:30) Antonio’s intellectual evolution (30:40) Europe is behind, but Antonio prefers it (31:40) Antonio feels like a teetotaler who runs a bar (32:50) LARPs (34:00) Explaining Fukuyama (37:50) What’s the best functioning institution today? (39:10) Richard Hanania (42:30) We don’t have a grand unifying projects anymore (45:00) Should the China threat be the unifying narrative? (48:05) Taiwan (49:56) Explaining Zeihan (1:00:20) When shit hits the fan, what country do you flee to? (1:02:40) Why doesn’t Prince Harry get a paternity test? (1:04:00) Europe vs America (1:08:20) Dan is bullish on Europeans, bearish on Europe (1:11:20) “Everything except the startup scene is better in Europe” (1:15:19) Why is the US public sector so much worse? (1:21:35) Why are we doing this show? (1:22:32) “How about we just don’t get canceled?”(1:23:55) Teasing upcoming guests(1:24:34) Erik’s favorite ex-convict?

Amjad Masad, the founder of Replit, joins Dan, Antonio, and Erik to talk about AGI, religion, and conspiracies. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/UPSTREAMWe're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) - Antonio’s circumcision(01:20) - The future of Replit(06:30) - The future of coding(09:46) - The Steve Jobs Blackpill(12:00) - Will AGI lead to the death of humans?(18:13) - AGM thinks AGI dystopia is bullshit, religion for nerds(21:12) - Why is there a human need for “end of times” theory?(23:20) - Climate science is unsettled(25:55) - AGM swears he has no idea who Curtis Yarvin is (Who is Curtis Yarvin? - editor)(26:25) - Dan wrestles with the guilt of bringing another human into this cold, ugly world(27:00) - Amjad’s counter-narrative to the AGI dystopia narrative(29:30) - How can AI become consciousness if we don’t know what consciousness is?(32:15) - “AGM do you want to share your story with an AI girlfriend?”(32:58) - Amjad’s Palestinian background and his identity crisis(37:00) - Redpill moments(39:17) - The media never lies(40:35) - Russel Conjugation(41:50) - Comparing Islam and Judaism(43:44) - Judaism isn’t about faith, it’s about practice(51:00) - Transhumanism vs Ludditism(51:50) - Was The Unabomber a left-wing or right-wing nut?(55:15) - Ludditism never works, you can’t roll technology back(57:00) - Antonio’s redpilling(58:30) - Raising a family with or without religion(01:04:40) - Dismissing religion is the classic midwit meme(01:07:20) - History is a series of conspiracies(01:15:00) - Modern day true conspiracies(01:21:05) - “Are the frogs gay?”(01:22:50) - Why does truth matter?(01:30:40) - Prediction Markets(01:36:30) - The only places where truth matters: wars, elections, and marketsSPONSORS: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three months-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Part 2 of our extended conversation with Marc Andreessen, where we discuss Elon, Nietsche, and America's 1000-year empire. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) - Intro(2:00) - Unpacking the famous SBF quote(5:00) - Introducing Joe Henrich’s “WEIRD”(7:15) - Introducing Tom Holland’s “Dominion”(8:10) - Nietzsche’s criticism of Christianity(9:45) - Christianity’s inversion of morality(12:40) - Is Wokeness the logical conclusion of Christianity?(16:00) - The Christ narrative as the central narrative(17:20) - Are there any alternatives to WEIRD - Is WEIRD taking over the world?(18:20) - Antonio’s circumcision(21:30) - Why we can’t have Nietzschian morality in TV shows(25:30) - Kanye, Trump, Elon(27:30) - Introducing James Burnham and the rise of professional managerial class(32:30) - How Elon is a threat to the PMC(35:00) - Can other countries resist WEIRD?(39:30) - What would Balaji say about the case for America?(42:50) - Balaji’s Network State(44:20) - is social media going to fragment?(47:35) - America is consistent with the process of evolution(49:20) - We need more cleaving of the elitesSPONSORS: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three months-Shopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.

Marc Andreessen is our guest on the first Moment of Zen, a weekly podcast where Dan Romero (Farcaster), Antonio Garcia Martinez (Spindl), and Erik Torenberg (Village Global/On Deck) discuss the latest in tech, business, and culture.We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) All-in Tribute(02:15) What happens to SBF? FTX = Enron + Theranos(06:00) History of collapses in crypto(09:10) DeFi/Web3 actually works(12:35) Redemption arc for SBF/Caroline? Comparing with other frauds(16:37) In an alternate universe, what could FTX have become? Steelmanning FTX the business(23:30) What’s going to happen to Twitter?(25:20) How would we advise Elon?(26:20) Is controversy good for Twitter?(27:10) The killer app for Twitter is to dunk on your enemies(27:40) Bull case for Twitter(35:00) Tech civil war? The fight for free speech(41:15) Future of AI - open vs closed?(46:10) Intersection of AI and crypto(54:00) Role for gov’t regulation(59:50) 2023 PredictionsTWITTER:Dan Romero: www.twitter.com/dwrAntonio Garcia Martinez: www.twitter.com/antoniogmErik Torenberg: www.twitter.com/eriktorenbergMarc Andreessen: www.twitter.com/pmarcaSPONSORS: Beehiiv | Shopify | NetSuite | SecureframeHead to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 to https://Beehiiv.com and use code “MOZ” for 20% off your first three monthsShopify: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial periodShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen-NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.-Secureframe (www.secureframe.com)Secureframe is the leading all-in-one platform for security and privacy compliance. Get SOC-2 audit ready in weeks, not months. I believe in Secureframe so much that I invested in it, and I recommend it to all my portfolio companies. Sign up for a free demo and mention MOMENT OF ZEN during your demo to get 20% off your first year.Thanks to Rob Pera and Molly Mielke for production