The Purpose Made Podcast

BioShock creator KEN LEVINE reveals why he spent 10 years building his most personal game yet - where relationships are living systems that track hundreds of your choices and genuinely change how characters feel about you.Ken Levine is the creative director of Ghost Story Games and legendary founder of Irrational Games. He created the BioShock series and System Shock 2 - games that earned multiple Game of the Year awards and redefined narrative storytelling in gaming. After BioShock Infinite, he made the controversial decision to close a 200-person studio and start over with a small team, spending the last decade developing revolutionary "Narrative LEGO" technology for his new game, Judas.In this conversation, Ken reveals:◼️ Why his Atari 2600 was his best friend growing up - and how childhood loneliness shaped his career◼️ The brutal truth: "We were lost for 5 years" in Judas development◼️ How Judas characters track hundreds of player actions and genuinely change their feelings about you◼️ The quality standard that transformed his creative process.◼️ Why he walked away from guaranteed BioShock to risk everything on an experiment◼️ What George Orwell's 1984 taught him about game design◼️ The vending machine confession: why he created his most autobiographical character yet◼️ Why games matter to people and how they provide refugeTIMESTAMPED CHAPTERS:(00:00) Introduction to Ken Levine and His Work(00:59) Ken Levine's Journey and Inspirations(03:23) The Concept of Narrative Lego(08:13) Building Complex Relationships in Games(09:52) Challenges and Evolution in Game Development(14:15) Influences and Reflections on the Gaming Industry(29:51) Philosophical and Literary Influences(34:38) Exploring Horror as Metaphor(35:07) Family Dynamics in Storytelling(35:51) Political Themes and Personal Reflections(37:29) The Role of Ideology in Games(42:56) Character Development and Narrative Depth(44:29) Challenges and Rewards of Game Development(1:00:07) Adapting Games to Other Media(1:03:59) Final Thoughts and ReflectionsFollow Ken Levine:Ghost Story Games - https://www.ghoststorygames.com/Watch the Judas Official Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5_r-un--bAKen's GDC Talk on Narrative LEGO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58FWUkA8y2QPlay the BioShock Series: https://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/sub/127633WATCH ON YOUTUBE: https://youtu.be/i3ueLqpU6K8?si=wVIL2W0aWuObmkfWSubscribe for more deep dives with legendary game creators📺 Watch Next: The REAL Reason Hollywood Only Makes Sequels Now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJ29cn0XZw&t=24s💬 Drop a comment: What game world gave you a place to escape to when you needed it most?Ken Levine's approach to game development has always prioritized deep narrative design and player agency. From his early work on System Shock 2 to the critically acclaimed BioShock series, Levine has consistently pushed boundaries in video game storytelling. His new project, Judas, represents a decade of game development focused on creating dynamic character relationships through innovative Narrative LEGO systems. The BioShock creator's journey from Irrational Games to Ghost Story Games showcases how AAA game development can embrace experimental design while maintaining immersive sim traditions. This interview explores game design philosophy, the creative process behind building revolutionary AI-driven character systems, and why emotional storytelling in games matters more than ever.#KenLevine #BioShock #GameDevelopment #Judas #GhostStoryGames Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Stefan Lampinen has been gaming's secret weapon for 40 years. He launched Xbox 360 in Russia when everyone said it was impossible. He watched the rise and fall of Nokia. He was in the room when Minecraft turned down buyers flying in with blank checks. Now he's breaking his silence on what's really coming in 2025 and why the industry's about to change forever.This conversation reveals the shifts happening RIGHT NOW that will determine gaming's next decade.TIMESTAMPS:0:00 – The Gift from Bill Gates.2:45 – 18 years old. Opens game store, becomes Nordic's gaming gateway.8:30 – Xbox 360: How they beat PlayStation to digital.15:20 – "Russia was impossible" - How he conquered it anyway.22:15 – Nokia beat iPhone by 4 years (and still failed spectacularly. Why)28:40 – Why Sweden is gaming's best sandbox.35:10 – Inside Minecraft's war room (shielding them from the world's buyers).42:30 – "The industry just hit maturity" - What that actually means.48:15 – GTA 6 will eat EVERYTHING (The industry doesn't understand what's coming).52:40 – Europe's studios are dying - The exodus nobody's discussing.58:20 – The Last of Us changed the game (Hollywood finally gets it).1:04:00 – Saudi Arabia's power play (it's not what you think).1:08:30 – His #1 career lesson after 40 years.KEY REVELATIONS"People were flying in from all over the world wanting to buy Minecraft. My job was to shield them.""GTA 6 is going to take enormous amounts of players and money from EVERYTHING. The industry doesn't understand what's coming.""Sweden had 70% gaming penetration because we don't dub. We had to learn English. We had to think global from day one."WATCH ON YOUTUBE BEFORE FIVE ON FRIDAY NEWSLETTER 📫Sign up:   / before-5-on-friday-7244349280012886020  GET IN TOUCH🌍 Our website: https://www.purposemade.uk/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

“There was never a video game curse. Just bad producers who didn't play or respect or appreciate games.” – Dmitri M. Johnson, Story KitchenHollywood’s video game curse? Total myth! Sonic and The Last of Us show adaptations thrive when creators respect games. With 3 billion gamers worldwide, game-to-screen hits are soaring. As an ex-EA gamer, I’m pumped to share this episode with Story Kitchen’s Dmitri M. Johnson and Mike Goldberg (Sonic, Tomb Raider, Streets of Rage). We unpack why game movies fail, Sonic’s 10-year saga, and 2025’s hottest adaptations. Subscribe for more gaming insights! What You’ll Learn:> 0:28 – Sonic’s 10-year fight to the screen > 5:14 – Passion-driven IP picks > 12:39 – Netflix’s adaptation boom > 21:49 – Future game franchises to watch > 28:31 – Tomb Raider’s evolution > 33:31 – Keys to killer creative teams > 46:32 – Next big game-to-screen hits Love games or films? Comment your dream adaptation - Mass Effect, Payday, or A Plague Tale? Watch on YouTube for the best experienceShare and subscribe! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Deadpool’s co-creator Fabian Nicieza on storytelling's future, AI’s threat to creativity, and why characters still save lives.In this powerful and wide-ranging episode, Deadpool co-creator Fabian Nicieza joins Peter Bell on the Purpose Made podcast to talk about what it really means to build enduring characters and what’s being lost in today’s race toward AI-driven content.Fabian reflects on four decades in storytelling, from Marvel's golden era to transmedia’s unrealised promise, and shares the emotional weight of creating characters that help people navigate trauma, cancer, and loss.He also dives deep into the creative and moral challenge AI poses to future generations of artists. This isn’t just an industry conversation, it’s a human one.Whether you’re a writer, founder, or fan of good stories, this is the episode that challenges you to ask: What kind of world are we building?Timestamps:00:00 – Introduction: From Marvel to Deadpool04:32 – Deadpool’s origin and emotional impact12:15 – The evolution of storytelling (simplicity to complex simplicity)18:40 – The Deadpool effect: humour + trauma = healing28:55 – AI and the end of creativity43:00 – Transmedia: Dream vs. Reality55:15 – How creatives should handle fandom backlash01:02:30 – Can stories still survive without storytellers?Guest Bio:Fabian Nicieza is a legendary writer and editor known for his iconic work at Marvel Comics, including X-Men, X-Force, and co-creating Deadpool. With a career spanning 40+ years, he’s also worked with DC Comics, Mattel, Acclaim, and Starlight Runner. His novels Suburban Dick's and The Self-Made Widow received critical acclaim, including an Edgar Award nomination.Resource Links:Fabian’s book: Suburban Dick's (https://amzn.to/4kF17BD)Purpose Made website: www.purposemade.ukListen on Spotify: Purpose Made Podcast (https://open.spotify.com/show/66hrGrtDSwBJUzIGF6f5eg?si=4d7031600d3c433e)🔔 Subscribe for more conversations on purpose, creativity & the future: https://www.youtube.com/@UCftFt-Pd7xe1f0XY0K-dX4w Connect with Fabian Nicieza:• Twitter/X: @FabianNicieza• Website: fabiannicieza.com#Deadpool #FabianNicieza #Storytelling #AIandCreativity #PurposeMadePodcast #Transmedia #Marvel #CreativeProcess #FutureOfArt Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jeff Gomez, CEO of Starlight Runner & architect behind Marvel, Spider-Man, & Pirates of the Caribbean transmedia universes and more, reveals how storytelling is evolving in the digital age & why narrative shapes reality. In this profound conversation, Jeff shares his journey from a traumatic childhood in 1960s NYC to becoming the pioneer behind transmedia storytelling for the world's biggest franchises. Discover how Jeff's early escape into Japanese media like Godzilla laid the foundation for his revolutionary approach to creating interconnected story worlds across multiple platforms. Jeff reveals the shift from the traditional hero's journey to what he calls "collective journey narratives" - a storytelling model designed for our interconnected world. He explains how this approach has not only transformed entertainment but has been applied to address real-world crises in Colombia, Mexico, and Afghanistan. Learn why Jeff believes AI will dramatically change how stories are created while potentially threatening authentic human connection. The conversation explores why world-building comes before character development in transmedia, why Hollywood often treats IP as a funnel rather than a framework, and how ethical considerations must guide immersive environments. TIMESTAMPS:00:00 The Power and Wisdom of Storytelling00:21 Jeff Gomez: From Chaos to Creativity01:49 The Birth of a Storyteller04:40 Early Influences: Godzilla and Japanese Media08:06 Dungeons and Dragons: A Gateway to Story Worlds09:07 From Fanzines to Professional Storytelling11:22 World Building in Magic: The Gathering13:09 Transmedia Storytelling in Hollywood23:32 The Collective Journey: A New Narrative Model28:27 Transmedia for Social Change32:49 The Evolution of Social Media Personas34:15 Impact of Social Media on Emotional Well-being34:33 Narrative in the Digital Age36:07 Story World Architecture and World Building37:58 Audience Interaction and Fan Engagement39:07 Geosynchronous Storytelling and Content Discoverability40:24 Video Games and Narrative Adaptations42:11 Current Trends in Storytelling45:40 The Role of AI in Human Relationships50:29 Hope for the Future of Storytelling52:41 Transmedia Storytelling: Origins and Evolution57:09 Emotional Resonance in Story Worlds59:03 Ethical Considerations in Immersive Content01:00:33 Final Thoughts and TakeawaysABOUT JEFF GOMEZ:Jeff Gomez is the CEO of Starlight Runner Entertainment and a leading expert in story world development and narrative design. His pioneering work in transmedia storytelling has shaped how major franchises expand across multiple platforms. Jeff has contributed to blockbuster properties including Spider-Man, Pirates of the Caribbean, Avatar, Halo, and Men in Black. His innovative approach to narrative has been applied not only in entertainment but also in addressing sociopolitical challenges worldwide.EPISODE SUMMARY:This conversation explores how storytelling is evolving in our digital age, the shift from hero's journey to collective narratives, and why Jeff believes that "if we have the power of Gods, we require the wisdom of Gods to use that power - and wisdom comes out of narrative." Learn how proper story architecture creates emotional resonance, why Hollywood often mismanages IP development, and how AI is transforming both storytelling and human relationships.📱 CONNECT WITH JEFF:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffgomez/🎙️ SUBSCRIBE for more conversations with industry innovators and creative pioneers.🔔 Hit the notification bell to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Entertainment attorney Simon Pulman (Prior Cashman, NYC) reveals how to build billion-dollar transmedia franchises without risking studio collapse. Learn the formula top 1% of adaptations use.The entertainment industry faces its biggest paradigm shift in decades. While Hollywood struggles with declining theatre attendance and rising production costs, gaming properties are creating the most successful adaptations in history. Entertainment lawyer Simon Pulman breaks down exactly why this is happening and how it's transforming deal structures across the industry.In this eye-opening conversation, Pulman reveals how individual incentives are driving risk-aversion across studios, why original scripts have been replaced by IP acquisitions, and the shocking truth about how "Hollywood created Netflix" through short-term financial decisions that destroyed their long-term business model.TIMESTAMPS:00:00 Introduction to Simon Pulman's expertise02:14 Why original scripts dominated in the 90s vs franchise dominance today04:35 The audience shift: Why people won't leave home for cinema anymore07:18 How international content (Squid Game, anime) is reshaping Hollywood10:47 Snow White remake failure: Budget vs ROI analysis13:30 Community: The undervalued asset Hollywood ignores but gaming understands17:42 The Holy Trinity of successful adaptations: Last of Us, Fallout, Mario21:36 Why honoring IP is non-negotiable for successful adaptations26:55 How transmedia success drives game sales - the feedback loop30:10 The weekly episode model vs. binge culture for deeper engagement33:22 Netflix's gaming strategy: Can they leverage their IPs effectively?39:08 BioWare's storytelling potential beyond games43:15 The new deal paradigm: How game companies flipped Hollywood's ownership model49:40 Roblox's untapped potential: Why it's creating tomorrow's entertainment moguls56:28 AI's complex entertainment industry implications57:45 Entertainment predictions for next 12 monthsAbout Simon Pulman:Simon Pulman is an entertainment attorney with Prior Cashman in New York City, specialising in deals across television, motion pictures, podcasts, video games, and publishing. He helps companies develop, produce, and finance media projects during a period of unprecedented technological and audience behaviour change.The Transmedia Revolution:This episode explores how successful properties like The Last of Us have created a virtuous cycle where shows drive game sales and games build audience anticipation for new seasons - all while maintaining the core emotional elements that connected with audiences originally.Join the Conversation:What gaming property do you think deserves the Last of Us treatment next? Share your thoughts in the comments below!Connect with Simon:Find Simon Pulman on LinkedIn for more insights on entertainment law and industry trends.Subscribe for more industry insights:🎮 YouTube:‪@PurposeMadePodcast‬ 🎧 Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/66hrGrt... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, I sit down with retired Navy SEAL commander and performance expert Rich Diviney who reveals the revolutionary "Mastering Uncertainty Method" - a science-backed approach that elite military operators use to thrive under pressure when things don't go according to plan.Drawing from over two decades of experience leading and training top performers (including founding the SEALs' "Mind Gym"), Rich breaks down how anyone can harness uncertainty as an advantage rather than a liability. We explore how Navy SEALs develop mental toughness, make decisive decisions under extreme pressure, and leverage their innate human capabilities to excel in chaotic environments.Rich shares practical strategies to:Transform uncertain moments into opportunitiesTap into your body's natural performance engine during difficult challengesMaintain composure under pressureImprove performance when stakes are highestUnderstand your "raw self" to determine optimal actions in any scenarioAvoid the traps causing 95% of teams to underperformBuild the four domains of trust essential to high-performing teamsWhether facing uncertainty in your personal or professional life, this conversation provides actionable insights to develop the mindset of an elite operator.As Simon Sinek says about Rich's work: "Easy to understand and simple to implement, Masters of Uncertainty is essential for any person or team that wants to operate even better than they do now."As Andrew Huberman writes in the foreword to Rich's latest book, and the focal point of today's podcast, Masters of Uncertainty: "This book is a practical guide for how to wake up and be the most effective version of yourself, how to bring that to all your life's challenges, and (most importantly) how to perpetually bounce upward and forward when pushed back or under pressure... and in so doing, exceed your previous self and performance—over and over and over.""People like Rich Diviney are rare: because of what they know, for what they have proved capable of doing, and for their ability to teach it to others... This book will powerfully shift how you view and approach life—its challenges and its less challenging moments too—for the better."Grab a Copy of The Books Here:- Masters of Uncertainty: https://amzn.to/41RdlB1- The Attributes: 25 Hidden Drivers of Optimal Performance: https://amzn.to/42aEdLhSpecial Offer:Unlock Your Leadership Potential. Use the code PETERBELL15 to get a 15% discount on The Attributes Assessment at theattributes.com.Enjoyed the podcast? Subscribe now!Host: Peter BellGuest: Rich DivineyPete's Socials:Website ▹ https://www.purposemade.uk/LinkedIn ▹ https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-george-bell/Instagram ▹ https://www.instagram.com/thepeterbell/Rich's Socials:Website ▹ https://theattributes.com/all-attributes/LinkedIn ▹ https://www.linkedin.com/in/richdiviney/Instagram ▹ https://www.instagram.com/rich_diviney/?hl=enThis podcast was recorded and produced by Purpose Made, dedicated to helping you achieve your highest potential. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Russell Binder, the IP accelerator behind Five Nights at Freddy's, Twilight, and The Hunger Games, reveals how gaming communities are reshaping Hollywood's and gamings approach to franchise building.In this conversation, Russell Binder, founder of Stryker Entertainment, shares his journey from representing comic book creators to building billion-dollar transmedia franchises. With 30+ years of experience developing IPs like Five Nights at Freddy's, Twilight Saga, and Angry Birds, Russell provides unprecedented insights into how gaming communities are transforming Hollywood and gaming's approach to storytelling, merchandising and entertainment."When I started in the business, there were the five families, Warner's, Disney, Universal, Sony, and Paramount, and they were generally the gatekeepers of the big IPs," Russell explains. He reveals the strategies behind turning Five Nights at Freddy's from an indie game to a global phenomenon through community cultivation: "The virality of these jump scares and watching people play this game introduced this property to a massive social audience across YouTube, across Instagram... you didn't have to play the game to get excited about Five Nights at Freddy's."Russell also shares candid stories about working with industry legends: "If you ask me what I love about my job, as much as I love movies, as much as I love video games, the people I've had the pleasure to work with, Steven Spielberg, Sean Levy, Guillermo del Toro, like some of the coolest storytellers and filmmakers..." His insights on what makes an IP truly transferable are invaluable: "If you look at what works in horror, it's iconic. It's Freddie, Jason, Michael Myers in the film business. In gaming, Five Nights at Freddy's and Poppy and Bendy... Iconic characters that translate multi-directionally."Timestamps:00:00 Introduction to Russell Binder and Striker Entertainment05:32 The Twilight Saga 18:17 Transitioning to Video Games: Angry Birds and Five Nights at Freddy's25:43 Future of Transmedia and Cross-Platform Content34:27 The Challenges of Transmedia Projects34:54 Disney's Transmedia Mastery35:17 Amazon's Potential in Transmedia36:47 The Evolution of Gaming and Hollywood37:29 Criteria for Successful Transmedia Ventures40:15 High on Life: A Transmedia Success Story41:36 The Future of Transmedia Adaptations51:09: Working with Steven Spielberg 59:42 The Future of Transmedia and EntertainmentGuest Biography:Russell Binder is the founder of Stryker Entertainment, an IP accelerator specialising in transmedia development, licensing, and production. With over 30 years in the entertainment industry, Russell has managed blockbuster IPs including The Twilight Saga, The Hunger Games, TheWalkingDead, Pacific Rim, Five Nights at Freddy's, Preacher, KickAss2, TED and TED 2, Terminator Salvation, Terminator Genisys, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, The BFG, Powers, Ender's Game, and others. His unique approach combines consumer products expertise with film/TV development, helping creators maximise their IP's potential across multiple platforms.Watch On YouTube: https://youtu.be/I3WAJiz82Hk?si=quh3xArWI_3B9h_P Connect with Russell Binder:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/russell-binder-19a3791/Website: https://www.strikerentertainment.com/Connect with Pete: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-george-bell/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeterbell/Newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/before-5-on-friday-7244349280012886020/Website: https://www.purposemade.uk Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Olympic & Paralympic champion David Smith MBE shares his extraordinary journey through cancer, paralysis, and transformation. A powerful story of resilience and purpose. In this profound conversation, Olympic gold medalist and Paralympic champion David Smith MBE opens up about his remarkable journey through multiple life-altering challenges. From reaching the pinnacle of athletic achievement to facing cancer, paralysis, and a complete identity transformation, David's story is a masterclass in human resilience and post-traumatic growth.🎯 KEY MOMENTS:00:00 Olympic Journey & Early Success12:45 Confronting Cancer & Life's Fragility25:30 Navigating Paralysis & Identity Crisis35:15 The Power of Post-Traumatic Growth48:20 Transforming Through Loss of Ego59:30 Finding Peace in Present MomentABOUT DAVID SMITH MBE:David Smith is a multi-sport phenomenon who has represented Great Britain in rowing, cycling, and Paralympic sports. After being paralysed from a spinal tumour surgery in 2016, he embarked on a profound journey of self-discovery and transformation. Today, he inspires others through speaking and coaching, sharing invaluable insights on resilience, purpose, and peak performance.KEY TAKEAWAYS:- How facing mortality can unlock deeper purpose- Transforming trauma into personal growth- Building resilience through adversity- Redefining identity after life-changing events- Finding strength in vulnerability- Achieving peak performance through alignment🔔 SUBSCRIBE for more conversations with world-class performers, thought leaders, and inspiring individuals who share their wisdom on purpose, performance, and personal growth.CONNECT WITH DAVID:Website: https://www.davidsmithathlete.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-smith-mbe-108a0719/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidsmithmbeCONNECT WITH PETER:Website: https://www.purposemade.uk/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeterbellLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-george-bell/READ THE NEWSLETTER:Subscribe on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7244349280012886020#Paralympics #PostTraumaticGrowth #Resilience #OlympicAthlete #PersonalDevelopment #MentalHealth #PurposeMadePodcast #PeakPerformance #Inspiration #Mindset Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

From MMA in Japan to investing billions in gaming, Peter Levin shares the untold story of how gaming will transform entertainment forever.* Learn the future of gaming most investors miss* Discover emerging market opportunities worth billions* Get insider insights on Netflix's gaming strategy📺 Watch Noe on YouTubeSubscribe for conversations with industry leaders transforming the world of entertainment, sport and more.▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ TIMESTAMPS ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬00:00 Peter's Journey from MMA to Gaming05:32 The Birth of Modern Gaming Investment12:45 Transforming Gaming: Fallout's Success Story18:20 The $200B Gaming Opportunity24:15 Why Netflix is Betting Big on Gaming31:40 The Truth About VR Gaming38:50 Future of Gaming: Emerging Markets45:30 What Most People Miss About Gaming's Future🎯 TODAY'S INSIGHTS:* Peter's unique career journey from managing top MMA fighters to becoming a leading investor in the global gaming ecosystem.* Inside story of Fallout's journey from game to streaming hit* Why emerging markets will reshape gaming's future* Netflix's strategic moves in gaming revealed💡 KEY TAKEAWAYS:* Gaming is larger than film, music, and publishing combined* 3.4 billion people play games for an hour daily* Why VR gaming isn't ready for prime time* The untapped potential in Middle East and Indian markets🔗 CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST:Griffin: https://griffingp.com/Peter Levin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-y-levin-8109a811/🤝 CONNECT WITH PETER & PURPOSE MADE:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeterbell/Website: https://www.purposemade.uk/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-george-bell/📝 JOIN THE CONVERSATION:What's your take on the future of gaming? Share your thoughts below!Use #PurposeMade #GamingFuture to join the discussionDive deep into the future of gaming with Peter Levin, Co-founder and Managing Director of Griffin, one of the world's leading gaming investment firms. From his early days revolutionising MMA promotion to transforming major gaming franchises like Fallout, Peter shares invaluable insights about gaming's evolution, emerging market opportunities, and why traditional media is being reshaped by gaming culture. Learn why gaming has become the world's most influential entertainment medium and how it's reshaping everything from streaming services to global entertainment.🎵 Music licensed from Lickd. The biggest mainstream and stock music platform for content creators.Praise You (Radio Edit) by Fatboy Slim, https://lickd.lnk.to/iQmcKMID License ID: 2Ep2XR35Y6dIf you want to use music from famous artists, try Lickd to get track credits and unlimited stock music: https://app.lickd.co/r/a84790aaef3c4471b1961789b219827a Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.