
The Design Of Business | The Business of Design
The Design of Business | The Business of Design explores how design shapes, and is shaped by, the world around us. Hosted by Ellen McGirt, the podcast features conversations with visionary leaders from a wide range of industries, from architecture and technology to journalism and retail. Together, they examine creative practices, challenge conventional thinking, and explore how design drives business, innovation, and social change.In Season 12 of DB|BD, host Ellen McGirt explores Designing for the Unknown—how visionary designers, architects, and thinkers navigate uncertainty, from climate adaptation to technological disruption. This season, we’re looking at the bold ideas reshaping our cities, industries, and ways of living in an unpredictable world.
Latest episodes

Jan 24, 2023 • 31min
S10E10: Kunal Kapoor
Kunal Kapoor is chief executive officer of Morningstar.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Jan 10, 2023 • 19min
S10E9.5: Minisode
Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza discuss past episodes featuring Norman Teague and Kim Erwin. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Dec 27, 2022 • 37min
S10E9: Kim Erwin
Kim Erwin is the Director of the Equitable Healthcare Lab and Associate Professor of Practice at IIT Institute of Design.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Dec 13, 2022 • 32min
S10E8: Norman Teague
Norman Teague is a designer and community builder who specializes in custom furniture design.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Nov 29, 2022 • 18min
S10E7.5: Minisode
In this month’s minisode Kaleena and Omari take a listen to past episodes featuring Richard Ting and Marcia Lausen. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Nov 15, 2022 • 26min
S10E7: Marcia Lausen
Marcia Lausen is Director of the UIC School of Design and founder of the Chicago office of Studio/lab.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Nov 1, 2022 • 33min
S10E6: Richard Ting
Richard Ting is the Vice President of Design for Revenue at Twitter.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Oct 18, 2022 • 19min
S10E5.5: Minisode
Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza discuss past episodes featuring Perrin Drumm, and Annie Atkins. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Oct 4, 2022 • 36min
S10E5: Annie Atkins
Annie Atkins is a graphic props designer for film and television.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Sep 20, 2022 • 29min
S10E4: Perrin Drumm
Perrin Drumm is a writer, editor, and head of publishing at A24.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!