
Sleeping Barber - A Marketing Podcast
Ready to rethink business strategy and supercharge your marketing game? Join hosts Marc Binkley and Vassilis Douros as they break down big questions at the crossroads of strategy, marketing effectiveness, and creative impact.
From real-world case studies to hot-off-the-press business news, each episode dives deep into how modern companies navigate complexity. Plus, interviews with global thought leaders bring you fresh insights and actionable strategies to drive growth and build unforgettable customer experiences.
This is your backstage pass to smarter thinking and better business results.
Latest episodes

Apr 14, 2022 • 1h 9min
SBP 005: Accounting metrics for marketers, with Dave Bunce.
Often, marketers are more likely to align with an organization's sales team; however, should they not be spending more time with another critical business unit, finance?
We welcome to the show Dave Bunce, CEO of Morphio, to discuss the language barrier between marketers and the accounting/finance departments. Dave's unique background in finance, operations and technology allows him to combine historically siloed functions to enable marketing teams to scale.
Join us as we dive into how marketers and finance professionals can work closer together, bridge the gap between the two disciplines, and ultimately drive more growth for their respective organizations.
Don't forget to tune into our post pod discussion, where we recap our discussion with Dave and outline our key takeaways.
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Learn more about our guest Dave Bunce, Morphio and its digital performance monitoring & insights tool.
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Our podcast page: Sleeping Barber Podcast
Connect with your hosts: Marc Binkley, Vassilis Douros
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Podcast Timestamps:
0:42 - Intro to Dave Bunce
2:40 - Why is there a language barrier in the boardroom?
5:30 - What are tangible and intangible assets?
9:07 - Why is marketing viewed as an expense, and what can marketers do to help change that perspective?
14:20 - How post-mortems can help finance and marketing collaborate
18:40 - Why short-term ROI is a troubling obsession
25:40 - Creating a better budgeting process
31:19 - Why finance may have an issue with sales teams
33:20 - How future cash flows can help marketers get support for long-term brand building
36:35 - Why marketers need to understand present value and risk
39:12 - How finance builds budgets
40:35 - Why marketing should ask to join finance’s capital budgeting process
43:10 - What questions should marketers ask of finance?
46:45 - Financial metrics marketers need to know
49:58 - Trends marketers should keep an eye on
53:06 - V & Marc post-pod discussion

Mar 31, 2022 • 1h 20min
SBP 004: What is brand, who owns it and how to measure it.
What is a five-letter word that can mean different things to different people in an organization? A term so controversial that carries a lot of ambiguity but at the same time drives so much value for a company, product, service or even individual. If you guessed brand, you are right!
In this episode of the Sleeping Barber Podcast, we discuss 'brand.' We attempt to define it while also discussing key topics like who owns it, what is it and how to measure it. We also reflect on our conversations with previous podcast guests, Mary Kyriakidi, Chris Walker and Roger Martin, to help articulate our thoughts. We hope you enjoy it!

Mar 17, 2022 • 1h 20min
SBP 003: Strategy, shareholder value and Galaxy Quest, with Roger Martin
Renowned strategic advisor and author, Roger Martin, discusses strategy, shareholder value, SWOT analysis, short-termism in decision-making, and challenging established business models. They also explore the importance of understanding the system, making the world a better place, and the role of anomalies in scientific revolutions.

Feb 18, 2022 • 1h 4min
SBP 002: Demand Generation and Lead Generation for B2B, Chris Walker
In this episode, we sit down with Chris Walker, CEO and founder of Refine Labs, to discuss the nuances of B2B marketing. The importance of lead and demand generation, vanity metrics and much more! Don't forget to stick around till the end when we discuss the key learnings from our conversation with Chris. Enjoy the show!

Feb 13, 2022 • 1h 16min
SBP 001: Kantar's Work on Brand Equity with Mary Kyriakidi
In this episode, we pull the curtain back on Kantar's work in defining brand equity and how to measure it. We sit down with Mary Kyrikidi, who holds the position of global thought leader at Kantar, to discuss the nuances of brand equity, the "brand power secret sauce," and are companies genuinely customer-centric? Make sure you stick around to the end, where we spend time discussing the key learnings.

Feb 11, 2022 • 56sec