Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!In this episode, Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss the vital role of relationships in ministry leadership. Tod emphasizes the importance of cultivating partnerships, friendships, and mentorships as essential sources of support and vulnerability. They explore the connection between relationships and self-reflection, particularly in navigating challenging leadership situations. With practical insights and personal anecdotes, this episode offers guidance on building a strong support network for leaders seeking to grow both their outer ministry and inner discipleship. Don't miss this enlightening conversation on the transformative power of relationships in leadership.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Tod Bolsinger in Episode 120: Forming Leadership Resilience."We need more relationships. If you do nothing else this year, ask yourself, 'Do I have the kinds of relationships that allow me to do vulnerable self-reflection?'" Ep. 120 is a conversation inspired by Tod Bolsinger's book, Tempered Resilience.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Jim Wilder, author of Renovated: God, Dallas Willard, and the Church That Transforms, discusses the role of the brain in spiritual formation. He highlights the importance of attachment love in developing relationships with God and others. Mutual mind, where subconscious processing aligns, plays a key role. The podcast explores becoming our true selves, finding peace through gratitude, and the significance of joy in spiritual formation.

Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss embracing the future while letting go of the past. They explore adaptive leadership and the work of the Church Leadership Institute. They emphasize the significance of relying on God, having hope, and the Lord's Supper. Valuable advice on transitioning and adapting core values is provided.

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Shannon Kiser is Director of Training and Coaching for Fresh Expressions North America and one of the pastors at Riverside Presbyterian Church in Sterling, Virginia.In this episode, we have a great conversation about how she and the congregation she pastors have experimented with new forms of church, as well as what they've learned in that process.  We also discuss how the Church Leadership Institute’s Adaptive Church Leadership Cohort can help you lean into the kind of experimentation that’s necessary when following the Holy Spirit into whatever new expressions of church you’re being led toward. THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Shannon Kiser is Director of Training and Coaching for Fresh Expressions North America and one of the pastors at Riverside Presbyterian Church in Sterling, Virginia.Fresh Expressions and the Church Leadership Institute together are trying to make sense of what it means to be a vital witness in the 21st century.Fresh Expressions is a movement that comes out of the UK where a traditional and heritage church was experimenting with what it looks like to engage in some experimental missions on the edges while still valuing the inherited church.Shannon Kiser says, according to Fresh Expressions, we don’t have to give up what we love and cherish about the inherited church to also experiment on the edges.Shannon Kiser describes how her church began experimenting with new ways of doing ministry, including opening a coffee shop for the community.A Fresh Expressions kind of ministry as Shannon describes can be messy.  The church doesn’t get to control the narrative.When things get messy, it’s important to be clear on your values so you know when to say yes and when to say no to opportunities that emerge.According to Shannon Kiser, it is possible for you to connect with a changing culture and yet still live out some of the rhythms and depth of the inherited church that feeds you.Churches have to cultivate a culture that is more ripe for experimentation, which then creates the field where new and fresh expressions of ministry can more easily grow.Fresh Expressions teaches as very simple journey.  It involves:Listening to your neighborsLoving our serving your neighbors based on what you have learnedBuilding community with your neighborsAllow a new form of church to emergeShannon Kiser explains how the Church Leadership Institutes Adaptive Capacity Cohort help churches engage this process.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Books mentioned:Canoeing the Mountains, by Tod BolsingerFreash Expressions:www.freshexpressions.comChurch Leadership InstituteAdaptive Church Leadership CohortClick HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!In this episode, Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson delve into the importance of understanding and empathizing with others' beliefs, especially in times of political and cultural polarization. They discuss the role of churches in bridging divisions and striving for unity, highlighting the need to move away from comfortable spaces and embrace discomfort as an opportunity for growth. With insights from leaders such as Jim Harrington and Allen Hilton, this episode offers valuable perspectives on creating a sense of shalom across diverse backgrounds.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Allen Hilton in Episode 135: Leading Your Church Through Political Division.“Our shalom job right now—in this place and time—is to get good at being together across difference.” Ep. 135 is a conversation about Allen Hilton's book, A House United: How the Church Can Save the World.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!How can we avoid burnout in ministry?Jason Young is a keynote speaker, coach, and consultant who helps churches and businesses thrive, and the co-author of Don’t Burn Out, Burn Bright.In this episode, Jason Young and Markus Watson get real specific about what can lead to burnout in ministry and what we can to do prevent it.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Jason Young is a keynote speaker, coach, and consultant who helps churches and businesses thrive, and the co-author of Don’t Burn Out, Burn Bright.Jason wants to help leaders, not only prevent burnout in ministry, but structure their lives and ministries in such a way that they truly thrive in all areas of life.“When discouragement creeps in, destruction is nigh.”According to Jason Young, burnout in ministry leadership is not inevitable.Control isolates.  Control rarely invites.Staff members want to know two things in their work:Will I be successful if I do this?What’s in it for me?Jesus, too, was motivated by what was in it for him.  Hebrews says it was “for the joy set before him” that he endured that cross.Jason Young discusses the connection between entanglements and burnout in ministry.According to Jason Young, leaders read too much.  Maybe leaders need to do less reading.Sometimes in all our reading and consuming of information, we may begin to forget the voice of God.In his early ministry years, Markus Watson wanted to attend lots of conferences.  In his middle ministry years, Markus took lots of classes.  At this stage of his ministry, Markus recognizes that he’s filled his mind with plenty of information; now he wants to pursue life experiences.Exhaustion and burnout in ministry leadership doesn’t show up suddenly; it creeps in and slowly drains you.“If God called you to ministry, it’s his.  And he would like for you to be openhanded with his ministry because he wants to trust you with more.”RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Book mentioned:Don’t Burn Out, Burn Bright, by Jason Young and Jonathan MalmJason Young:Catchfiredaily.comDrjasonyoung.comChurch Leadership InstituteClick HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss the transformative power of acknowledging and addressing our own pain as leaders. If our pain isn't transformed, it will be transmitted to others, potentially leading to harmful behaviors and dynamics within our ministries and organizations. By developing self-awareness, emotional health, and adaptive capacity, leaders can prioritize their mission over personal needs and avoid unconsciously inflicting pain on those they serve. This insightful conversation offers valuable insights and practical guidance for cultivating a healthy inner life of faithful discipleship and a healthy outer life of ministry leadership.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Tod Hall in Episode 136: Healthy Attachment and Spiritual Leadership.“If our pain isn’t transformed, it’s going to be transmitted.” Ep. 136 is a conversation about Todd Hall's book, The Connected Life.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Justin Bailey is associate professor of theology at Dordt University and the author of Interpreting Your World: Five Lenses for Engaging Theology and Culture.What is culture?  Sometimes people say we need to "resist culture."  But the language of resistance seems to be rooted in fear—and I don’t think we’re meant to react to our culture from a place of fear.Maybe engaging with culture as the church requires something else.  Maybe what it requires is interpretation.  And then, maybe it requires thoughtful response and engagement.In this episode, Justin Bailey helps us dig into these issues--including a really helpful conversation about cancel culture!THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Justin Bailey is associate professor of theology at Dordt University and the author of Interpreting Your World: Five Lenses for Engaging Theology and Culture.Justin’s books wants to help people understand their culture in a way that recognizes what isn’t life-giving, while also affirming that which is life-giving, generous, and generative.Justin Bailey offers two metaphors for understanding culture:Culture as a field or soil that nourishes and nurtures certain ideas and practices that can grow.Culture as a field of force in which certain things pull, push, and attract one in certain directions.Justin Bailey reflects on five lenses for interpreting culture:Meaning – How am I connected to the world around me?Power – Do I have real choices or am I at the mercy of greater powers?Ethics – What does it mean to be a good human?Religion – How do I face the anxiety of life and the certainty of death?Aesthetics – How do I live a life that is generative and beautiful?Outside the church, the lens that is most often used to interpret culture is the power lens.  But if this is the only lens we use, we will miss much of what is going on.Justin Bailey teaches students to analyze culture theologically in two movements:Movement 1 – From CultureMovement 2 – For CultureAccording to Justin Bailey, part of the work of ministry leadership is to discern, what might God’s Spirit be doing here in this culture to open people up to the Gospel?Justin Bailey discusses cancellation and complication as ways of responding to challenges within culture.The danger of an iconoclasm of cancellation is that we put ourselves up on the pedestals in the place of the thing we have dethroned.An iconoclasm of complication acknowledges that there is more than one story and things are more complicated than they once seemed.An iconoclasm of complication seeks to contextualize.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Books mentioned:Interpreting Your World: Five Lenses for Engaging Theology and Culture, by Justin BaileyJustin BaileyWebsiteTwitterClick HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson reflect on a quote from Rich Stearns focusing on courageious leadership, which often means disappointing your own people at a rate they can absorb. The conversation highlights the importance of leaders calling people to their better selves and standing up for what is right, even if it means facing challenges from within their own tribe. Tod Bolsinger also shares his insights on how to develop courage through healthy relationships with partners, friends, and mentors.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Rich Stearns in Episode 105: Courageous Leadership."Leaders have to make difficult decisions and difficult decisions require courage."Ep. 105 is a conversation about Rich Stearns' book, Lead Like it Matters to God.TIMESTAMPS:[00:01:12] Leadership requires the courage to disappoint your own people in order to fulfill the mission and make necessary changes.[00:03:28] Leaders must lead people through a process of transformation; without change, they are not needed. To reach the promised land, transformation took 40 years for Moses's people, but he had to be faithful and pass it down to the next generations. Leadership today requires courage to call on the better nature of people and lead them through transformation.Q&A:1. What challenges can people-pleasers face when they need to disappoint others, particularly their friends?Answer: People-pleasers can struggle with the fear of hurting their friends, and may feel an extra sense of obligation to keep them happy.2. How can people develop courage?Answer: Surrounding oneself with supportive and encouraging individuals who prioritize the mission over the individual can help develop courage.3. What is the role of disappointing people in adaptive leadership?Answer: Adaptive leadership involves making tough decisions that may disappoint one's own people for the sake of achieving a larger goal or mission.4. How can courage help in leadership?Answer: Courage is essential in leadership, as it allows leaders to call people to their better selves and stand up for what is right, even if it means facing challenges from their own community.5. What can "partners" and "friends" offer leaders in challenging situations?Answer: Partners should be more committed to the mission than to the individual, while friends should care about the person but be willing to provide honest feedback.6. What is the role of mentors in leadership?Answer: Mentors play a vital role in helping leaders be the best they can be in service of the larger mission.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!If you grew up in the church, you may have spent a lot of time thinking about things like the rapture and the mark of the beast.  Or about the Soviet Union’s  role in bringing the anti-Christ into the world.But is that what Revelation is really about?  Does Revelation say anything to us today?Scot McKnight and I discuss his book, Revelation for the Rest of Us--not only what it means to put Revelation in its historical context, but also how Revelation helps us today live as “dissident disciples."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Scot McKnight is professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary and author of Revelation for the Rest of Us.Scot read a lot of books about the end times when he was a young Christian.It wasn’t until he studied Jewish apocalyptic literature while working on his Ph.D. that Scot McKnight began to rethink what Revelation really is about.Revelation for the Rest of Us is not exactly a commentary, but it is meant to show us how to read the book of Revelation theologically.Scot McKnight explains that Revelation is a first-person account of a series of fantastic visions in which God shows that the suffering people of the world will experience justice, with special focus on the followers of Jesus who are suffering under the Roman Empire.Revelation tells us that the suffering people of the world are going to experience justice. And God is not asleep. God will awaken, in a sense, to act in this world to bring justice to those who are oppressed.Scot McKnight says the problem that John is addressing in Revelation is Babylon, or Rome, and its corruptions, and the fact that Babylon is creeping into the seven churches of Revelation 2 and 3.Those who follow the Lamb will by definition become dissidents and resistors to Babylon and its ways.Revelation is full of either-or language. The dragon is contrasted with the Lamb.  Babylon is contrasted with New Jerusalem. Followers of Jesus are contrasted with those who have the mark of the beast.The marks of Babylon include:  idolatry, emphasis on opulence, violence and murder, image and branding, militarism, economic exploitation, arrogance.Scot McKnight reflects on the ways pastors can lead today in a society that in some ways bears the marks of Babylon.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Scot McKnight:Substack articlesTwitter - @scotmknightFacebookBooks mentioned:Revelation for the Rest of Us, by Scot McKnightA Church Called Tov, by Scot McKnightThe Second Testament, by Scot McKnightGuide to Survival, by Salem Kirban The Late Great Planet Earth, by Hal LindseyLeft Behind, by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. JenkinsBeyond Thingification, by Markus WatsonSalvaClick HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.