
Defense Mavericks
Welcome to Defense Mavericks, the podcast that uncovers the untapped potential of AI within the federal government. Join us as we dive into authentic and disruptive conversations with our nation’s brightest minds, offering a fresh perspective on how to gain an unfair advantage through the adoption of new, emerging technology. Our goal is to equip you with the knowledge, education, and best practices you need to shorten the learning curve toward government transformation.
CDAO:
https://www.ai.mil/
Tradewinds AI:
https://www.tradewindai.com/
Latest episodes

Nov 14, 2023 • 41min
Breaking Ground in the Defense Industry with Alex Wulff, Ben Harpe, and Isaac Struhl
Today, Bonnie Evangelista sits down with the founders of Distributed Spectrum, Alex Wulff, Ben Harpe, and Isaac Struhl, to dive into their defense tech startup journey. They share their insights on developing a product for end users, the challenges of navigating defense contracts, and the importance of networking and seeking guidance from experienced founders. Tune in to learn from a group of young, driven entrepreneurs who are revolutionizing radio frequency sensing for warfighters.
TIMESTAMPS:
(4:45) How a serendipitous discovery led to a defense-focused product
(7:27) Understanding users can reshape your direction
(9:01) Developing a product for sale
(13:31) How to find success within the DoD with an early-stage idea
(16:36) Navigating the government sales process
(21:11) How to position yourself for a SBIR Phase III
(25:23) What is RF Vision technology?
(33:02) Why innovation has no age
(37:23) Tips for startups who want to sell to the government
LINKS:
Follow Alex: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-wulff/
Follow Ben: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-harpe-a94ba9148/
Follow Isaac: https://www.linkedin.com/in/isaac-struhl/
Follow Bonnie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-evangelista-520747231/
CDAO: https://www.ai.mil/
Tradewinds AI: https://www.tradewindai.com/

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Nov 7, 2023 • 36min
Using AI to Enhance Mission Effectiveness with Alex Miller
This week, Bonnie sits down with Alex Miller, Senior Science and Technology Advisor for the Army Chief of Staff, for a deep dive into data architecture, AI implementation, and the ever-evolving landscape of technology in the military. Alex shares his insights on the concept of data meshes, bridging the gap between tactical and strategic operations, and the need for continuous transformation. Tune in to explore the challenges and potential solutions to harnessing the power of AI while ensuring data integrity and mission effectiveness.
TIMESTAMPS:
(5:38) Bottoms-up versus top-down data architecture
(7:45) What is the difference between data mesh and data fabric?
(12:24) How to overcome the challenges of multiple standards
(15:08) AI has a sex appeal problem
(21:27) Structured versus unstructured data
(26:02) How to properly train generative AI
(29:37) Building a doctrine bot
(31:38) Removing the acquisition stigma around technology upskilling
LINKS:
Follow Bonnie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-evangelista-520747231/
CDAO: https://www.ai.mil/
Tradewinds AI: https://www.tradewindai.com/

Oct 31, 2023 • 32min
Scaling Technology Adoption with Mike Pansky
Mike Pansky, Chief Product Officer at IntelliBridge, sits down with Bonnie Evangelista this week to talk about how to keep up with and scale emerging technology. Mike shares his own journey navigating the challenging landscape of piloting, prototyping, and contracting new technology at scale in the DoD. Tune in to learn all about tangible strategies and tactics for incentivizing systems integrators and the DoD as a whole to bring the best technology forward.
TIMESTAMPS:
(1:56) Mike’s career path from defense to commercial tech
(4:27) What chokepoints to avoid when scaling a defense startup
(7:36) How to create quick entry points via piloting or prototyping
(10:07) How to identify the real “sherpas” in the department
(14:05) Is it fair to ask industry to be the knowledge source?
(18:00) Working with the right Systems Integrators
(24:24) Why the government can’t pivot fast
(28:00) Key wins we’re seeing in defense innovation
LINKS:
Follow Mike: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikepansky
Follow Bonnie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-evangelista-520747231/
CDAO: https://www.ai.mil/
Tradewinds AI: https://www.tradewindai.com/

Oct 26, 2023 • 35min
Streamlining Government Contracting (Bonnie’s Interview on Closing the Loop Podcast)
In this bonus episode, Bonnie Evangelista discusses the inefficiencies in government contracting and how we can leverage the power of AI and LLMs to reduce workflows from 3 months to 30 minutes. She shares insights on defining requirements, using the Tradewinds Solutions Marketplace, and getting clear on your value proposition. Tune in to this special crossover episode with Andrew Camel, VP of OpenView and host of Closing the Loop podcast, as they dive into the challenges of procurement workflows and the future of defense contracting.
TIMESTAMPS:
(2:15) How does government contracting work
(6:45) Opportunities to accelerate contracting timelines
(9:37) Why we need to stop defining requirements
(10:46) How to use the Tradewinds Solutions Marketplace
(20:05) Reducing workflows from months to minutes
(31:49) Advice for entrepreneurs wanting to sell to the government
LINKS:
Follow Andrew: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcamel/
Follow Bonnie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-evangelista-520747231/
Closing the Loop: https://ctlresearch.com/
CDAO: https://www.ai.mil/
Tradewinds AI: https://www.tradewindai.com/

Oct 24, 2023 • 38min
Incentivizing Change in the DoD with Lt. Gen. (ret.) Jack Shanahan
This week, retired Lieutenant General Jack Shanahan, the first director of the Joint Artificial Intelligence Center, joins Bonnie Evangelista to discuss the beginnings and momentum of the JAIC. They explore the challenges and hard work that paved the way for opportunities in AI and acquisition within the Department of Defense and the importance of building relationships, taking risks, replicating successes, and the ultimate goal of getting technology into the hands of warfighters. Tune in to hear Jack’s trailblazing journey in the DoD.
TIMESTAMPS:
(3:17) Why Project Maven was the “Big Bang” of AI at scale
(10:31) How the JAIC got started
(18:00) Letting go of what’s been done before
(20:12) How to empower your team to take risks
(24:04) Why incentive structures enable change
(27:21) The wake-up call the DoD needs
(30:01) How to build partnerships with startups
(33:12) Why you should have an obsession with the “customer”
LINKS:
Follow Jack: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackntshanahan/
Follow Bonnie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-evangelista-520747231/
CDAO: https://www.ai.mil/
Tradewinds AI: https://www.tradewindai.com/

Oct 17, 2023 • 21min
Scaling Bottom-Up Innovation with Captain Shawn Cooper
Captain Shawn Cooper, XVII Airborne Corps Innovation Officer, joins Bonnie Evangelista this week to talk about how the Corps is building connective tissue to support bottom-up innovation, scale soldier ideas, and integrate them with development partners across the DoD. He dives into managing soldiers’ time to innovate, maximizing your 20%, and identifying demand signals from your end users. Tune in to learn more about Shawn's journey and the exciting projects happening within the XVII Airborne Corps.
TIMESTAMPS:
(3:19) Shawn’s reputation as the “Apex Nerd”
(5:40) How Dragon’s Lair empowers problem-solving skills
(9:39) Using soldier-driven ideas as demand signals
(16:34) How to manage a soldier’s time to innovate
(17:04) The creation of the Innovation Officer Skill Identifier
(19:38) How to maximize the 20% that drives operational effectiveness
LINKS:
Follow Bonnie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-evangelista-520747231/
CDAO: https://www.ai.mil/
Tradewinds AI: https://www.tradewindai.com/

Oct 10, 2023 • 39min
Embracing Risk in Defense Tech with Lt. Gen. (ret.) Michael Nagata
This week, Bonnie Evangelista is joined by special guest, Lt. Gen. (ret.) Michael Nagata, former Director of Strategy for the National Counterterrorism Center and retired United States Army veteran with a storied 38-year career. Mike shares his insights on the importance of embracing technological military change and the need for collaboration between government and industry to create a risk-tolerant culture. Tune in to learn what it takes to prevail as a nation in this new technological era.
TIMESTAMPS:
(2:42) Spending 38 years in the Army
(8:34) Why Special Ops exists
(13:11) How AI tech challenges military leaders to adapt
(17:31) Why digital technology disrupts military affairs globally
(22:23) How to incentivize risk
(28:19) Government and Industry relationships must change drastically
(34:54) How to be solutions-based vs. requirements-based
(39:04) What leaders must do to embrace failure
LINKS:
Follow Mike: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-nagata-4241a419/
Follow Bonnie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-evangelista-520747231/
CDAO: https://www.ai.mil/
Tradewinds AI: https://www.tradewindai.com/

Oct 3, 2023 • 19min
Harnessing the Power of Solder-Driven Innovation with Bill Wilder, NCOIC, XVIII Airborne Corps Data Activities
This week, Bonnie Evangelista sits down with Bill Wilder, NCOIC for XVIII Airborne Corps Data Activities, to talk about the importance of bottoms-up military innovation. They talk about the current pipeline for soldier-oriented ideas and how it connects end-users with the resources needed to bring projects to life. Tune in to explore the world of military innovation and the vital role it plays in enhancing our defense capabilities.
TIMESTAMPS:
(2:49) Connecting end users to money and authorities
(4:26) Why soldier input is vital
(10:30) How to leverage funds for rapid change
(11:52) Why Minimum “Valuable” Products are key to focused execution
(13:09) Getting buy-in from Commanders
(18:17) XVIII Airborne Corps’ approach to change
LINKS:
Follow Bill: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-wilder-a87399177/
Follow Bonnie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-evangelista-520747231/
CDAO: https://www.ai.mil/
Tradewinds AI: https://www.tradewindai.com/

Sep 26, 2023 • 24min
Demystifying the Contracting World with Stephanie Wilson, Agreements Officer for Army Contracting Command Rock Island
Stephanie Wilson, Agreements Officer with the Army Contracting Command (ACC) Rock Island, joins Bonnie Evangelista to demystify contracting complexities. They discuss simplifying contracts, creating a common language, decentralizing decision-making, seeking ROI through nontraditional contracting, and finding your place in the industry.

Sep 19, 2023 • 23min
Cultivating Speed in Government Contracting with Vince Pecoraro, Lead Program Manager for DAF Digital Transformation Office
Vince Pecoraro, Lead Program Manager for DAF Digital Transformation Office, discusses the role of industry in lowering barriers, the need for a burning platform to accelerate action, and the impact of collaborating with the end user. He emphasizes the importance of a cultural shift, stopping hiding behind a desk, and seeing industry as a friend.
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