

The David Frum Show
The Atlantic
To defend democracy, one has to believe in it. To believe in democracy, one has to understand it. Where it came from. How it works. What’s true. What’s not. What others did before you. How it could be better. How to make a difference. Each week, The David Frum Show digs deep into the big questions people have about our society, explains the progress Americans have made together, and reminds us that the American idea is worth defending.
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Aug 20, 2025 • 57min
How ICE Became Trump’s Secret Army
Caitlin Dickerson, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter for The Atlantic, dives deep into the troubling transformation of U.S. immigration policy under Trump. She uncovers how the massive budget surge for ICE, increasing from $8 billion to $28 billion, has fueled mass detentions and empowered private-prison companies. Dickerson critiques how fear-based governance has reshaped American society, raising concerns about the integrity of law enforcement and the ethics of current immigration practices. Her insights shine a light on urgent issues within immigration enforcement.

Aug 13, 2025 • 43min
Why Housing Feels Hopeless
Glenn Kelman, CEO of Redfin and co-founder of Plumtree Software, discusses the dismal state of the U.S. housing market. He explains how pandemic-era mortgage rates have paralyzed both buyers and sellers, leaving many young people unable to purchase homes. The conversation dives into essential topics like zoning reform, immigration, and the aging of first-time homebuyers. Despite the challenges, Kelman remains hopeful for a brighter future if America can relearn how to build effectively.

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Aug 6, 2025 • 54min
Ukraine Won’t Surrender
Tim Mak, a Kyiv-based journalist and founder of The Counteroffensive, and Adrian Karatnycky, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, discuss Ukraine's unwavering spirit amidst U.S. political shifts. They analyze the evolving battlefield dynamics, highlighting the unity of the Ukrainian people and the importance of resisting any peace that capitulates to Russia. The conversation also covers President Zelensky's controversial anti-corruption initiatives, the rise of youth-led protests, and the complex interplay of U.S. support and Ukrainian nationalism in these turbulent times.

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Jul 30, 2025 • 56min
Trump’s Tariff Disaster
In this discussion, Doug Irwin, a trade historian from Dartmouth and author of 'Clashing Over Commerce', reveals how protectionist policies often backfire. He explains the unintended economic consequences of Trump's tariffs, which disproportionately affect lower-income citizens and harm trade relationships. Irwin also delves into the historical shifts in U.S. trade policy, emphasizing the dangers of abandoning the bipartisan free-trade consensus and the complexities of modern trade that challenge outdated views on tariffs and trade deficits.

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Jul 23, 2025 • 51min
The Fight for the Political Center
Ritchie Torres, a Congressman from New York's 15th District, shares his journey from public housing to Congress as a leading voice for centrism in the Democratic Party. He discusses the dangers of performative politics and the far-left's rise, stressing that intensity, not majority support, drives change. Torres emphasizes the need for a serious governing agenda to address America’s affordability crisis, underscoring the importance of decency and connection in political campaigns while navigating the complex dynamics within the party.

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Jul 16, 2025 • 1h 1min
The Wrecking of the FBI
Peter Strzok, a former FBI counterintelligence official and author, shares insights into the agency's turmoil during Trump's second term. He discusses how political pressures have led to the purging of experts and weakening of national security functions, leaving the U.S. vulnerable to foreign threats. Strzok also addresses the implications of Trump's controversial decisions regarding Jeffrey Epstein and his ongoing legal battle over his firing. The conversation sheds light on the shifting landscape of the FBI and the broader political fractures within Trump's base.

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Jul 9, 2025 • 52min
The Courts Won’t Save Democracy From Trump
George Conway, a former litigator and outspoken Trump critic, joins for a compelling discussion on the fragility of legal institutions in the Trump era. He shares his transformation from corporate attorney to activist, highlighting the unsettling reality that courts may fail to curb executive overreach. Conway emphasizes Congress's shortcomings in upholding its constitutional duties and critiques the judiciary's capability to rein in a president who disregards the law. This conversation sheds light on the broader implications of legislation impacting American rights and the economy.

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Jul 2, 2025 • 45min
Trump’s Betrayal of Ukraine
Bridget Brink, the former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine and a Democratic congressional candidate, shares her firsthand experiences from Kyiv during the early days of the Russian invasion. She discusses Trump’s inconsistent Ukraine policy and its dire consequences for U.S. foreign relations. Brink reveals the emotional and logistical challenges of working in a war zone, emphasizing the crucial need for U.S. support for Ukraine. The conversation highlights the broader implications of America’s historical role in global peace and the urgency of the upcoming election for Ukraine's future.

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Jun 25, 2025 • 48min
Why Do Billionaires Go Crazy?
Tina Brown, an acclaimed journalist and founder of the Fresh Hell Substack, joins to explore the strange world of billionaires. She reveals how extreme wealth can warp reality and lead to a sense of entitlement, illustrating these effects with her insights on Donald Trump's behavior. Brown discusses how philanthropy often serves as a tool for image enhancement rather than genuine altruism. The conversation also touches on the psychological toll of immense wealth and its impact on relationships and public perception, making for a thought-provoking listen.

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Jun 18, 2025 • 49min
What Comes Next for Iran?
Karim Sadjadpour, an expert on Iranian internal affairs from the Carnegie Endowment, discusses the pressing issues facing Iran today. He delves into the survival instincts of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei and the regime’s obsession with martyrdom and repression. The conversation highlights the disconnect between the Islamic Republic's revolutionary slogans and the aspirations of its people. They explore the high stakes of Iran's nuclear ambitions and the inner turmoil within the regime, offering insights into possible futures for the country.