The David Frum Show

Marty Baron, former Executive Editor of The Washington Post, reflects on his pivotal role during the Trump era. He discusses the increasing pressures on news organizations, including corporate intimidation and retaliatory lawsuits. The conversation highlights the erosion of public trust in journalism, exacerbated by ideological homogeneity and a disconnect from working-class America. Baron also critiques how Trump's policies have transformed media accountability and the importance of maintaining integrity in a rapidly evolving political landscape.

Joining the discussion is George Packer, a Staff writer at The Atlantic, known for his insightful coverage of American society and foreign policy. They dive into J.D. Vance’s dramatic political shift from reflective memoirist to a figure of controversy. Packer questions whether Vance genuinely believes in his new rhetoric or if he's simply catering to power demands. The conversation also touches on the evolving nature of political corruption and extortion, drawing parallels between Vance’s identity and loyalty within the current political landscape.

Ambassador Susan Rice, former National Security Advisor under Obama, joins to discuss the alarming disintegration of national-security processes during Trump's presidency. Rice highlights the perils of 'Signalgate' and the absence of a full-time national security adviser. She raises concerns about a $400 million jet gifted by Qatar, revealing the broader implications for America's alliances and the rule of law. The conversation underscores the critical need for accountability in governance and the risks posed to national security by informal leadership practices.

Shashi Tharoor, a prominent Indian Member of Parliament and advocate for secular politics, joins the discussion on recent geopolitical tensions. They dive into Trump's 'week of the four scams,' examining accusations of misinformation surrounding trade deals and a jet from Qatar. Tharoor sheds light on the delicate India-Pakistan ceasefire and critiques the Trump administration's role in peace efforts. The conversation also touches on the ethical dilemmas posed by foreign influences in U.S. politics, particularly regarding the impact of rising nationalism in India.

Anne Applebaum, a Pulitzer Prize-winning writer for The Atlantic and expert on democracy, joins to discuss the startling corruption during the Trump presidency. They explore how authoritarian regimes undermine institutions and the personal cost of political polarization, particularly the loss of friendships. The conversation also touches on the erosion of trust in politics and the importance of reconciliation in fostering unity. Applebaum's insights into contemporary challenges illuminate the broader implications for democracy today.

In this episode of The David Frum Show, The Atlantic’s David Frum discusses how misinformation, distrust in science, and extremist rhetoric are fueling a deadly resurgence of preventable diseases in the United States—and urges clear and responsible leadership to protect public health. He’s then joined by Alan Bernstein, the director of global health at the University of Oxford, to examine the long-term consequences of the right’s war on science and vaccine research. Finally, David answers listener questions on creating laws to counter Donald Trump’s norm violations, on David’s confidence in the future of free and fair elections, and on how to teach civics to high schoolers in the Trump era. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Peter Keisler, former Acting Attorney General under George W. Bush, joins to discuss the alarming erosion of due process in the Trump era. He highlights the unjust detention of immigrants and the legal vacuum they're thrown into. The conversation dives deep into the Supreme Court's rulings on executive overreach and the serious implications for civil liberties. Keisler also reflects on navigating his conservative roots while advocating for constitutional values, emphasizing the pressing need for reform and individual civic engagement in upholding democracy.

Doug Ford, the Premier of Ontario, sheds light on the complex relationship between Canada and the U.S. amid Trump's aggressive trade policies. He discusses the challenges of reshoring manufacturing and the risks of oversimplified political promises. Ford reflects on how Trump's rhetoric has emotionally impacted Canadians, emphasizing the need for cooperation over protectionism. The conversation touches on Canada's advancements in manufacturing and clean energy, while underscoring the importance of citizen engagement to counter political extremism.

Rahm Emanuel, a seasoned political operative who served as White House chief of staff, shares invaluable lessons from the 2008 financial crisis and critiques contemporary Democratic strategies. He emphasizes the importance of honest information to rebuild trust in U.S. foreign relations, particularly post-tariff policies. Emanuel also discusses the fragile dynamics with allies like Japan and China, urging collaboration across political lines to navigate economic turbulence and address failures in education and infrastructure that undermine the American dream.

To defend democracy, one has to believe in it. To believe in democracy, one has to understand it. Where it came from. How it works. What’s true. What’s not. What others did before you. How it could be better. How to make a difference. Each week, The David Frum Show digs deep into the big questions people have about our society, explains the progress Americans have made together, and reminds us that the American idea is worth defending. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer Prize–winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices