The Buzz

Can a sport built on dirtbag ethos survive the arrival of real money? In this end-of-year special, Buzz gathers Zoë Rom, coach Scott Johnston, Western States race director Craig Thornley, and FKT manager Allison Mercer to make sense of 2025. They dig into the paradox of professionalization, $275 super shoes, UTMB live broadcasts, Ironman private equity, while Zoë points to the data that says the grassroots still holds: only 1.7% of trail runners actually race, backyard ultras are booming, and FKTs remain just you and a GPS watch. Scott Johnston talks weighted vest training and speaks with rare compassion about the CCC doping scandal. Craig reveals Killian is returning to Western States in 2026 and announces the historic rule change allowing poles after 53 years, driven not by elite concerns but by accessibility for the back of the pack. Allison celebrates a year of dominant women's performances, while Zoë asks the uncomfortable questions about OnlyFans sponsorships: why is it easier for a platform associated with adult content to support female athletes than it is for endemic brands? And Buzz wonders, when did vomiting and hallucinating become something to brag about? Chapters: 00:00 – Intro 01:24 – Zoë Rom on the paradox of professionalization 11:17 – Scott Johnston on training Tom Evans and Ruth Croft 18:40 – Craig Thornley on Western States' historic men's race 27:12 – Allison Mercer on dominant women's performances 38:30 – Zoë on OnlyFans and sponsorship equity 49:18 – Scott on the CCC doping scandal 56:19 – Craig on poles, traction devices, and rule changes 1:00:23 – Chris Myers' scuba mask river crossing 1:04:02 – Buzz on glorifying suffering This episode is brought to you by Arc'teryx. The Norvan 4 Nivalis—full Gore-Tex cover, ankle gaiter, actually dry feet. Learn more at arcteryx.com. The Buzz is part of the UltraSignup Podcast Network. Find all our shows at ultrasignup.com/podcasts.

Camille Herron is the only athlete to win all three IAU Ultra World Championship distances, the only person to win both Comrades and Spartathlon, and the holder of world records from 50 miles to six days. But beyond the numbers, Herron is a scientist with a master's degree in exercise and sports science, a recently diagnosed autistic and ADHD athlete, and someone who has navigated more than her share of controversy. In this wide-ranging conversation with Buzz Burrell, Herron opens up about everything: her unconventional training philosophy of short, frequent runs over grinding long miles; the metabolic testing that revealed her unusual fat oxidation capacity; how neurodivergence has been both a superpower and a challenge in her career; and why, at 43, she's feeling more free and energized than ever, even without sponsors. The conversation doesn't shy away from harder topics. Herron addresses the Wikipedia controversy that cost her the Lululemon partnership, framing it as retaliation for her role as a sports whistleblower who has made multiple reports to USATF and the IAU. She also reflects on watching her records fall to Tara Dower and Caitriona Jennings with genuine enthusiasm, celebrating what she sees as a new era for women in ultrarunning. Whether you're here for the training insights, the fueling science, or the candid discussion of navigating public scrutiny, this episode offers a rare, unfiltered look at one of the most accomplished and polarizing figures in ultrarunning history. FOR MORE CONTEXT: The Wikipedia controversy referenced in this episode was first reported by Canadian Running Magazine in September 2024 and led to coverage in Runner's World, Women's Health, and other outlets. Herron's husband Conor Holt released a statement taking responsibility for the Wikipedia edits. Herron maintains her own account of events on her website.

Molly Seidel, Olympic marathon bronze medalist and elite distance runner, discusses her journey from the road to trails after overcoming injury. She candidly shares the pressure of dropping out of the NYC Marathon, critiques the culture of pain in endurance sports, and reflects on her identity outside of running. Molly dives into the technical challenges of trail running, her goals for the Black Canyon race, and the importance of integrity in sports amid doping concerns. With honesty and humor, she reveals her exciting new chapter in ultra running.

This week on The Buzz, Buzz Burrell sits down in Moab, fresh off the finish of the Moab 240, with newly crowned Triple Crown champion Kilian Korth. In a season that redefined what's possible in ultrarunning, Kilian swept the 200-mile series, Tahoe, Bigfoot, and Moab, setting a new cumulative record and proving that success is built on years of setbacks. He opens up about how pulmonary edema, DNFs, and near-collapse moments became the foundation for his breakout year, why he prioritizes rest and recovery over mileage, and how a six-minute dirt nap can reboot the brain mid-race. From efficient aid-station strategy to fueling exclusively on simple sugars for nearly 60 hours, Kilian breaks down the methodical mindset behind running 200s fast—and the humility it takes to get there. He and Buzz talk sleep deprivation, hallucinations, and the mental games required to stay focused through multiple nights on foot. Plus, Kilian reveals his plans for 2026: the Cocodona 250 and a shot at the Colorado Trail FKT. Whether you're dreaming of your first 100 or fascinated by the world of multi-day racing, this episode is a masterclass in resilience, efficiency, and the art of going long.

Kilian Jornet, a world-class mountain and ultra runner, shares insights from his incredible journey of tackling 72 U.S. 14ers in just 31 days. He details the physical and mental challenges he faced, the intricacies of planning such an ambitious project, and how running with locals enriched his experience. Kilian also reflects on the differences between European and American mountain cultures, the vital importance of public land access, and the enduring connection he feels to nature across the globe.

In this episode of The Buzz, Buzz Burrell sits down with ultrarunning icon and race director Candice Burt, the woman who put 200-mile races on the map. From founding the Triple Crown of 200s to tackling self-supported FKT attempts on Colorado's infamous Nolan's 14, Candice has redefined what "too far" really means. They talk about what it takes to stay awake and moving for days on end, the psychology of pushing beyond comfort, and why even the most seasoned athletes need to respect the line between adventure and danger. Candice opens up about her 200-day streak of running 50Ks, the creation of the Arizona Monster 300, and what she's learned from organizing and rescuing runners in some of the toughest races on Earth. Together, Buzz and Candice explore how sleep, fear, and risk shape performance, and why the most meaningful endurance challenges aren't just about suffering, but about self-reliance, courage, and curiosity. Thanks to Arc'teryx for supporting The Buzz!

Public lands are where we run, where our races unfold, and where many of us feel most at home. But what happens when those protections are rolled back? In this episode of The Buzz, Buzz Burrell talks with Kat Baker, Executive Director of Runners for Public Lands, about the fight to keep 58 million acres of Forest Service land under the Roadless Rule, why iconic races like Western States, Wasatch, and Hardrock depend on these protections, and how runners can step up as stewards. Kat shares how RPL is rallying race directors, mapping where courses overlap with roadless areas, and helping runners become partners for land managers under strain. We also explore what runners can learn from climbers and other outdoor groups who've earned their seat at the advocacy table. If you've ever laced up on a forest trail, this conversation is for you. Public lands aren't guaranteed, they're a gift we all share responsibility for. 🔗 Learn more and join RPL: runnersforpubliclands.org 📅 September 28 is National Public Lands Day - free admission to all U.S. National Parks. This episode of The Buzz is presented by Arc'teryx, supporting stewardship and access to the places we run.

At this year's UTMB, it wasn't just about who won, it was about what the event has become. In this episode of The Buzz, host Buzz Burrell talks with longtime running journalist Brian Metzler about the transformation of UTMB Week into the sport's most competitive race series, biggest trade show, and all-out cultural festival. From Jim Walmsley's sprint finish at OCC, to Courtney Dauwalter's gritty 10th-place finish at UTMB, to Ruth Croft's commanding win, Buzz and Brian break down the racing itself before zooming out to ask what all the brand activations, media attention, and 175 million livestream views mean for the future of trail running. Thanks to Arc'teryx for supporting the podcast! If you enjoyed this episode, check out the rest of the UltraSignup Podcast Network. The Trailhead with Zoë Rom and Brendan Leonard brings humor, heart, and a love of running culture to every episode, and Between Two Pines offers offbeat, laugh-out-loud conversations with Dom Grossman and Andy Pearson. And now, both The Buzz and The Trailhead are on YouTube, so you can listen on the run or watch from home.

Take our listener survey! What does it take to thrive at the top of ultrarunning today? In this episode of The Buzz, Buzz Burrell sits down with Jeff Mogavero, fresh off his blazing Western States debut and heading into UTMB, to talk about how training has evolved from "just running when it feels good" to heat chambers, high-carb fueling, and precision hydration. Jeff shares the story of running in 110°F rooms with his pacer "Peanut," experimenting with 150 grams of carbs per hour, and why European races feel like the Tour de France compared to the costumed chaos of U.S. aid stations. He also reflects on directing his grassroots race in Missoula, balancing community with professional ambitions, and why UTMB still "has his soul." From croissants in Chamonix to chainsaw-wielding fans at Sierre-Zinal, this is a wide-ranging conversation about what's changing, and what still grounds the sport we love. Thanks to Arc'Teryx for supporting The Buzz!

Take our listener survey! It only takes five minutes, and you help us make better podcasts. Adventure runner Fritz Sitte isn't chasing podiums, he's chasing experiences. In this episode of The Buzz, Fritz joins Buzz Burrell to share the story of his 6,400-mile, eight-month run from Cape Town to the northern tip of Africa, completed alongside his brother on a bicycle. They talk about the challenges of covering a continent without motorized support, the life lessons learned from protecting their relationship on the road, and why lowering your boundaries (and your pace) can lead to deeper cultural connections. Fritz also gives a preview of his next big project: running the length of Germany to set an FKT while raising money for refugee education, plus a possible attempt in the Atacama Desert. Along the way, they dig into the philosophy of "meaningful meaninglessness," the value of strength training for long efforts, and why you don't have to run 100K a day to make a journey run worthwhile. If you've ever dreamed about ditching the race bib for an open-ended adventure, this conversation might just convince you to take that first step. Thanks to Arc'teryx for supporting The Buzz!