

The Genetics Podcast
Sano Genetics
Exploring all things genetics. Dr Patrick Short, University of Cambridge alumnus and CEO of Sano Genetics, analyses the science, interviews the experts, and discusses the latest findings and breakthroughs in genetic research. To find out more about Sano Genetics and its mission to accelerate the future of precision medicine visit: www.sanogenetics.com
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Jul 6, 2023 • 38min
EP102: Dr. Marco Schmidt, founder and Chief Scientific Officer of BioTx.ai, on how to use artificial intelligence and machine learning in genomics research
0:00 Intro
0:45 The founding of BioTx.ai
4:35 How do algorithms for ‘causal inference’ work?
6:30 Modeling gene interactions for genetic disorders
8:35 How to predict gene interactions
10:30 What happens after identifying a potential gene variant or interaction?
14:35 How can you use machine learning to determine causal relationships between gene variants and disease?
17:30 Deconvoluting genes and traits, and their impacts on effect size
19:20 Key ingredients in determining causal relationships: data and computational power
21:10 Limitations of using machine learning to find genetic determinants of rare diseases
24:30 Predicting clinical outcomes with Biotx.ai
28:05 Machine learning enhances efficiency in the pre-clinical phase
29:40 Population genomics in Germany
32:50 Marco’s career decisions – starting a company vs. continuing in academia
35:50 The pros and cons of industry
38:10 The gaps in industry and academia
41:20 Closing remarks

Jun 22, 2023 • 28min
EP101: Fostering international progress towards personalised medicine with Dr. Bettina Lundgren, CEO of the Danish National Genome Center
Join Patrick in welcoming Dr. Bettina Lundgren, CEO of the Danish National Genome Center. Bettina is spearheading the development of personalised medicine in Denmark with a focus on integrating genome sequencing directly into the healthcare system. She is dedicated to fostering international collaboration in research and healthcare delivery. Tune in to learn about the one of the leading national scale genomics initiatives, and Bettina’s r insights on the future of personalised medicine!
0:00 Intro
0:56 Bettina’s path to genomics
1:47 Aspirations of the Danish National Genome Center
4:18 Comparing the Danish National Genome Center to other global genomics programs
8:10 Goal to sequence 60,000 whole genomes by 2024
11:40 The biggest challenges of integrating genomics with healthcare
15:30 Navigating the politics of privacy and data sharing
20:02 Complexities of sharing data across diverse regions and healthcare systems
23:28 Partnerships across borders: Sweden, Europe, and the world
28:10 Looking forward 10 years: strategies and novel developments in personalised healthcare
31:25 Final Thoughts
32:37 Outro

Jun 8, 2023 • 44min
EP100: Decoding DNA and engineering biology: perspectives on the future of genomics with Dr. Matthew Hurles, Director of the Wellcome Sanger Institute.
In this milestone episode, we welcome Dr Matthew Hurles, geneticist and pioneer in the field of human genomics. Dr Hurles has dedicated his career to unravelling the secrets hidden within our DNA, as well as harnessing cutting-edge research to revolutionise our understanding of genetic disorders, human evolution, and the potential for personalised healthcare.
Join Patrick and Matt as they delve into the frontiers of genomic science, from the implications of newborn screenings to emerging technologies and the transforming role of researchers.
0:00 Intro
1:55 Genetics in the ’90s compared to genetics today
4:30 Work-life balance in science
8:00 Deciphering Developmental Disorders (DDD) study
13:10 New technologies in genome sequencing
14:45 How far are we from using next-generation sequencing as standard for diagnosing rare disease?
17:10 The Industrialization of genomics research
21:10 Will we move to a world where everyone is sequenced at birth?
25:20 Uses for cellular assays in healthcare and research
27:15 Bridging the gap between rare and common diseases
31:35 Birth cohorts and newborn screening studies
33:30 The power of early diagnosis and intervention with genomics
36:30 Open access databases
38:40 Advice for early-career researchers
41:20 Future directions for the Wellcome Sanger Institute
43:30 Applications of artificial intelligence and machine learning in genomics
45:30 Thank you
46:50 Outro

May 25, 2023 • 45min
EP99: Exploring the frontiers of cancer research with Dr. Harold E Varmus
Join us for EP99 of The Genetics Podcast as Patrick dives into the extraordinary career and work of Dr. Harold E Varmus, a Nobel laureate scientist, former director of the National Institutes of Health, president of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Centre, and director of the National Cancer Institute.
Join Patrick and Harold as they navigate the complex landscape of cancer, from advancements that have revolutionized the field to diversity in cancer research and the Polyethnic-1000 Genome Project. This compelling episode is punctuated by Harold’s personal reflections, and invaluable learnings from his career.
1:27 Why a Beowulf quote made its way into Harold’s Nobel Prize acceptance speech
2:28 How it feels to hear you have won a Nobel Prize
4:04 How did fulfilling a national responsibility during the Vietnam War lead to a Nobel Prize
7:54 Areas of cancer research that are moving forward, and areas that are more stubborn
9:44 The formidable hurdle of metastasis
11:00 The educational power of COVID
12:33 Cancer and evolution: why is cancer so difficult?
14:50 Introducing the Polyethnic-1000 Genome Project
19:35 Working with WHO to ensure genomic technologies are accessible to all
23:03 What are the biggest blockers to the widespread adoption of genomics?
26:00 Context switching: From ‘deep’ science to stepping into the role of director
28:50 Learnings on how science is funded and coordinated
33:05 Discussing the allocation of funding: small grants Vs. large, coordinated efforts
36:16 Co-founding PLoS and PubMed Central
39:49 Accelerating the shift towards more open science
44:44 Just how close are we to curing cancer?
48:00 Studying cancer rates in mammalian species

May 11, 2023 • 39min
EP 98: Cancer, ageing, and somatic mutation variation across mammals with Alex Cagan (Wellcome Sanger Institute)
In this episode, Patrick is joined by Alex Cagan, a Postdoctoral Fellow in the Cancer, Ageing and Somatic Mutation programme at the Wellcome Sanger Institute, specialising in evolutionary processes in somatic tissue. Tune in as Alex walks us through a fascinating new study, years in the making, looking at somatic mutation rates across 16 mammalian species, spanning 30-fold in lifespan and around 40,000-fold in body mass. This work sheds light on fundamental questions in cancer and ageing across the tree of life.
0:00 Intro
6:00 Collaborating with the London Zoo, and the challenges of sourcing tissue from long-living animals
9:06 Why are naked mole rats so important to the cancer and ageing community?
11:32 The scale and breadth of species sampled in the study
14:53 Is there a ceiling to how many mutations an organism can tolerate?
17:53 Why are intestinal crypts so effective for sequencing somatic mutations?
20:44 Key learnings from driving a 5-year study into somatic evolution
22:46 Are there really any “immortal” species, and what are they?
25:19 Why are cancer rates lower in larger species, and is this related to lower mutation rates, DNA error correction or both?
27:24 Investigating transmissible cancers in Chernobyl
29:40 Is cancer everywhere in the tree of life?
31:23 Alex talks about applying his talent for illustration to science
38:56 The Sanger Tree of Life program, the Darwin Tree of Life project, and the bright future ahead for research on somatic mutations
40:14 Outro
Find out more about the study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04618-z

Apr 26, 2023 • 1h
EP 97: Proteomics deep dive with Cindy Lawley (Olink)
In this episode, Patrick is joined by Cindy Lawley, Senior Director of Population Health at Olink Proteomics and co-host of the Proteomics in Proximity podcast. Cindy has worked with major population genomics programs, including the UK Biobank, to bring together proteomics, genomics, and deep phenotyping using the Olink platform.
Olink is one of the most promising proteomics technologies on the market, and the platform has been used in >1,000 publications, including landmark work in the UKBiobank to integrate genomics and proteomics.
The largest Olink assay currently covers around 3,000 proteins, and the scale continues to grow, while costs are decreasing, paving the way for larger integrated proteomic and genomic data sets in the future.
Join Cindy and Patrick for this 45-minute episode as they explore:
how population-scale proteomics is driving novel discoveries
different proteomics technologies, cost and throughput trajectories, and what is on the horizon
surprising findings from longitudinal sampling of proteins
And much more.
If you would like to hear more from Cindy, listen to the Proteomics in Proximity podcast when you follow the link below.
https://podfollow.com/1645900688

Apr 13, 2023 • 51min
EP 96: CEO of Montai Health, Margo Georgiadis, talks the intersection of nature and AI
Food is medicine. And leveraging its power to heal isn’t a new concept.
In fact, roughly 50% of all small-molecule medicines are derived from nature.
But what if we could use AI to better understand the biology of the millions of molecules humans already consume? What if we could then apply this information to identify new treatments for chronic diseases?
This week, we’re welcoming the CEO of Montai Health, Margo Georgiadis, to the podcast to discuss their AI platform that uses literature and wet lab experiments to analyse “the most privileged chemistry on Earth” to find new treatments for chronic diseases.
Join Patrick and Margo for this hour-long episode, as they explore how Montai is leveraging technology to develop medicines based on the chemistry of food. From why ‘Anthromeolecules’ represent an abundant source of opportunities for drug discovery to the potential for AI to accelerate drug discovery and healthcare, this jam-packed episode celebrates the intersection of nature and technology.
After listening to this hour-long episode, you will:
understand Anthromolecules, and how the millions of molecules we already consume could be developed into new medicines
know how AI can be leveraged to build a ‘ChatGPT’ to learn the language of biology and chemistry
recognise Margo’s journey into biotech and healthcare, from her roots in the tech industry

Mar 31, 2023 • 39min
EP 95: Resharing Eric Topol on how Machine Learning & AI can Contribute to the Future of Healthcare
Progress in AI is accelerating, and the potential in healthcare and precision medicine is enormous.
In 2019, we had the pleasure of speaking with Dr Eric Topol, author of ‘The Patient Will See You Now’ and ‘Deep Medicine’.
Eric has had an incredible career which has been largely focused on researching cardiovascular disease and heart attacks, both of which he worked on in the Cleveland Clinic and Scripps Institute.
Now, we’re reposting the interview as the conversation is more relevant than ever. Join Patrick and Eric as they discuss wireless medicine and the role of artificial intelligence and machine learning in medicine and healthcare.

Mar 16, 2023 • 45min
EP 94: Alnylam’s Dr Paul Nioi on how genetics is used in drug target discovery
“We’re pioneering the ability to detect genetic disease earlier, and actually intervene in a way that is going to help those patients.”
In this jam-packed 45-minute episode, we’re joined by Dr Paul Nioi, Vice President of Discovery and Translational Research at Alnylam Pharmaceuticals and Chair of the Founders Board for Our Future Health.
Join Patrick and Paul as they expose the two major reasons that 90% of clinical drug development fails, and why many believe that embedding genetics into target discovery and validation can increase the success rate of trials by 2-5 times.
They also deep-dive into:
the evolution of population genomics: from Iceland's DECODE to the UK Biobank
examples of the value of recontact-by-genotype studies in supporting safety studies for novel targets, evidenced by the recontact of an ultra-rare homozygous loss-of-function carrier of the gene HAO1
the next chapter in population genomics that’s pioneering the ability to detect genetic diseases earlier
the challenges of recontacting participants in biobanks and avoiding overwhelming the healthcare system, whilst responsibly handling patients’ sensitive data
Alnylam’s work to develop therapeutics for genetic diseases based on RNAi, the discovery that was awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine or Physiology in 2006
Tune in to benefit from Paul’s invaluable insights and expertise, which are coloured with practical examples from his career throughout.
After listening to this 45 minute episode, you will:
recognise the role of genetics in supporting the safety and efficacy of novel targets in clinical development
understand the evolution of population genomics and what’s next
understand how RNAi works, and how it differs from gene editing and other forms of next-generation therapies

Jan 24, 2023 • 41min
EP 93: International Perspectives on Access to Genetic Testing in ALS
Access to genetic testing for patients with genetic diseases, such as ALS, can vary dramatically based on country and postcode.
For an ALS patient considering genetic testing in Canada, the reality of their federally-funded healthcare system is a far cry from the general perception.
In the US, genetic testing access and cost varies widely between community healthcare settings, and academic research centers.
And in the UK, accessibility to genetic testing can be a simple matter of geography.
In this webinar, Paul Wicks leads the discussion with Professor Ammar Al-Chalabi, Dr Patrick Short and Kristina Salmon on international perspectives on genetic testing for ALS. The lessons from this discussion apply not just to ALS, but the hundreds of other rare and common genetic diseases where access to genetic testing is a challenge for patients, healthcare providers, and researchers.