
Knowledge for Teachers
In the Knowledge for Teachers podcast, host Brendan Lee will be chatting to researchers, teachers and experts about what evidence-informed education is and the nuances involved with actually implementing effective and sustainable school based education.
Latest episodes

Dec 14, 2024 • 56min
S02E23 - Dr. Zach Groshell and Brendan Lee on Effective School Leadership
In this episode, Brendan Lee speaks with Dr. Zach Groshell for the third of their trilogy of conversations together. In their first episode, they unpacked the nuances of teaching effectively. In the second one, they spoke about coaching, culture and change. In today’s podcast, you will hear them discuss the complex world of school leadership! They explore the key elements that contribute to a positive and productive school culture. From going beyond superficial evaluation methods to building a diverse team that leverages everyone's strengths, they cover a range of important topics that will help school leaders create a thriving learning environment for both students and teachers.
Zach’s four points were:
Leaders need to start minimizing evaluations and start maximizing teacher performance
Leaders should view behavior as a system that involves everyone, including them
Leaders don’t have to be the best teachers on earth, but they do have to know something about instruction
Leaders should move away from one-off PD as the primary means of teacher training.
Brendan’s 4 points were:
Leaders need to have their fingers on the pulse
Clear Communication is key
Leaders need to build a diverse team
Good leaders don't care about who is right or wrong
Resources mentioned:
Zach’s newly released book: Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching
Viviane Robinson - Reduce change to increase improvement
Daniel Kahnemann - Thinking, Fast and Slow
Progressively Incorrect S4E10: Nathaniel Swain, Steven Capp, and Katie Roberts-Hull on Harnessing the Science of Learning
You can connect with Zach:
Twitter: @mrzachg
Podcast: Progressively Incorrect
Website: educationrickshaw.com
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast
A Systematic and Structured Approach to Teaching Primary Mathematics - 10 hr Online (Live) Course
While there’s been strong momentum for the science of reading, what about maths?
In this course, I will explore what the research reveals about effective maths instruction, highlighting the importance of aligning teaching with how learning happens. Across these sessions, I will go beyond summarising research and delve into practical implications, showing teachers how to bring these concepts to life in the classroom. Highly interactive, the sessions will offer plenty of opportunities for teachers to engage, practice, and respond.
More info
https://www.learnwithlee.net/a-systematic-and-structured-approach-to-teaching-primary-mathematics/
10% off Discount code: MATESRATES

Nov 30, 2024 • 1h 13min
S02E22 - Dr. Leslie Laud - Implementation Science Meets Writing Instruction: ThinkSRSD's Journey to Scalability and Impact
Dr. Leslie Laud, Founding Director of ThinkSRSD, brings nearly two decades of experience in writing education. In this engaging conversation, she delves into the transformative Self-Regulated Strategy Development framework, emphasizing effective mnemonics and structured routines. Dr. Laud discusses the pressing need for professional development tailored to teachers' unique contexts and shares strategies for smoothly implementing writing instruction. She also highlights how self-assessment and genre understanding can empower students, paving the way for innovative writing practices across grade levels.

Nov 16, 2024 • 1h 33min
S02E21 - Dr. Nathaniel Swain On Prioritising What Matters: A Deep Dive into the Science of Learning
Dr. Nathaniel Swain, author of 'Harnessing the Science of Learning', returns to discuss how to prioritize effective teaching in schools. He advocates for reclaiming instructional time lost to distractions and emphasizes a knowledge-rich curriculum essential for literacy and numeracy. The conversation delves into making learning engaging and fun while maintaining structure. Swain also highlights challenges in implementing change and shares insights on effective math and literacy instruction, urging educators to balance explicit teaching with student engagement.

Oct 26, 2024 • 1h 4min
S02E20 - Dr. Zach Groshell and Brendan Lee on coaching, culture and change
This is the second conversation between Dr. Zach Groshell and Brendan Lee. For those that don’t know, Zach is the host of the Progressively Incorrect Podcast and also the author of Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. In this episode, they take a deep dive into some of the key considerations that schools need to take when it comes to instructional coaching.
For this episode, Zach’s four items were:
Schools need an instructional focus for coaching to be successful.
Coaching is not only about teaching techniques, but also about fostering teacher judgement.
Relationships with teachers should not overshadow the goal of coaching
Coaching cycles and drop ins don’t need to take all that long
Brendan’s four points were:
Coaches need to shrink the change
Coaching should feel like a development process, rather than a judgemental one
Participants need to own the problem
Get granular with goal setting
Resources mentioned:
Steplab
Josh Goodrich - Responsive Coaching
Teach Like a Champion
Peps Mccrea
Jim Knight
Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli - Teaching Walkthrus
You can connect with Zach:
Twitter: @mrzachg
Podcast: Progressively Incorrect
Website: educationrickshaw.com
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net
Implementing the Science of Learning - For School Leaders
10% off Discount code: MATESRATES
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast

Oct 12, 2024 • 1h 9min
S02E19 - Professor Nancy Jordan on Number Sense, Early Numeracy Screeners and Fractions
In this episode, Brendan Lee speaks with Professor Nancy Jordan. She has been at the forefront of all things to do with early numeracy research including looking at screeners and intervention. Many of you come from the science of reading world and are fans of Scarborough’s Reading Rope, Nancy and colleagues have put together a Number Sense one! I’ve popped the citation in the show notes.
Throughout this conversation she delves into what number sense is, why it’s important, how we can develop it and how to assess it. Nancy also covers the role of manipulatives and the transition to understanding fractions.
Resources mentioned:
SENS: Screener for Early Number Sense
Number Sense Interventions
Jordan, N. C., Devlin, B. L., & Botello, M. (2022). Core foundations of early mathematics: refining the number sense framework. Current Opinion in Behavioral Sciences, 46, 101181.
ICME
Ginsburg, Greenes, & Balfanz - Big Math for Little Kids
Bob Siegler
Nora Newcomb
Chelsea Cutting.
What Works Clearinghouse
You can connect with Nancy:
Twitter: @Dr_nancyjordan
Email: njordan@udel.edu
Website: https://sites.google.com/a/udel.edu/nancy-jordan/
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast

Sep 28, 2024 • 1h 5min
S02E18 - Rhonda Filmer on Neurodiversity and the Twice-Exceptional Student
In this episode, Brendan Lee speaks with Rhonda Filmer, a gifted education consultant and teacher, she discusses her journey into the field and the importance of understanding neurodiversity and twice exceptional students. She has recently released a book, “Neurodiversity and the Twice-Exceptional Student” and they delve into some of the key points from the book throughout the episode.
Resources mentioned:
Center on the Developing Child - Harvard University
Tom Bennett
Michelle Ronksley-Pavia
Gifted Education Resource Center at New South Wales University
Miraca Gross
SPELD NSW
You can connect with Rhonda:
Linkedin
Book: Neurodiversity and the Twice-Exceptional Student
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast

Sep 14, 2024 • 1h 25min
S02E17 - Brendan Lee and Dr. Zach Groshell on the nuances of teaching effectively
In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers podcast, Brendan Lee and Dr. Zach Groshell (Host of the Progressively Incorrect podcast) collaborated in the first of a series of episodes together. The theme for this episode was around what are the main principles that teachers need to understand about how learning happens and what are the key mechanisms of effective instruction.
Zach’s 4 points were:
Intrinsic motivation is a lofty goal but can't be depended upon.
Use generative learning strategies after building prior knowledge - and without the help of AI.
The environment is not the "Third Teacher" but it can be designed optimally.
We might underestimate how much students appreciate receiving feedback.
Brendan’s 4 points were:
The instructional hierarchy is the single most important thing for teachers to know
Desirable difficulties optimises learning
Attaining and retaining attention is easier said than done
Designing learning is more than just sequencing concepts in small steps
Resources mentioned:
Haring and Eaton’s Instructional Hierarchy
Bjork and Bjork’s Desirable Difficulties
Fiorella and Mayer - Eight Ways to Promote Generative Learning
Stanislas Dehaene - How we learn
Daniel Willingham - Why don’t students like school
Amanda VanDerHeyden
Dylan Wiliam
You can connect with Zach:
Twitter: @mrzachg
Podcast: Progressively Incorrect
Website: educationrickshaw.com
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast
* This was originally published on 15 Sep 2024 with poor sound quality, it was re-published on 20 Sep 2024 with improved sound quality! Hope you enjoy the episode!

Aug 31, 2024 • 1h 16min
S02E16 - Charlotte Peverett on the importance of having high expectations for all students including diverse learners
In this episode, Brendan Lee speaks with Charlotte Peverett, an experienced learning specialist and inclusion outreach coach, who shares her journey into teaching and special education. Charlotte discusses the significance of structures and routines in creating a safe and consistent learning environment. Charlotte also emphasises the importance of high expectations for all students and the role of teachers in preparing them for adulthood and functioning in society. In this conversation, Charlotte and Brendan discuss the importance of positive reinforcement and effective implementation of Multi-Tiered Systems of Support (MTSS) in schools. They also speak the role of leadership in planning and using data to drive improvement.
Resources mentioned:
Tom Bennett
La Trobe University - SOLAR Lab
Sherrington & Caviglioli - Teaching WalkthrusYou can listen to Tom speak about this on episode 5 of the Knowledge for Teachers podcast
Christopher Such - The Art and Science of Teaching Primary ReadingYou can listen to Chris speak about this on episode 17 of the Knowledge for Teachers podcast
Rosenshine’s Principles
You can connect with Charlotte:
Twitter: @lifeoflottie
Facebook: Science of Learning - Special Education Australia
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast
About Charlotte Peverett
Charlotte is an autistic, special education Learning Specialist/Inclusion Outreach Coach in South-West Victoria. Her specialty is literacy and language intervention with a passion to introduce research and evidence-based practices into mainstream and specialist settings. Charlotte has her Master of Education (LIHI) and is a postgraduate research student with the Latrobe University SOLAR Lab and is an Honorary Affiliate member of the Institute of Special Education (InSpEd). Charlotte has presented at numerous conferences and works with schools to change systems and practices to ensure all students are reaching their full potential.

Aug 17, 2024 • 1h 17min
S02E15 - Professor Jonathan Sharples on Implementation in Schools
In this episode, Brendan Lee speaks with Professor Jonathan Sharples from the Education Endowment Foundation. He has led the recent update to the EEF’s A School’s Guide to Implementation and in this conversation we unpack the paper. Professor Sharples details the updates and why they were made. He also digs into each of the key elements. As Jonathan highlights, how something is done is as important as what is done and throughout this episode, he provides a number of practical strategies that schools can follow.
Resources mentioned:
Education Endowment Foundation: A School’s Guide to Implementation - https://educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/education-evidence/guidance-reports/implementation
Making Best Use of Teaching Assistants - https://educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/education-evidence/guidance-reports/teaching-assistants
Darren Moore
Martin Weswell
Research Core Network
Active Implementation Hub
National Implementation Research Network
Robin Mildon
Centre for Evidence and Implementation
You can connect with Jonathan:
Twitter: @Sharples_J
Website: educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast

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Aug 3, 2024 • 1h 4min
S02E14 - Professor Bethany Rittle-Johnson on conceptual and procedural knowledge in mathematics
Bethany Rittle-Johnson, a professor of psychology at Vanderbilt University, specializes in how people learn, particularly in math. She explores the balance between conceptual and procedural knowledge, advocating for strategies like worked examples and self-explanations. Bethany emphasizes the importance of recognizing children's innovative problem-solving methods and the need for challenging approaches to enhance engagement. She also discusses using generative AI to address misconceptions and the critical role of comparisons in deepening understanding in math education.