

The Art of Network Engineering
Andy and Jeff
The Art of Network Engineering blends technical insight with real-world stories from engineers, innovators, and IT pros. From data centers on cruise ships to rockets in space, we explore the people, tools, and trends shaping the future of networking, while keeping it authentic, practical, and human.We tell the human stories behind network engineering so every engineer feels seen, supported, and inspired to grow in a rapidly changing industry.For more information, check out https://linktr.ee/artofneteng
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Aug 27, 2025 • 1h 9min
Tom Lawrence: Building a Tech Empire by Leading with Value
Tom Lawrence, a tech polymath and the face behind Lawrence Systems and a popular YouTube channel, shares his inspiring journey from farm kid to MSP owner. He discusses leading with value, emphasizing that genuine help truly resonates with people. Tom dives into cybersecurity, advocating for self-hosting AI for privacy. He offers practical advice on professional boundaries and critiques conventional marketing. His insights on community engagement through open-source integrations and humorous video content showcase his dedication to knowledge sharing in tech.

Aug 13, 2025 • 1h 8min
The Art of Pushing Packets, with Ethan Banks
Ethan Banks, co-founder of Packet Pushers and a veteran in networking, shares his insightful journey through the evolution of network engineering. He reminisces about the chaotic mix of protocols in the mid-90s and how the industry has transformed towards modern needs. Ethan discusses the challenges of starting a podcast while working full-time, emphasizing the importance of community in supporting isolation among engineers. He also highlights the necessity for contemporary engineers to deepen their skills in cloud tech, cybersecurity, and automation.

Jul 30, 2025 • 50min
AONE Behind The Scenes
Send us a textEver wondered what really happens behind the scenes of a tech podcast? From planning to publishing, this episode lifts the veil on the entire content creation process that powers The Art of Network Engineering.The journey begins with planning—far from simply hitting record and talking, successful episodes require thoughtful topic selection, guest coordination, and scheduling. We reveal how project management tools like Asana help organize our workflow, and share how AI assists with generating fresh topics after 170+ episodes. You'll discover the exact hardware setup we use, from professional microphones to lighting equipment, and learn which recording platforms deliver the best results for remote guests.Post-production might seem intimidating, but we break down our approach to editing, sharing both premium solutions like Adobe Premiere Pro and free alternatives like DaVinci Resolve. You'll learn about specialized tools that automatically remove silence and enhance audio quality, dramatically reducing editing time while improving listener experience. We also discuss the importance of visually appealing thumbnails and how Canva makes graphic design accessible to non-designers.Most importantly, we emphasize why creating content matters for your career. As Jeff shares, his early "Tech Tip Tuesday" videos helped him land his first IT job despite lacking traditional experience. Whether you're establishing credibility, demonstrating communication skills, or building community, content creation provides unique opportunities to advance professionally. The best part? You don't need expensive equipment or years of experience to begin—just start with what you have and allow yourself to grow.Ready to launch your own content journey? Connect with us on Discord, LinkedIn or other social platforms—we're always happy to help fellow creators get started!You can support the show at https://www.buzzsprout.com/2127872/support or from the "Support The Show" link at https://linktr.ee/artofneteng. Thanks for listening and for your continued support :) This episode has been sponsored by Meter.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

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Jul 16, 2025 • 1h 7min
Rocket Networks Reach For The Stars
Lexi Cooper, a Network Integration Engineer at Blue Origin, shares her inspiring journey from disliking her previous job to pioneering rocket networking. She discusses the emotional thrill of watching her work launch into orbit and the unique engineering challenges of aerospace, such as weight constraints and radiation testing. Lexi emphasizes mastering networking fundamentals and the importance of community support in career growth. With her story, she proves that passion and curiosity can take you to extraordinary heights, even beyond Earth.

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Jul 2, 2025 • 30min
Tech Tidying: Sanity Saving Apps
Drowning in digital clutter? Discover how productivity tools like Asana's Kanban boards can streamline workflows and bring clarity to chaotic tasks. Explore the differences between traditional tools like OneNote and modern Markdown systems such as Obsidian for efficient knowledge management. Visual thinkers will love mind mapping, which transforms linear documentation into spatial relationships for tackling complex problems. Plus, learn about simplifying task management with Microsoft To-Do to declutter your day-to-day routine.

Jun 18, 2025 • 44min
LAN Ho! Navigating Cruise Ship Networking
Send us a textBeyond the sundecks and buffet lines lies a technological marvel most cruise passengers never consider - the complex network infrastructure keeping these floating cities connected and operational. In this fascinating conversation with Will Robbins, we dive deep into the unique challenges and solutions of maritime networking that blend hospitality technology with critical operational systems.Have you ever wondered how thousands of cruisers can simultaneously post vacation photos from the middle of the ocean? Modern cruise ships deploy an impressive array of connectivity solutions - up to 15 separate connections including both traditional satellites and multiple Starlink antennas working in concert. This connectivity ballet must account for both the ship and satellites being in constant motion while managing variable weather conditions. The reduced latency of Starlink connections (150-250ms versus 500ms) has revolutionized the passenger experience, enabling video calls and remote work capabilities that were previously impossible.What surprises most network professionals is the scale of onboard infrastructure. Each vessel houses a complete data center with 10-15 racks of equipment supporting everything from guest services to critical ship operations. These floating data centers must function independently since cloud-based applications would be unreliable with satellite connections. Adding to the complexity, the all-metal construction creates wireless challenges requiring thousands of access points while radar systems limit available wireless frequencies. The conversation explores security considerations unique to maritime environments, including the practice of using different networking vendors across ships to prevent fleet-wide vulnerabilities. We also examine how these networks prioritize traffic, with casino operations receiving highest priority as major revenue generators. Whether you're a networking professional curious about specialized environments or a cruise enthusiast wondering how your vacation technology works, this episode offers rare insights into the engineering behind modern maritime adventures. Ready to see cruise ships through entirely new eyes?You can support the show at https://www.buzzsprout.com/2127872/support or from the "Support The Show" link at https://linktr.ee/artofneteng. Thanks for listening and for your continued support :) This episode has been sponsored by Meter.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

Jun 4, 2025 • 57min
Whiteboard Wednesday - AI in Action
Jeff Clark, a security professional at Fortinet and AI enthusiast, presents a captivating look into how AI is revolutionizing network engineering. He showcases tools like Google's Notebook LM, which creates mind maps, and demonstrates AI capabilities that streamline network configurations for Fortinet devices. The conversation touches on Andy's journey from AI skeptic to enthusiast using AI for SaaS development. Ethical dilemmas and security concerns are also explored, emphasizing the importance of safe AI practices in today's tech landscape.

May 21, 2025 • 1h
The Unicorn Network Engineer
Send us a textThe networking industry stands at a crossroads where traditional command-line mastery meets modern automation requirements. Few professionals embody this intersection better than Muna Chimso, a Network Automation Engineer at Google who joins us to share his remarkable journey and insights.Muna's story begins in Nigeria, where fixing his mother's phone sparked an early interest in technology. After moving to the United States in 2018 to study Computer Networking and IT, he made a critical observation that would shape his career path: while he loved networking fundamentals, the job market increasingly demanded coding skills even for networking positions. Rather than choosing between his passion for networking and the industry's direction toward software, Muna embraced both, building a rare and valuable skill set that combines deep networking knowledge with programming expertise.What makes Muna's perspective particularly valuable is his unique vantage point as a young professional who entered the field with fresh eyes. He shares how Google's Network Residency Program brings new graduates into the networking world, addressing the challenge of attracting young talent to a field often overshadowed by pure software engineering roles. We explore the evolving relationship between network engineers and developers, with fascinating insights into how companies are bridging this gap, from pairing traditional engineers with developers to incentivizing networking professionals to learn coding through bonuses and recognition programs.The conversation takes a thought-provoking turn when Muna suggests that the future of network engineering isn't about memorizing commands but understanding complex systems at scale. "You won't need to type a BGP command anymore," he notes, highlighting how the value of network professionals is shifting from configuration expertise to systems thinking and problem-solving abilities. While automation and AI handle increasingly complex tasks, the human element remains irreplaceable for understanding business problems and designing appropriate solutions.Whether you're a seasoned network veteran considering how to evolve your skills, a student wondering which path to pursue, or a technology leader building teams for the future, this episode offers invaluable insights into the convergence of networking and software development. Subscribe now and join our community at linktree.com/artofneteng to continue the conversation!You can support the show at https://www.buzzsprout.com/2127872/support or from the "Support The Show" link at https://linktr.ee/artofneteng. Thanks for listening and for your continued support :) This episode has been sponsored by Meter.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

May 7, 2025 • 51min
The Consulting Engineer Role
Send us a textConsulting Engineers (CEs) at networking vendors blend deep technical expertise with customer-facing skills to bridge the gap between account managers and specialized solution design. They operate as specialists who support Sales Engineers when customer requirements demand deeper technical knowledge.• CEs often join from traditional network engineering backgrounds or increasingly through vendor graduate programs• The role provides higher impact by influencing entire industries rather than just one company• CE positions typically offer better compensation than operational networking roles• Computer science education rarely covers networking fundamentals, creating an industry knowledge gap• The autonomy of the CE role allows for continuous learning and specialization while maintaining customer contact• Working at a vendor provides exposure to bleeding-edge technology and broader industry perspectives• Soft skills are equally important as technical skills for success in consulting engineeringIf you're interested in transitioning to a Consulting Engineer role, develop your soft skills and build relationships in the networking community, as these connections are invaluable. Reach Colin Doyle and Jared Cordova on LinkedIn to learn more about consulting engineering opportunities.You can support the show at https://www.buzzsprout.com/2127872/support or from the "Support The Show" link at https://linktr.ee/artofneteng. Thanks for listening and for your continued support :) This episode has been sponsored by Meter.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

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Apr 23, 2025 • 60min
Developers vs. Network Engineers
Send us a textThe divide between network engineers and developers has long been a source of frustration, misunderstanding, and blame in the tech world. When applications fail, the classic refrain "it's the network" often echoes through organizations, leaving network engineers scrambling to prove their innocence while developers remain convinced of their code's perfection.In this enlightening conversation, former Cisco developer advocate Erika Dietrick joins hosts Andy Lapteff and Jeff Clark to unpack the root causes of this technological rift. Erika offers a rare dual perspective, having worked both as a software engineer and in Cisco's Technical Assistance Center (TAC). She explains how educational paths create fundamentally different mindsets: "Developers learn to code, period. We do not learn how our computer works. We do not learn how the network works."Andy shares his personal struggles with learning automation, admitting to starting and quitting "every Python class on planet Earth." This prompts Erika's most valuable insight – that learning to "think like a developer" matters more than syntax or commands. The conversation explores how network engineers often find themselves drowning in daily operational tasks while being expected to add coding skills "for no more money," creating resistance to automation despite its potential benefits.The discussion takes unexpected turns through topics like cultural differences between teams, the challenges of breaking technical silos, and how AI might actually help bridge these gaps without replacing human expertise. Erika outlines her upcoming free course designed specifically for network engineers learning to code with AI – addressing the exact educational gap that has frustrated network professionals for years.Whether you identify more with Andy's automation struggles or Jeff's enthusiasm for Python scripting, this episode offers practical perspectives on healing the developer-networker divide. Subscribe to Erika's Youtube channel here: here:https://www.youtube.com/@erika_thedevSubscribe to our podcast for more conversations that tackle the human side of technology and join our Discord community at linktr.ee/artofneteng.You can support the show at https://www.buzzsprout.com/2127872/support or from the "Support The Show" link at https://linktr.ee/artofneteng. Thanks for listening and for your continued support :) This episode has been sponsored by Meter.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng