
The CGAI Podcast Network
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Latest episodes

Jan 27, 2025 • 1h 8min
Energy Security Cubed: Exploring Better Alternatives to Energy Export Restrictions with Trevor Tombe
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Trevor Tombe about his recent article for The Hub, "Premier Smith is right that restricting oil exports is a bad idea. Here’s a better option": https://thehub.ca/2025/01/22/trevor-tombe-premier-smith-is-right-that-restricting-oil-exports-is-a-bad-idea-heres-a-better-option/
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For the intro, Kelly and Joe unpack some articles from leading pro-tariff thinkers influencing the Trump Administration.
- Miran: https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/documents/FG/hudsonbay/research/638199_A_Users_Guide_to_Restructuring_the_Global_Trading_System.pdf
- Bessent: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/scott-bessent-talk-tariffs-its-time-revitalize-alexander-hamiltons-favorite-tool
- Pettis: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/how-tariffs-can-help-america
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Guest Bio:
- Trevor Tombe is a Professor at the University of Calgary's Department of Economics and the Director of Fiscal and Economic Policy at The School of Public Policy
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Dominion: The Railway and the Rise of Canada", by Stephen Bown: https://www.amazon.ca/Dominion-Railway-Canada-Stephen-Bown/dp/0385698720
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Interview recording Date: January 27, 2025
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 24, 2025 • 55min
The Global Exchange: Dealing with Trump 2.0
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Hon. Perrin Beatty, Meredith Lilly, and Hon. Gary Mar about Canada-US relations in the wake of the Inauguration and the triumphalist return to presidential power of Donald Trump.
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Participants' bios
- Perrin Beatty is co-chair of the Carlton and CGAI sponsored Canada-US export group on Canada-Us relations. Most recently, he serves as the President and CEO of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce
- Meredith Lilly is Professor and Simon Reisman Chair at Carleton University’s Norman Paterson School of International Affairs. She previously served as International Trade Advisor to Prime Minister Harper
- Gary Mar is President and CEO of the Canada West Foundation. A member of the Alberta legislature he held various cabinet portfolios. He later served as Alberta’s Representative in Washington and then in Hong Kong and then returned to the private sector
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
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Reading Recommendations:
- "Dead Wake: The Last Crossing of the Lusitania", by Erik Larson: https://www.amazon.ca/Dead-Wake-Last-Crossing-Lusitania/dp/0307408876
- "A Gentleman in Moscow": https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8230448/
- "Curse of Politics: The Herle Burly Political Panel": https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/curse-of-politics-the-herle-burly-political-panel/id1579125546
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Recording Date: January 24, 2025.

Jan 24, 2025 • 39min
Defence Deconstructed: Driving Innovation within NATO
On this Triple Helix edition of the podcast, David Perry talks to James Appathurai about NATO’s innovation efforts and the work done on emerging and disruptive technologies.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Guest:
- James Appathurai is NATO’s Deputy Assistant Secretary General Innovation, Hybrid, Cyber.
Host:
- David Perry is the President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
Recorded on January, 24, 2025
Music by Drew Phillips. Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine.

Jan 23, 2025 • 51min
Energy Security Cubed: The Trump Administration in the Middle East, with Greg Brew
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Greg Brew about the Trump Administration's possible stance toward Iran and the wider Middle East.
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For the intro, Kelly and Joe unpack the implications of the Trump administration for the Inflation Reduction Act and Canada's EV factories.
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Guest Bio:
- Greg Brew is a CGAI Fellow, an analyst with Eurasia Group's Energy, Climate & Resources team focusing on the geopolitics of oil and gas, and Eurasia Group's country analyst for Iran.
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "The Great Transformation: China’s Road from Revolution to Reform" - https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300267082/the-great-transformation/
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Interview recording Date: January 15, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 19, 2025 • 1h 3min
The Global Exchange: Canadian Foreign Policy Experts react to Trump's Second Inauguration
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson moderates a panel of prominent experts on their first takeaways from the Inauguration and considerations for how Canada should respond to the coming storm.
Participants' bios
- Martha Hall Findlay is the Director and Palmer Chair, of the School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary.
- Glenn Williamson is the Founder and Chief Executive Officer of the Canada Arizona Business Council
- Bernard Etzinger is a former Canadian diplomat with assignments in New York, Silicon Valley and Washington, DC
- John Parisella is a Senior Advisor, Business Outreach at NATIONAL Public Relations and a former delegate general in New York City and Washington D.C. for the Government of Quebec
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Permacrisis: A Plan to Fix a Fractured World" - https://www.amazon.ca/Permacrisis-Plan-Fix-Fractured-World/dp/1398525618
- "The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization" - https://www.amazon.ca/End-World-Just-Beginning-Globalization/dp/006323047X
- "Autocracy, Inc." - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/725302/autocracy-inc-by-anne-applebaum/
- "Good To Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap...And Others Don't" https://www.amazon.ca/Good-Great-Some-Companies-Others/dp/0066620996
- "Pod Save America" - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pod-save-america/id1192761536
- "Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity, and Poverty",
https://www.amazon.ca/Why-Nations-Fail-Origins-Prosperity/dp/0307719227
- "Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the Present" https://www.amazon.ca/Age-Revolutions-Progress-Backlash-Present/dp/0393239233
- "An Unfinished Love Story: A Personal History of the 1960s", https://www.amazon.ca/Unfinished-Love-Story-Personal-History/dp/1982108665
- "The Situation Room: The Inside Story of Presidents in Crisis" - https://www.amazon.ca/Situation-Room-Inside-Presidents-Crisis/dp/1538740761
- "Ebola, Bombs, and Migrants by Dr. Joanne Liu" -
https://www.mcgill.ca/global-public-health/channels/event/book-launch-ebola-bombs-and-migrants-dr-joanne-liu-361139
- "In the Garden of Beasts: Love, Terror, and an American Family in Hitler's Berlin", https://www.amazon.ca/Garden-Beasts-Terror-American-Hitlers-ebook/dp/B004HFRJM6
- "Confronting Illiberalism: A Canadian Perspective" https://utorontopress.com/9781487561161/confronting-illiberalism/?srsltid=AfmBOop5wA_jcssCn6KE2O7qo1-kUp4aSX_9FvDwqcNwnsk554B1Wnz7
Recording Date: January 20, 2025.

Jan 17, 2025 • 47min
Defence Deconstructed: Deterring North Korean Cyber Attacks & Procuring for the CAF.
In this week’s episode of the Defence Deconstructed Podcast, David Perry interviews Dr. Julie Kim to discuss North Korean cyber programs.
Julie dives into the vast impact of North Korean cyber programs on a global scale, emphasising their scope, response policies from affected countries and Canada’s position in it all. Then, you’ll hear Lieutenant-General Steve Kelsey, Vice Chief of the Defence Staff, address our audience at our 2024 Procurement Conference. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics and Hanwha Defence and Ocean, and our conference sponsors the Business Council of Canada, Raytheon, L3Harris Technologies, the Royal Norwegian Embassy to Canada, Amazon Web Services, Davie, and CAE.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guest:
Dr. Julie Kim is a Post-Doctoral Fellow leading the Korea Program at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
LGen Steve Kelsey is the Vice Chief of the Defence Staff.
Hosts:
David Perry is the President and CEO Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
Music Credit: Drew Phillips
Producer: Charlotte Duval-Lantoine

Jan 16, 2025 • 46min
Energy Security Cubed: How Canada should Respond to US Energy Tariffs with Kent Fellows
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Kent Fellows about the looming prospect of US tariffs on Canadian energy, the options for a Canadian response, and a novel idea for a way to engage with this threat.
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Guest Bio:
- Kent Fellows is am Assistant Professor of Economics and the Director of Graduate Programs for the School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Landman" on Paramount Plus: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14186672/
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Interview recording Date: January 16, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 15, 2025 • 1h 17min
Energy Security Cubed: What will be Justin Trudeau's Energy Legacy? Ft. Monica Gattinger
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Monica Gattinger about the energy and environmental policies crafted by the nine years of the Trudeau government, and what we can expect to last into the future.
You can find Monica's dissertation here: https://repository.library.carleton.ca/concern/etds/41687h88c
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For the intro, Kelly and Joe give an update on Trump's potential tariffs on energy and the Biden Administration's closing shots at Russian energy.
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Guest Bio:
- Monica Gattinger is the Founder and Chair of Positive Energy at the University of Ottawa, and a Fellow with the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.
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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
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Reading recommendations:
- "Station Eleven: A Novel", by Emily St. John Mandel: https://www.amazon.ca/Station-Eleven-Emily-John-Mandel/dp/0804172447
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Interview recording Date: January 9, 2024
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Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 10, 2025 • 60min
Defence Deconstructed: Developing a Canadian Defence Industrial Strategy
On today’s episode of Defence Deconstructed, Jeff Tasseron discusses the imperative and the pathway for the creation of a Canadian defence industrial strategy with Wendy Hadwen, William Henagan, Trevor Neiman, and Craig Stone.
This episode is a recording from our Procurement conference, which took place on November 25, 2024 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics and Hanwha Defence and Ocean, and our conference sponsors the Business Council of Canada, Raytheon, L3Harris Technologies, the Royal Norwegian Embassy to Canada, Amazon Web Services, Davie, and CAE.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Guests:
Wendy Hadwen is the ADM Defence Industry Policy at the Department of National Defence
Dr. Craig Stone is a CGAI Fellow and a Professor Emerita at the Canadian Forces College
Trevor Neiman is Vice President Policy and Legal Counsel for the Business Council of Canada
William C. Henagan is the Director for International Economics at the US National Security Council.
Jeff Tasseron is Director of Business Development & Strategy at CAE D&S Canada and a CGAI Fellow.
Host
David Perry is the CEO and President of CGAI.
Music: Drew Phillips. Producer: Charlotte Duval-Lantoine

Jan 10, 2025 • 49min
The Global Exchange: Canada First, not Canada Alone ft. Adam Chapnick
For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Adam Chapnick about the lessons from his recent book, coauthored with Asa McKercher, Canada First, Not Canada Alone: A History of Canadian Foreign Policy. You can find his book here: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/canada-first-not-canada-alone-9780197653715?cc=ca&lang=en&
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Participants' bios
- Adam Chapnick is Professor of Defence Studies at the Canadian Forces College and the Royal Military College of Canada.
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Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //
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Reading Recommendations:
- "Canada’s Prime Ministers and the Shaping of a National Identity", by Raymond B. Blake: https://www.ubcpress.ca/canadas-prime-ministers-and-the-shaping-of-a-national-identity
- "Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis", by J.D. Vance: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/hillbilly-elegy-j-d-vance?variant=40999190167586
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Recording Date: December 17, 2024.