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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Episodes
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Sep 23, 2022 • 44min
Defence Deconstructed: The Future of Canadian Deterrence
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Prof. Alex Wilner and Col (ret'd) Al Stephenson about the future of deterrence in Canada.
This episode of Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and Davie Shipyard.
Participants Bios:
Alex Wilner is a Professor at the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs, Carleton University – https://www.alexwilner.ca/
Col (ret'd) Al Stephenson is a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/al_stephenson
Host bio:
David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/staff#Perry
Read:
"The Many Shades of Deterrence" by Alex Wilner – https://www.cgai.ca/the_many_shades_of_canadian_deterrence
"When Deterrence Fails: Is NORAD Enough?" by Al Stephenson – https://www.cgai.ca/when_deterrence_fails_is_norad_enough
Cross-Domain Deterrence by Jon R. Lindsay and Erik Gartzke – https://munkschool.utoronto.ca/research-articles/cross-domain-deterrence/
Call Sign Chaos by Jin Mattis and Bing West – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/240358/call-sign-chaos-by-jim-mattis-and-bing-west/
The Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan – https://us.macmillan.com/series/wheeloftime
Deterrence by Denial: Theory and Practice by Alex Wilner and Andreas Wenger – https://www.cambriapress.com/pub.cfm?bid=786
Recording Date: 21 Sep 2022
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Sep 22, 2022 • 40min
Energy Security Cubed: Mexico's Role in North American Energy Security with Leonardo Beltran
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss current events in energy security, including Russia's decision to mobilize reserves for its invasion of Ukraine, energy infrastructure permitting legislation in the US, and the labour force constraints of the energy transition.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Leonardo Beltran about the past, present, and future of Mexico's contribution to the integrated North American energy system.
Guest Bio:
- Leonardo Beltran is a Distinguished Visiting Fellow at Columbia University´s Center for Global Energy Policy
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
What is Leonardo reading?
- Good for You, Great for Me: Finding the Trading Zone and Winning at Win-Win Negotiation, by Lawrence Susskind
https://www.amazon.ca/Good-You-Great-Me-Negotiation/dp/1610394259
Interview recording Date: September 20, 2022.
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 19, 2022 • 59min
The Global Exchange: Is War Over Taiwan Coming?
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson discusses recent worries about a war over Taiwan with Charles Parton and Ted Lipman
Participants Biographies
Charles Parton is a Senior Associate Fellow at the Royal United Services Institute – https://rusi.org/people/parton-obe
Ted Lipman is a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/ted_lipman
Host Biography
Colin Robertson is a Senior Adviser and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read and Listen:
"Taiwan: Invasion is not likely, but deterrence remains vital" by Charles Parton – https://www.geostrategy.org.uk/research/taiwan-invasion-is-not-likely-but-deterrence-remains-vital/
"Taïwan : une invasion est peu probable, mais la dissuasion reste vitale" par Charles Parton – https://ras-nsa.ca/fr/taiwan-une-invasion-est-peu-probable-mais-la-dissuasion-reste-vitale/
"Understanding China's Psychology" feat. Charles Parton and Ted Lipman – https://www.cgai.ca/understanding_chinas_psychology
Paris to the Moon by Adam Gopnik – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/69477/paris-to-the-moon-by-adam-gopnik/
The Hong Kong Diaries by Chris Patten – https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/447585/the-hong-kong-diaries-by-patten-chris/9780241560495
Colin Robertson's review of the Hong Kong Diaries – https://www.policymagazine.ca/pattens-hong-kong-diaries-an-engaging-stroll-through-the-handover-snake-pit/
Recording Date: 6 September 2022.
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 16, 2022 • 47min
Defence Deconstructed: Finland and Sweden Accessing NATO
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Dave Perry speaks to H.E. Roy Eriksson and H.E. Urban Ahlin about Finland and Sweden's accession to NATO.
This episode of Defence Deconstructed is a recording from a roundtable made possible by Saab Canada Inc.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and Davie Shipyard
Guests:
H.E. Roy Eriksson is Ambassador of Finland to Canada
H.E. Urban Ahlin is Ambassador of Sweden to Canada
Host
David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
For the readout of the roundtable, read this piece from Canadian Defence Review's James Careless: http://www.canadiandefencereview.com/news?news/3493
Recording Date: 13 September 2022
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Sep 15, 2022 • 35min
Energy Security Cubed: Russia's Energy Miscalculation with Robert Johnston
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss current events in energy security, including Nigerian oil theft and India's plans for power generation.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Robert Johnston about Russia's place in the global energy system post-sanctions.
Guest Bio:
- Robert (RJ) Johnston is the Executive Director of Columbia University's SIPA Center on Global Energy Policy
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
What is Robert reading?
- The Company: The Rise and Fall of the Hudson's Bay Empire, by Stephen Bown
Interview recording Date: September 12, 2022.
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 12, 2022 • 39min
The Global Exchange: Unpacking the CPC Leadership Race
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson talks to Ian Brodie about the 2022 Conservative Leadership race and Pierre Poilievre's victory.
Guest bio:
Dr. Ian Brodie is a Professor at the University of Calgary, and just recently served as the Chair of the Conservative Party's Leadership Election Organizing Committee
Host Bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and a Senior Adviser at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Read, Listen, Watch:
Pierre Poilievre's Victory Speech: https://www.cpac.ca/program?id=5
At the Centre of Government by Ian Brodie – https://www.mqup.ca/at-the-centre-of-government-products-9780773552906.php
Longmire Novels by Craig Johnson – https://www.craigallenjohnson.com/novels.htm
There's Nothing for You Here by Fiona Hill – https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/there-is-nothing-for-you/9780358574316-item.html
The Hong Kong Diaries by Lord Christopher Patten – https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/447585/the-hong-kong-diaries-by-patten-chris/9780241560495
Recording Date: 12 September 2022.
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 9, 2022 • 31min
Defence Deconstructed: Mapping U.S. Defence Innovation
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Dave Perry speaks to Alessandra Jenkins about defence innovation programs in the U.S.
This podcast is part of a Department of National Defence’s MINDS project awarded to Avascent, for which CGAI is a partner.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and Davie Shipyard.
Participants' bios
Alessandra Jenkins is Senior Manager at Avascent
Host Bio
Dave Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Watch the video: https://youtu.be/2zFiE_oEyF0
Listen to a previous episode on Fostering Defence Innovation, based on Avascent's research: https://www.cgai.ca/fostering_defence_innovation
What Alessandra is reading
The Diamond Eye by Kate Quinn – https://www.katequinnauthor.com/books/the-diamond-eye/
Recording Date: 9 Sep 2022
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Sep 8, 2022 • 55min
Energy Security Cubed: Troublesome Electricity Markets with Reiner Kuhr
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss current events in energy security, including the Chilean constitutional referendum, the planned Russian oil price cap, and Liz Truss' plan to support households on energy in the UK.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly Ogle talks with Reiner Kuhr about electricity market design, and its implications for attempts to decarbonize the grid.
Guest Bio:
- Reiner Kuhr is Energy Technology Economist at Center for Academic Collaboration Initiatives. Find CACI here: https://centeraci.com/
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
What is Reiner reading?
Shorting the Grid, by Meredith Angwin: https://www.amazon.com/Shorting-Grid-Hidden-Fragility-Electric/dp/1735358002
Interview recording Date: August 17, 2022.
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 5, 2022 • 45min
The Global Exchange: Canada-US Relations, A State of the Union
On this episode of the Global Exchange, Sarah Goldfeder talk to former Ambassadors to the US David MacNaughton, Gary Doer, Frank McKenna, and former Quebec Representative to the US John Parisella about the state of Canada-US relations
This episode is an extract from our conference "After the War: What Kind of World for Canada?" which happened on May 10th, 2022. This event was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Davie Shipyard, and of our Bronze conference sponsors, Enbridge and TD.
Participants' bios
The Honourable Frank McKenna is former Premier of New Brunswick, former Canadian Ambassador to the U.S. and currently an executive with TD Securities https://www.tdsecurities.com/ca/en/frank-mckenna-biography
David MacNaughton is a former Canadian Ambassador to the U.S. and now serves on CGAI’s Advisory Council https://www.cgai.ca/advisory_council#DavidMacNaughton
Gary Doer is former Premier of Manitoba, a former Canadian Ambassador to the U.S., and now serves on CGAI’s Advisory Council https://www.cgai.ca/advisory_council#GaryDoer
John Parisella was Quebec’s Delegate General in New York – Washington from 2009 to 2012. He is now a CGAI Fellow. https://www.cgai.ca/john_parisella
Hosts bios
Sarah Goldfeder is a government relations and strategic policy professional with experience in both government and the private sector, and a CGAI fellow. https://www.cgai.ca/sarah_goldfeder
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat, and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Recording Date: 10 May 2022.
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Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 2, 2022 • 43min
Defence Deconstructed: Building Canada's Cyber Defence
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Dave Perry speaks to Alexander Rudolph about the state of cyber defence in Canada.
We open the episode with some stock taking on the past two weeks of news relevant to Canadian defence.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and Davie Shipyard.
Participants' bios
Alexander Rudolph is a PhD candidate at Carleton University and a CGAI Fellow
Host Bio
Dave Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
What Alex is reading
No Shortcuts by Max Smeets – https://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/no-shortcuts/
Offensive Cyber Operations by Daniel Moore – https://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/offensive-cyber-operations/
Recording Date: 2 Sep 2022
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips